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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #135 on: January 28, 2018, 07:14:46 PM »
Even though originally she just used the word "individual" which is a gender free word.
She has still been shown to be correct

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #136 on: January 28, 2018, 07:18:35 PM »
I would be more than happy to consider any  evidence  against the mccanns... Walks like a duck means basically.. Imo...nothing more
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #137 on: January 28, 2018, 07:48:33 PM »
She has still been shown to be correct
How do you define correct?  If she says originally an "individual" and later SY announce there was Creche "man".  Does that make her right?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #138 on: January 28, 2018, 07:48:44 PM »
A missing UK child in a foreign country, with huge media interest, brownie points for politicians, a very suspect case involving some members of the same team...

Madeleine was young, pretty and white.
A sad fact is that if she'd been a brown, unphotogenic, male adolescent, the case masy not have attracted the same amount of attention, and therefore less effort. That is something that I do find unfair, but not because there was so much help to help find Madeleine, but that every missing kid (or even an adult in suspected non-voluntary disappearance cases) should be afforded the same.

There was a case a few years ago of a family trying to find a missing black UK 13-year-old girl... and the press was barely interested. They then decided to make a media storm out of it using the key-word Maddie and the media then latched onto it. As a result of the attention, the girl was eventually found, alive, a few weeks after that.

Missing white woman syndrome coupled with a PM who would sell his soul for a soundbite that pitched him into the news. Stay close enough to take most credit but not too close you cannot deny all responsibility when the fit is in the shan.

Iraq and Tone and I paraphrase cos I can't be a***d to look up the proper quote but it goes a little bit like mi dearios [if you remember your Rambling Sids].
"This is no time for soundbites but I feel the hand of history is on us"...... @)(++(*
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #139 on: January 28, 2018, 07:53:24 PM »
How do you define correct?  If she says originally an "individual" and later SY announce there was Creche "man".  Does that make her right?

She said she saw someone carrying a child... Therefore she had been shown to  be correct

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #140 on: January 28, 2018, 08:02:14 PM »
She said she saw someone carrying a child... Therefore she had been shown to  be correct
OK but how do they know they were seeing the same person?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #141 on: January 28, 2018, 08:03:51 PM »
OK but how do they know they were seeing the same person?

She may not have done

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #142 on: January 28, 2018, 11:41:34 PM »
it looks like JT was absolutely right...IMO she  saw a man carrying a child

She could well have done so but where and when is undetermined. She also claimed to have slid past Gerry chatting to Jez and both men say she was mistaken.  Then there was the flawed identification of Murat whom some among her group thought was seen near the McCann's apartment the night Maddie went missing.  All of this adds up to one big bunch of confused people.  As the title of my thread suggests, past events do tell their own story.
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De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline sadie

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #143 on: January 29, 2018, 12:01:58 AM »
She could well have done so but where and when is undetermined. She also claimed to have slid past Gerry chatting to Jez and both men say she was mistaken.  Then there was the flawed identification of Murat whom some among her group thought was seen near the McCann's apartment the night Maddie went missing.  All of this adds up to one big bunch of confused people.  As the title of my thread suggests, past events do tell their own story.
In the same way as past events with Amaral?  Do they tell their own story ?


BTW, What's this flawed identification bit about?   Jane did not identify Murat. 

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #144 on: January 29, 2018, 12:17:27 AM »
In the same way as past events with Amaral?  Do they tell their own story ?


BTW, What's this flawed identification bit about?   Jane did not identify Murat.

Isn't that why the police went to the bother of setting up a covert observation whereby Tanner could watch Murat walk across the same road she had seen the man carrying a child.  Did she not claim Murat had a gait similar to the man?

Murat normally wears spectacles but the mystery man didn't do so.
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Offline sadie

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #145 on: January 29, 2018, 12:33:17 AM »
Isn't that why the police went to the bother of setting up a covert observation whereby Tanner could watch Murat walk across the same road she had seen the man carrying a child.  Did she not claim Murat had a gait similar to the man?

Murat normally wears spectacles but the mystery man didn't do so.

I dont recall anything about Murat having a similar gait to th eman.  Please could you tell me where I can find that.  TY

Offline Angelo222

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #146 on: January 29, 2018, 03:56:47 PM »
I dont recall anything about Murat having a similar gait to th eman.  Please could you tell me where I can find that.  TY

Amaral's version of events which is reproduced in his book...

JANE TANNER FORMALLY RECOGNISES ROBERT MURAT

Before the search, we want to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she was on the night of May 3rd. Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. But does he resemble the description she painted previously?
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #147 on: January 29, 2018, 04:05:56 PM »
Amaral's version of events which is reproduced in his book...

JANE TANNER FORMALLY RECOGNISES ROBERT MURAT

Before the search, we want to assure ourselves that Jane Tanner recognises him as the individual she saw on the night of the disappearance. She is sitting inside an unmarked car, whose tinted windows allow her to see out without being spotted. The vehicle is parked at the exact spot where she was on the night of May 3rd. Robert Murat, anonymous amongst plain clothes police officers, goes up the road in the same way as the alleged abductor. Jane Tanner is adamant: it certainly is Robert Murat that she saw that night. She definitely recognises his way of walking. But does he resemble the description she painted previously?


amaral also says in his book that in Jersey Eddie discovered a cadaver underneath a concrete slab...which is plainly untrue so i dont think we can totally accept what amaral says in his book

Offline faithlilly

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #148 on: January 29, 2018, 04:12:31 PM »
amaral also says in his book that in Jersey Eddie discovered a cadaver underneath a concrete slab...which is plainly untrue so i dont think we can totally accept what amaral says in his book

Bob Small, the British police officer, was also involved in van incident. Has he disputed what Amaral said ?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Do past events tell their own story?
« Reply #149 on: January 29, 2018, 04:15:22 PM »
Bob Small, the British police officer, was also involved in van incident. Has he disputed what Amaral said ?

Has he confirmed it..... Grime hasn't disputed the dog claim
I doubt small has read the book