Have we learnt anything from the Maddie case?

[slartibartfast]

What or who is Brill Building? lol

If you select Brill Building, copy and paste it into google, it will will tell you lots of useful information.

[Alice Purjorick]

We don't know if they are admissable and we don't know how reliable they are...

How does that materially effect the principle of the judgement by the appeal court?

[Alice Purjorick]

What or who is Brill Building? lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brill_Building

[Mr Gray]

How does that materially effect the principle of the judgement by the appeal court?

It doesn't....it affects my opinion on Angelos theory

[sadie]

He was the McCann's lawyer, Duarte's deputy.  He concentrated on trying to suggest that the PJ got it wrong. How that was supposed to descredit Amaral's book, which described the PJ investigation goodness knows. What he should have been concentrating on was demonstrating a causal link from the book to the McCann's feelings. As Amaral's lawyer said;

vague allegations from the couple and no evidence of any effect being caused by the book.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5786.0

That's why the judge was able to rule in the McCanns favour only by deciding that Amaral broke the rules governing his position as a retired policeman.

I don't know what you mean about the judge finding 'for The Mccanns in the previous case'. What previous case? This is the McCann's lawyer's closing speech in the only case on which this judge ruled, as far as I know.

Your interest in bloodlines isn't shared by others, Sadie, and the influence you think they exert is just speculation in my opinion.

What a shame !  Others with a more important role have shown interest.

What a lot is being missed by so many who can only think vertically.

[Carana]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brill_Building

I'm still none the wiser. I guess it wasn't a compliment, but that's ok. ;)

I added a reference for you to my previous post.

[Alice Purjorick]

I'm still none the wiser. I guess it wasn't a compliment, but that's ok. ;)

I added a reference for you to my previous post.

The Brill Building was a place where lyricists sat like battery hens churning out pop lyrics. People such as Carole King, Gerry Goffin, Neil Sedaka. Every time I see particular expressions repeated by all and sundry I think of the Brill Building :)
Or if you prefer a religious kick try Amos 3.3 it expresses a similar sentiment.

I'll look at the ref later.

[sadie]

He was the McCann's lawyer, Duarte's deputy.  He concentrated on trying to suggest that the PJ got it wrong. How that was supposed to descredit Amaral's book, which described the PJ investigation goodness knows. What he should have been concentrating on was demonstrating a causal link from the book to the McCann's feelings. As Amaral's lawyer said;

vague allegations from the couple and no evidence of any effect being caused by the book.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5786.0

That's why the judge was able to rule in the McCanns favour only by deciding that Amaral broke the rules governing his position as a retired policeman.

I don't know what you mean about the judge finding 'for The Mccanns in the previous case'. What previous case? This is the McCann's lawyer's closing speech in the only case on which this judge ruled, as far as I know.

Your interest in bloodlines isn't shared by others, Sadie, and the influence you think they exert is just speculation in my opinion.

Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro was the judge for the  Libel Trial starting 12 September 2013 and she cut short the expert Lawyer on the  Eddie and Keelas findings and what they meant.  In her summing up she ignored what he said and stated that Cadavar Odour was found in the appartment and in the car .... so backed Amaral in his misconceptions.

She had stopped the Mccann lawyer from putting the case about the none findings of Eddie and keela.... and wrongly backed Amaral
 
From looking at the photos posted by Anne Guedes in the Pamalam site it appears that this Judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro, was also the Judge in the Supreme Court.   But that is under contention at the moment, so we cannot be sure of that

I still cannot get into webpages atm, but had the above recorded in my emails.

[Carana]

The Brill Building was a place where lyricists sat like battery hens churning out pop lyrics. People such as Carole King, Gerry Goffin, Neil Sedaka. Every time I see particular expressions repeated by all and sundry I think of the Brill Building :)
Or if you prefer a religious kick try Amos 3.3 it expresses a similar sentiment.

I'll look at the ref later.

Ok, I think I got the gist.

No, I'm quite capable of thinking for myself.

I don't have a problem agreeing - or disagreeing - with anyone on a particular point, whatever their general stance appears to be, if I find the point valid and if I choose to respond.

[Alice Purjorick]

Ok, I think I got the gist.

No, I'm quite capable of thinking for myself.

I don't have a problem agreeing - or disagreeing - with anyone on a particular point, whatever their general stance appears to be, if I find the point valid and if I choose to respond.

Well that was my first take 

[G-Unit]

I am surprised that you didn't know about the previuos case cos you mentioned it in your earlier post today saying that she had ruled in the Mccanns favour.

The Judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro also was the judge for the  Libel Trial starting 12 September 2013 and she cut short the expert Lawyer on the on Eddie and Keelas findings and what they meant.  In her summing up she ignored what he said and stated that Cadavar Odour was found in the appartment and in the car .... so backed Amaral in his misconceptions.

She had stopped the Mccann lawyer from putting the case about the none findings of Eddie and keela.... and wrongly backed Amaral
 

This Judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro, was also the Judge in the Supreme Court, and she got it wrong in this first Court ... JEEZ !


How comw you had forgotten about the first case with this Judge, Gunit, when you mentioned it at least once this evening ?



I still cannot get into webpages atm, but had the above recorded in my emails.

I have been discussing the Libel Trial and nothing but the Libel Trial throughout.

I don't think this Judge was a Supreme Court Judge. Please provide a cite for that claim.

As an aside, a lawyer is a lawyer, why do you refer to the McCann's lawyer as an 'expert'?

[Carana]

Well that was my first take 

I do hope you're not a tabloid editor in your spare time. 

[sadie]

I have been discussing the Libel Trial and nothing but the Libel Trial throughout.

I don't think this Judge was a Supreme Court Judge. Please provide a cite for that claim.

As an aside, a lawyer is a lawyer, why do you refer to the McCann's lawyer as an 'expert'?

Cite herewith. 

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AnneGuedes.htm
Scroll down the page

The Judge :
Maria Emelie de Melo e Castro
Her complete name is Maria Emília Guerreiro de Avillez Melo e Castro.

You will see a smaller version of her image, clearly labelled Judge, amongst the photos of the people involved in the Supreme Court trial (lawyers, interpreters, translators etc)


]Please note:  It appears to me that Maria Emilia Guerrriero de Avillez Meloe Castro is Judge at the Supreme Court from that Webpage and photos, but there is contention about that so i have modified my posts.]


No photograph of the Judge, but image drawn after the first libel trial

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/A/Judge.jpg

[G-Unit]

Cite herewith.  I am surprised with your finger so on the button, that you didn't know this.  Are you sure that you weren't simply wasting my time?

A wind up?


http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AnneGuedes.htm
Scroll down the page

The Supreme Court Judge :
Maria Emelie de Melo e Castro
Her complete name is Maria Emília Guerreiro de Avillez Melo e Castro.

You will see a smaller version of her image, clearly labelled Judge, amongst the photos of the people involved in the Supreme Court trial (lawyers, interpreters, translators etc)


No photograph, but image drawn after the first libel trial

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/A/Judge.jpg

I think that all these images are connected to the Libel Trial, not to the Supreme Court hearing.

Photos: from McCann Libel trial by Anne Guedes
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AnneGuedes.htm

Your cite doesn't say that the judge was a Supreme Court judge.

[sadie]

I think that all these images are connected to the Libel Trial, not to the Supreme Court hearing.

Photos: from McCann Libel trial by Anne Guedes
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AnneGuedes.htm

Your cite doesn't say that the judge was a Supreme Court judge.

There is a block of 13 photogrphs and one drawing (of Judge Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro) on the page I cited.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AnneGuedes.htm


The block of photographs is underneath the section headed Supreme Court 31 Jan 2017 and as it is close to that section, it appears to be of the Lawyers, translators, Judge etc of the Supreme Court.  I believe it to be images of the main legal players in that Supreme Court and not of the lesser Court proceedings some three years previously..

To prove this, I would have to go thru all the court papers .... and as I have no intention of wasting my time doing that ... and neither have I the intention of spreading possibly incorrect info, I am going to modify my posts on this topic.

I will say that Anne Guedes and Pamalam present those photos as being of the legal participants in the Supreme Court trial, and if they are not, they should please take care to alter the presentation.   Because if they are not the legal participants in the Supreme court, they are misleading as they stand