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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #315 on: February 05, 2018, 05:29:01 PM »

Sylvia Batista knew Murat by sight after the event but apparently she made a mistake in identifying him as being near 5A on the night of the 3rd May 2007.
Are you really able to pin her down on that?  I find she never did this, in fact she never says she knew RM in my opinion.  Is that possible - she never knew RM at all?  What did she know before the event?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #316 on: February 05, 2018, 05:29:23 PM »
I note you have the word "Smiths" in plural, so that judgement is based on the majority of the Smiths not just the patriarch.
'The Smiths themselves now believe they saw someone else'  Martin still could have stuck out and that statement still be true.

If you bother to watch Panorama, you'll understand the context & notice that was the precise wording used.

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #317 on: February 05, 2018, 05:33:20 PM »
Confirmation that the Smith's 2 efits were compiled with the assistance of Martin & PETER Smith.

Thanks Misty.

Omega memo 08/09/08: "the SMITH family are now (and should always have been treated as) the investigation’s most important witnesses".

And what happened?  *%87
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #318 on: February 05, 2018, 05:46:05 PM »
That's just Spammy trying to slip one over.
It would be different if it was said in the program 'Martin Smith himself now believes he saw someone else'   but it was 'The Smiths themselves now believe they saw someone else'   and from recollection that was true, Mrs Smith and Peter and Aoife all thought it wasn't Gerry.  Those Smiths believe they saw someone other than Gerry.
Martin Smith could tell somehow it wasn't Robert Murat.  Height could be a factor, build, or style of walking, and one that keeps getting mentioned - sweaty (body odour?).
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Offline Brietta

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #319 on: February 05, 2018, 05:47:09 PM »
Your criticism of Gemma Doherty is surprising to me because you have never demanded that the MSM adhere to the standards you are demanding from her. I have noticed that you tend to reproduce MSM articles on here as if they were factual even though they contain no named or verifiable sources.

Cite please.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #320 on: February 05, 2018, 05:51:58 PM »
Thanks Misty.

Omega memo 08/09/08: "the SMITH family are now (and should always have been treated as) the investigation’s most important witnesses".

And what happened?  *%87

The PJ didn't consider that the family were the investigation's most important witnesses - either because GM was placed elsewhere at the time or because there really, really was an abductor.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #321 on: February 05, 2018, 05:53:28 PM »
It would be different if it was said in the program 'Martin Smith himself now believes he saw someone else'   but it was 'The Smiths themselves now believe they saw someone else'   and from recollection that was true, Mrs Smith and Peter and Aoife all thought it wasn't Gerry.  Those Smiths believe they saw someone other than Gerry.
Martin Smith could tell somehow it wasn't Robert Murat.  Height could be a factor, build, or style of walking, and one that keeps getting mentioned - sweaty (body odour?).

If the comment were true, then, why edit it from the programme?

Probably because it wasn't.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #322 on: February 05, 2018, 05:56:33 PM »
If you bother to watch Panorama, you'll understand the context & notice that was the precise wording used.

Thanks.

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https://youtu.be/Aq-1YrpZsuU
It is easy to think all the Smiths agree but it isn't essential. It could have just been a majority verdict.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #323 on: February 05, 2018, 06:00:09 PM »
If the comment were true, then, why edit it from the programme?

Probably because it wasn't.
I agree it is easily construed that Martin Smith had changed his mind.  It actually didn't say he changed his mind.
So to keep the peace the BBC cut out those words.   
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #324 on: February 05, 2018, 06:05:25 PM »
I agree it is easily construed that Martin Smith had changed his mind.  It actually didn't say he changed his mind.
So to keep the peace the BBC cut out those words.   

This is probably true.

Offline jassi

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #325 on: February 05, 2018, 06:05:37 PM »
The PJ didn't consider that the family were the investigation's most important witnesses - either because GM was placed elsewhere at the time or because there really, really was an abductor.

Remind me, when did the PJ receive the report pointing this out ?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #326 on: February 05, 2018, 06:08:26 PM »
Thanks Misty.

Omega memo 08/09/08: "the SMITH family are now (and should always have been treated as) the investigation’s most important witnesses".

And what happened?  *%87

As I recall, by September 08, the McCanns arguido status had been lifted, & they were far too busy saying prayers, lighting candles & suing newspapers to be wasting time chasing up the Smithman lead.
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Offline misty

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #327 on: February 05, 2018, 06:08:45 PM »
Remind me, when did the PJ receive the report pointing this out ?

The PJ knew about the sighting in May 2007. Why would they have wanted or needed a report from a team of UK PI's to tell them what was important?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #328 on: February 05, 2018, 06:09:30 PM »
If you bother to watch Panorama, you'll understand the context & notice that was the precise wording used.

Thanks.

(20:40)
https://youtu.be/Aq-1YrpZsuU

There is agood article in the guardian which gives the background to the panorama programme. The initial producer lookes at all the evidence and delivered a script that was critical of the pj and the press which led people to believe the mccanns may be guilty. The BBC would not accept this and the producer resigned ...they then went on to produce a programme that was far more critical of the mccanns. So far from suppressing evidence of the smith sighting the bbc supressed evidence of the mccanns innocence....seems that im a better investigative journalist than odowd
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Why Were We Lied to By the BBC ?
« Reply #329 on: February 05, 2018, 06:12:45 PM »
There is agood article in the guardian which gives the background to the panorama programme. The initial producer lookes at all the evidence and delivered a script that was critical of the pj and the press which led people to believe the mccanns may be guilty. The BBC would not accept this and the producer resigned ...they then went on to produce a programme that was far more critical of the mccanns. So far from suppressing evidence of the smith sighting the bbc supressed evidence of the mccanns innocence....seems that im a better investigative journalist than odowd

That was the 2007 Panorama.

Congratulations.
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