When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.

[Robittybob1]

They wouldn't be difficult to cast in lead Rob.  Given the right coditions of a massive heat availability to melt the iron, they wouldn't be difficult to cast in iron either, then they would last longer, tho they would be very brittle.

''' snip very interesting ....

But I felt you didn't attempt my question "When did they do this?"

[Robittybob1]

There had been two burglaries in the block in the previous weeks.  One successful and one not.  It was thought a key had been used in at least one.

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But there was no sign of forced entry at the second floor apartment and police called to the scene told the middle-aged book-keeper that they believed someone with a key was the most likely suspect, sparking concerns about security at the complex.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/portuguese-police-to-re-examine-burglaries-at-19-0-t956.html

If the means of entry was using a key ... why might they not have had a key to the McCann apartment?

They could have a key to 5A as well, but is it a heist with the intention of committing a theft or was it as Sadie theory targeted at abducting a specific child. 

[Robittybob1]

Yes the supporters are still at the 'it was thought' stage and it was invented by one or more of them to absolve the parents of any responsibility of leaving three children in an unlocked apartment. And to move away from Kate and her  'I knew right away' story which doesn't hold any credibility what so ever. In fact the Police investigating were of the opinion that this was staged for their benefit.

You might be right, but it could also that their opinion got in the way of a decent investigation.  Too much opinion and not enough fact could result in a botched investigation.

[Robittybob1]

'Kate and Gerry would have changed their ideas as to the way that Madeleine vanished'  Yes,indeed. Because when challenged on what they said, which didn't seem to fit properly, they changed their ideas... hmmmmm

So, you call them ideas I call them stories we should just shake hands and accept we do not agree on this particular issue.

But do you have the answers?

[sadie]

But I felt you didn't attempt my question "When did they do this?"

How would I know the answer to that?  It would just be guessing

[Brietta]

They could have a key to 5A as well, but is it a heist with the intention of committing a theft or was it as Sadie theory targeted at abducting a specific child.

I agree with most of Sadie's theory.  In particular I think there was too much activity going on around the McCann apartment in the days leading up to Madeleine's disappearance recalled by witnesses for her abduction not to have been planned.

If it was a heist what were they after?  In my opinion there would be little money left at the end of the holiday and they would know that ... passports? ... a cheap camera?

[sadie]

I agree with most of Sadie's theory.  In particular I think there was too much activity going on around the McCann apartment in the days leading up to Madeleine's disappearance recalled by witnesses for her abduction not to have been planned.

If it was a heist what were they after?  In my opinion there would be little money left at the end of the holiday and they would know that ... passports? ... a cheap camera?

You've got it in one, Brietta.  Too many people witnessed a man/ men watching the apartment in the days before, for it not to have been a planned abduction IMO

[Robittybob1]

How would I know the answer to that?  It would just be guessing

The whole theory is some form of guess isn't it?  So no guessing just theoretically when?

[slartibartfast]

How would I know the answer to that?  It would just be guessing

But all the rest is just guessing?

[Eleanor]

I agree with most of Sadie's theory.  In particular I think there was too much activity going on around the McCann apartment in the days leading up to Madeleine's disappearance recalled by witnesses for her abduction not to have been planned.

If it was a heist what were they after?  In my opinion there would be little money left at the end of the holiday and they would know that ... passports? ... a cheap camera?

Could it have been the appartment that was planned?  there was bound to be a girl child of that age in there at some point.

[slartibartfast]

Could it have been the appartment that was planned?  there was bound to be a girl child of that age in there at some point.

So just keep raiding the apartment until they found a girl of the right age?

[Robittybob1]

Could it have been the appartment that was planned?  there was bound to be a girl child of that age in there at some point.

Sounds like the old fashioned lucky dip.

[Eleanor]

So just keep raiding the apartment until they found a girl of the right age?

No, just keep watching.  Once a week would have done until something turned up.

[jassi]

Sounds like the old fashioned lucky dip.

Certainly doesn't fit with the idea of the 'chosen one'

[Brietta]

Could it have been the appartment that was planned?  there was bound to be a girl child of that age in there at some point.

Out of any of the apartments I am familiar with in the Ocean Club it is one which in my opinion readily lends itself to ease of access and the occupancy of an appropriate child. Just a matter of time and if not Madeleine it would have been someone else.
It was easy to access particularly if a key had been provided ... and it was easy to exit from unobserved.  I think the choice of apartment may well have been a factor.