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Offline Angelo222

Do past events tell their own story?
« on: January 25, 2018, 12:19:02 PM »
There have been a number of official suspects or arguidos in this case including expat Robert Murat, Russian national Sergey Malinka and Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. None of them have come out of this smelling of roses for one reason or another. 

Let me say firstly that it is by no means unusual for the parents of a missing child to attract suspicion since most child abduction cases do involve persons known to the child.  In this case however there are other peripheral events which leave many questions still to be answered. Those events include the refusal by Kate McCann to answer the simplest questions when formally interviewed, the voluntary non participation by the parents and their friends in a reconstruction of the events on the night Maddie disappeared, the savage attack on certain Portuguese police officers and the detective who led the original investigation. Then there was the Oakley International debacle involving fraudster Kevin Halligen which saw a secret Report and e-fits withheld from the public. Add to this the murky business involving the Madeleine Fund and the Spanish private detective agency Metodo 3 and a certain pattern begins to develop.

The Archive Report issued back when the original enquiry was shelved for lack of evidence stated that the parents had "failed to demonstrate their non involvement" and the Portuguese Supreme Court has more recently been forced to make the unprecedented declaration that the parents have not been cleared.

The Madeleine Fund itself has attracted much criticism.  Far from being the transparent Company it was initially set up to be to handle donations from the public, it has morphed into something else with accounts and payments shrouded in secrecy.

Are all these events interrelated or is there more to this than meets the eye?

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« Last Edit: January 28, 2018, 04:49:12 PM by John »
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Offline jassi

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2018, 12:37:57 PM »
There have been a number of official suspects or arguidos in this case including expat Robert Murat, Russian national Sergey Malinka and Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. None of them have come out of this smelling of roses for one reason or another. 

Let me say firstly that it is by no means unusual for the parents of a missing child to attract suspicion since most child abduction cases do involve persons known to the child.  In this case however there are other peripheral events which leave many questions still to be answered. Those events include the refusal by Kate McCann to answer the simplest questions when formally interviewed, the voluntary non participation by the parents and their friends in a reconstruction of the events on the night Maddie disappeared, the savage attack on certain Portuguese police officers and the detective who led the original investigation. Then there was the Oakley International debacle involving fraudster Kevin Halligen which saw a secret Report and e-fits withheld from the public. Add to this the murky business involving the Madeleine Fund and the Spanish private detective agency Metodo 3 and a certain pattern begins to develop.

The Archive Report issued back when the original enquiry was shelved for lack of evidence stated that the parents had "failed to demonstrate their non involvement" and the Portuguese Supreme Court has more recently been forced to make the unprecedented declaration that the parents have not been cleared.

The Madeleine Fund itself has attracted much criticism.  Far from being the transparent Company it was initially set up to be to handle donations from the public, it has morphed into something else with accounts and payments shrouded in secrecy.

Are all these events interrelated or is there more to this than meets the eye?


Only if and when someone else is convicted. IMO
« Last Edit: January 25, 2018, 05:02:47 PM by John »
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2018, 12:38:44 PM »
No. IMO their efforts to minimise blame have just made matters worse.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Brietta

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2018, 12:40:40 PM »
There have been a number of official suspects or arguidos in this case including expat Robert Murat, Russian national Sergey Malinka and Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. None of them have come out of this smelling of roses for one reason or another. 

Let me say firstly that it is by no means unusual for the parents of a missing child to attract suspicion since most child abduction cases do involve persons known to the child.  In this case however there are other peripheral events which leave many questions still to be answered. Those events include the refusal by Kate McCann to answer the simplest questions when formally interviewed, the voluntary non participation by the parents and their friends in a reconstruction of the events on the night Maddie disappeared, the savage attack on certain Portuguese police officers and the detective who led the original investigation. Then there was the Oakley International debacle involving fraudster Kevin Halligen which saw a secret Report and e-fits withheld from the public. Add to this the murky business involving the Madeleine Fund and the Spanish private detective agency Metodo 3 and a certain pattern begins to develop.

The Archive Report issued back when the original enquiry was shelved for lack of evidence stated that the parents had "failed to demonstrate their non involvement" and the Portuguese Supreme Court has more recently been forced to make the unprecedented declaration that the parents have not been cleared.

The Madeleine Fund itself has attracted much criticism.  Far from being the transparent Company it was initially set up to be to handle donations from the public, it has morphed into something else with accounts and payments shrouded in secrecy.

Are all these events interrelated or is there more to this than meets the eye?

Kate McCann had already answered the 'simple' questions asked when she was interviewed as a witness over a time span of thirteen hours immediately prior to being constituted arguida.
As a witness her function was to provide information which may have helped Madeleine's case.

As an arguida ... the case was against her and nothing at all to do with helping Madeleine.
Her legal right was to maintain silence ... she exercised that right and in my opinion that was a very sensible decision to take.


« Last Edit: January 25, 2018, 05:03:17 PM by John »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2018, 12:47:17 PM »
Neither Kate or Gerry McCann refused to attend a reconstituion: as arguidos they could not.




Letter from R. Alves regarding K. McCann's willingness to participate in the reconstruction
Public Ministry of Portimao

Case Section
Case 201/07 GALGS
Dear Sir
Public prosecutor

Kate Marie Healy arguida in the case referred to above, having been notified (page 3947) expresses her availability to participate in the reconstruction of the events on the second of the dates suggested, in other words on the 15 and 16th of next May. Her husband, Gerry McCann has also already expressed his availability.

Rogerio Alves
Lawyer
(Sent by email)
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2018, 12:50:40 PM »
Kate McCann had already answered the 'simple' questions asked when she was interviewed as a witness over a time span of thirteen hours immediately prior to being constituted arguida.
As a witness her function was to provide information which may have helped Madeleine's case.

As an arguida ... the case was against her and nothing at all to do with helping Madeleine.
Her legal right was to maintain silence ... she exercised that right and in my opinion that was a very sensible decision to take.

Do you not think that as the mother of a missing tot she should have put the needs of her child before that of herself and cooperated fully with the investigators.  Any idiot can remain silent but in doing so she gained the condemnation of the police and the public at large.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2018, 12:51:59 PM »
Neither Kate or Gerry McCann refused to attend a reconstituion: as arguidos they could not.




Letter from R. Alves regarding K. McCann's willingness to participate in the reconstruction
Public Ministry of Portimao

Case Section
Case 201/07 GALGS
Dear Sir
Public prosecutor

Kate Marie Healy arguida in the case referred to above, having been notified (page 3947) expresses her availability to participate in the reconstruction of the events on the second of the dates suggested, in other words on the 15 and 16th of next May. Her husband, Gerry McCann has also already expressed his availability.

Rogerio Alves
Lawyer
(Sent by email)

They and their friends made no attempt to do so and that is what counts.  They should all have been arrested and charged imo.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2018, 12:52:19 PM »
Do you not think that as the mother of a missing tot she should have put the needs of her child before that of herself and cooperated fully with the investigators.  Any idiot can remain silent but in doing so she gained the condemnation of the police and the public at large.

Is this another 48 questions thread.... Kate was absolutely  right not to answer the questions  IMO as, we have already discussed at length

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2018, 12:55:30 PM »
Asfiac.... The vast majority  don't suspect the mccanns... It's just a small group on the net... Imo
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Offline Brietta

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2018, 12:56:35 PM »
Do you not think that as the mother of a missing tot she should have put the needs of her child before that of herself and cooperated fully with the investigators.  Any idiot can remain silent but in doing so she gained the condemnation of the police and the public at large.

What?  I doubt very much that sharing a cell with Leonor Cipriano would have advanced Madeleine's case by very much.

The investigators were not investigating Madeleine's case.  They were building a case against Kate.  One of the building blocks of which was her arguida status without a shred of evidence to support it.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline kizzy

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2018, 12:57:41 PM »
IMO No --  far, far to many things don't sit right with an abduction,and not one miniscule of evidence to say maddie was abducted. etc etc

Offline Brietta

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2018, 01:00:02 PM »
They and their friends made no attempt to do so and that is what counts.  They should all have been arrested and charged imo.

The first person to wonder at the value of a reconstitution was not a member of the tapas 7, but Jes Wilkins.


Email Jes Wilkins reply to reconstruction (English)
From : Jes Wilkins (<email address quoted>)
Sent : 16th April 2008
To : Prior Stuart
Subject : Re : Re-enactment questions

Thanks Stuart,
As discussed with your colleagues last week I still feel reluctant to agree to thisfor a number of reasons including family and work commitments, the likelyhood of media intrusion and a lack of information about anything tangible or constructive that is likely to be achived by doing this.
I am happy to discuss further if necessary.
Jes
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2018, 01:09:08 PM »
IMO No --  far, far to many things don't sit right with an abduction,and not one miniscule of evidence to say maddie was abducted. etc etc

The McCanns have never made any attempt to build bridges with the Portuguese police.  Any normal parent of a missing kid would be over there constantly encouraging the local police but not the McCanns.  They're too busy building their careers in the medical industry.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline jassi

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2018, 01:09:53 PM »
What?  I doubt very much that sharing a cell with Leonor Cipriano would have advanced Madeleine's case by very much.

The investigators were not investigating Madeleine's case.
  They were building a case against Kate.  One of the building blocks of which was her arguida status without a shred of evidence to support it.

There are two aspects of the case. One was to find Madeleine, the second was to find the perpetrator. Therefore questioning the McCanns was perfectly legitimate in my opinion.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2018, 01:12:51 PM »
There are two aspects of the case. One was to find Madeleine, the second was to find the perpetrator. Therefore questioning the McCanns was perfectly legitimate in my opinion.

And if the police in the UK and Portugal were doing their job correctly there would be many more questions about the issues I outlined in my op.  Finding Madeleine has become a distraction now to other issues.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!