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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #120 on: January 27, 2018, 04:43:28 PM »
Well the head of the ACED - Association Against Exclusion for Development; wrote a damning piece, what was his name, oh yes Marcos Aragão Correia.

Some may say a conflict of interest.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2018, 04:05:53 PM by John »
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Offline Carana

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #121 on: January 27, 2018, 05:43:39 PM »
Well the head of the ACED - Association Against Exclusion for Development; wrote a damning piece, what was his name, oh yes Marcos Aragão Correia.

Some may say a conflict of interest.

The first I'd heard of him was when he got himself into the media stating that he was suing the PT postal service because a registered letter (or whatever they're called) hadn't been acknowledged by the McCanns.

Lots of PT papers have gone bust over the years, so I might find it difficult to find that one.

From memory, and logically, that would have been some time prior to his dam search.

ETA:

Em Novembro de 2007, Aragão Correia processou judicialmente os Correios de Portugal (CTT) por estes não terem entregue pessoalmente uma carta registada que enviou para o casal McCann.
http://www.dnoticias.pt/impressa/hemeroteca/diario-de-noticias/360386-advogado-marcos-aragao-passa-testemunho-no-caso-joana-NPDN360386#
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Offline kizzy

Re: Do past events tell their own stor
« Reply #122 on: January 28, 2018, 04:21:10 PM »
Please provide cites to back up your opinions.  Thank you


Do you honestly think they do not bring the book to peoples attention, every time they have gone after G A

If they had just ignored it like all the rest of the books, it would never have been as popular as it is now. imo

good photo of him holding the book.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2791401/kate-and-gerry-mccann-warn-ex-cop-goncalo-amaral-not-to-publish-his-new-book-in-britain/

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mccanns+sue+ameral+over+book&oq=mccanns&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59j69i65j69i59j69i60l2.13212j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Offline jassi

Re: Do past events tell their own stor
« Reply #123 on: January 28, 2018, 04:42:08 PM »

Do you honestly think they do not bring the book to peoples attention, every time they have gone after G A

If they had just ignored it like all the rest of the books, it would never have been as popular as it is now. imo

good photo of him holding the book.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2791401/kate-and-gerry-mccann-warn-ex-cop-goncalo-amaral-not-to-publish-his-new-book-in-britain/

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mccanns+sue+ameral+over+book&oq=mccanns&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59j69i65j69i59j69i60l2.13212j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I'm inclined to agree with you.
I think that had they not taken him to court, he and his book would likely have faded away, unnoticed.
As it is, the UK media have been only too happy to give him publicity, becoming increasing bold each time the McCanns were defeated.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline John

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #124 on: January 28, 2018, 04:44:11 PM »
A reminder.

There have been a number of official suspects or arguidos in this case including expat Robert Murat, Russian national Sergey Malinka and Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. None of them have come out of this smelling of roses for one reason or another. 

Let me say firstly that it is by no means unusual for the parents of a missing child to attract suspicion since most child abduction cases do involve persons known to the child.  In this case however there are other peripheral events which leave many questions still to be answered. Those events include the refusal by Kate McCann to answer the simplest questions when formally interviewed, the voluntary non participation by the parents and their friends in a reconstruction of the events on the night Maddie disappeared, the savage attack on certain Portuguese police officers and the detective who led the original investigation. Then there was the Oakley International debacle involving fraudster Kevin Halligen which saw a secret Report and e-fits withheld from the public. Add to this the murky business involving the Madeleine Fund and the Spanish private detective agency Metodo 3 and a certain pattern begins to develop.

The Archive Report issued back when the original enquiry was shelved for lack of evidence stated that the parents had "failed to demonstrate their non involvement" and the Portuguese Supreme Court has more recently been forced to make the unprecedented declaration that the parents have not been cleared.

The Madeleine Fund itself has attracted much criticism.  Far from being the transparent Company it was initially set up to be to handle donations from the public, it has morphed into something else with accounts and payments shrouded in secrecy.

Are all these events interrelated or is there more to this than meets the eye?

I don't know about interrelated but they certainly aren't the norm in cases of claimed child abduction.

Your first point I agree with, none of the arguidos have come out of this saga smelling of roses.  Both Murat and Malinka have had their private business splattered all over the national press in several countries.  The allegations against them both aside from the Madeleine case have been very unsavoury.

Your second point concerning the apparent lack of cooperation is also valid to some extent.  This seldom happens in real child abduction cases, the parents of a missing child are normally pro active and pro police. I personally struggle to comprehend why one of the McCanns wasn't at all times fully involved in searches and other police activities. The police usually have a problem keeping parents away from certain activities but no such difficulty in this case.  Even when one of the parents did attend a briefing at police HQ the detective in charge commented upon his odd behavior.

The failure to answer simple questions is an odd one admittedly.  That said, it is the right of any arguida to do so but I fail to see how that approach could in any way assist the police who were after all trying to find out what happened to her daughter.  All very odd!

The private detectives sagas are very odd too.  Employing one PI firm who turned out to be rogues is just bad luck but employing two is just unheard of.  Most of us here know the background to Oakley International and Método 3 so there is no point in me going through it all again.  Safe to say however that secret e-fits and secret reports are not conducive with full and frank disclosure.

The Portuguese Courts have made their thoughts on the case abundantly clear, unfortunately, none of it has brought us any closer to finding Madeleine McCann or bringing to justice anyone involved in her disappearance.

Taking all of the above into consideration one couldn't be faulted for wondering just what the hell was going on?
« Last Edit: January 28, 2018, 04:52:10 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #125 on: January 28, 2018, 05:07:01 PM »
I don't know about interrelated but they certainly aren't the norm in cases of claimed child abduction.

Your first point I agree with, none of the arguidos have come out of this saga smelling of roses.  Both Murat and Malinka have had their private business splattered all over the national press in several countries.  The allegations against them both aside from the Madeleine case have been very unsavoury.

Your second point concerning the apparent lack of cooperation is also valid to some extent.  This seldom happens in real child abduction cases, the parents of a missing child are normally pro active and pro police. I personally struggle to comprehend why one of the McCanns wasn't at all times fully involved in searches and other police activities. The police usually have a problem keeping parents away from certain activities but no such difficulty in this case.  Even when one of the parents did attend a briefing at police HQ the detective in charge commented upon his odd behavior.

The failure to answer simple questions is an odd one admittedly.  That said, it is the right of any arguida to do so but I fail to see how that approach could in any way assist the police who were after all trying to find out what happened to her daughter.  All very odd!

The private detectives sagas are very odd too.  Employing one PI firm who turned out to be rogues is just bad luck but employing two is just unheard of.  Most of us here know the background to Oakley International and Método 3 so there is no point in me going through it all again.  Safe to say however that secret e-fits and secret reports are not conducive with full and frank disclosure.

The Portuguese Courts have made their thoughts on the case abundantly clear, unfortunately, none of it has brought us any closer to finding Madeleine McCann or bringing to justice anyone involved in her disappearance.

Taking all of the above into consideration one couldn't be faulted for wondering just what the hell was going on?

all this is just a rehash of things taht have been discussed over and over...the original investigation led by amaral completely misunderstood the evidence and thought the mccanns had covered up an accident...Kate told all she knew re the disappearance but was advised to stop answerring questions because the pj were simply looking for something they could use to arrest her...what was going on was  a police force who simply didnt have a clue imo...hence the involvement now of SY...something else that is almost unheard of...

Offline kizzy

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #126 on: January 28, 2018, 05:21:27 PM »
all this is just a rehash of things taht have been discussed over and over...the original investigation led by amaral completely misunderstood the evidence and thought the mccanns had covered up an accident...Kate told all she knew re the disappearance but was advised to stop answerring questions because the pj were simply looking for something they could use to arrest her...what was going on was  a police force who simply didnt have a clue imo...hence the involvement now of SY...something else that is almost unheard of...


So does this mean because it has been discussed over and over on here, that's it solved -  done an dusted.

IMO its the past events, that was then, and still now, unnatural not believable.

No matter how many times they are discussed, does not make them believable. or is it some don't like them being discussed.

[Edited to remove hints of goading.]
« Last Edit: January 28, 2018, 05:27:57 PM by Robittybob1 »

Offline John

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #127 on: January 28, 2018, 05:30:41 PM »
all this is just a rehash of things taht have been discussed over and over...the original investigation led by amaral completely misunderstood the evidence and thought the mccanns had covered up an accident...Kate told all she knew re the disappearance but was advised to stop answerring questions because the pj were simply looking for something they could use to arrest her...what was going on was  a police force who simply didnt have a clue imo...hence the involvement now of SY...something else that is almost unheard of...

I believe the point being made is if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

The Portuguese have primary ownership of this case and always will have which limits SY's involvement.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #128 on: January 28, 2018, 05:31:15 PM »

So does this mean because it has been discussed over and over on here, that's it solved -  done an dusted.

IMO its the past events, that was then, and still now, unnatural not believable.

No matter how many times they are discussed, does not make them believable. or is it some don't like them being discussed.

[Edited to remove hints of goading.]

It's quite  simple

Some think Kate was quite  right not to answer the questions

Some think she was not

There will never be any agreement... That's it

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #129 on: January 28, 2018, 05:35:28 PM »
I believe the point being made is if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

The Portuguese have primary ownership of this case and always will have which limits SY's involvement.

The point is that if you THINK it walks like a duck then everything  follows... It's just opinion

The mccanns did cooperate with the pj until it became clear the pj were just trying to implicate them.... Then they did the right thing to cease cooperation.... All my opinion

Offline barrier

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #130 on: January 28, 2018, 05:41:28 PM »
The point is that if you THINK it walks like a duck then everything  follows... It's just opinion

The mccanns did cooperate with the pj until it became clear the pj were just trying to implicate them.... Then they did the right thing to cease cooperation.... All my opinion

If the Arguido's interviewed in the presence of SY officers had any sense they probably went the same route.imo
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #131 on: January 28, 2018, 05:42:48 PM »
The point is that if you THINK it walks like a duck then everything  follows... It's just opinion

The mccanns did cooperate with the pj until it became clear the pj were just trying to implicate them.... Then they did the right thing to cease cooperation.... All my opinion
"I believe the point being made is if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck" either that or Jane Tanners description of a man carrying a child due to her False Memory Syndrome.
In Kate's opinion at least one of them was a tosser.
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Offline barrier

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #132 on: January 28, 2018, 05:47:40 PM »
"I believe the point being made is if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck" either that or Jane Tanners description of a man carrying a child due to her False Memory Syndrome.

Move on,the Tanner sighting according to Redwood is almost certainly a fellow brit taking his child home(place of sleep),not how some would would like it"almost certainly an  abductor"

Do past events tell their own story,yes when some won't except SY have almost certainly ruled various persons out.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2018, 05:51:18 PM by barrier »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #133 on: January 28, 2018, 05:57:03 PM »
"I believe the point being made is if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck" either that or Jane Tanners description of a man carrying a child due to her False Memory Syndrome.
In Kate's opinion at least one of them was a tosser.

it looks like JT was absolutely right...IMO she  saw a man carrying a child
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #134 on: January 28, 2018, 06:30:30 PM »
it looks like JT was absolutely right...she  saw a man carrying a child
Even though originally she just used the word "individual" which is a gender free word.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2018, 06:34:20 PM by Robittybob1 »
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