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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #495 on: February 25, 2018, 02:55:04 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on February 25, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
I am saying that Oakley International were proven in the courts of the USA to be a reprehensible organisation responsible for fraud on an international scale.

On that basis, are you suggesting that if a paedophile worked in a council job - was found guilty and charged that all council employees are paedophiles as well because they worked with that person?

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #496 on: February 25, 2018, 03:09:27 PM »
Quote from: barrier on February 25, 2018, 02:07:04 PM
Didn't the Judge in the SC comment because the McCann's lawyer brought it up.

Yes.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #497 on: February 25, 2018, 03:13:32 PM »
Quote from: jassi on February 25, 2018, 02:53:08 PM
Not sure. They were a bit careless in their wording and printed something that they couldn't substantiate.

Ahh so maybe not lies then?  just not offered cites or something. I see.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #498 on: February 25, 2018, 04:13:02 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on February 25, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
I am saying that Oakley International were proven in the courts of the USA to be a reprehensible organisation responsible for fraud on an international scale.

I think you’ll find that that was Halligen personally.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #499 on: February 25, 2018, 04:30:13 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on February 25, 2018, 04:13:02 PM
I think you’ll find that that was Halligen personally.
You shouldn't be allowed to ask questions like that.  What proof do we have that Kevin Halligen is dead and hasn't actually just faked his own death?
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Offline misty

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #500 on: February 25, 2018, 04:36:07 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on February 25, 2018, 04:13:02 PM
I think you’ll find that that was Halligen personally.

Halligen was sole proprietor of Oakley International.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2809.0
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Offline faithlilly

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #501 on: February 25, 2018, 04:55:05 PM »
Quote from: misty on February 25, 2018, 04:36:07 PM
Halligen was sole proprietor of Oakley International.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2809.0

So he takes sole blame for any frauds perpetrated on his clients. Exton was sub-contracted. Exton compiled the final report and commissioned the efits. Therefore the report and efits are not tainted by Halligen’s dishonestly as Brietta suggested.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #502 on: February 25, 2018, 05:05:56 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on February 25, 2018, 04:55:05 PM
So he takes sole blame for any frauds perpetrated on his clients. Exton was sub-contracted. Exton compiled the final report and commissioned the efits. Therefore the report and efits are not tainted by Halligen’s dishonestly as Brietta suggested.

IMO the final report would need to be analysed to see if there was any input by Halligen which could have tainted it (we have seen images of the mad cardinal prancing around Luz for starters). IMO it is unfair to suggest any of the subcontractors were dishonest without knowing what they were contracted to do.
It occurred to me that the Smiths could not tell the PI's that the man they saw was Gerry without committing slander/libel, even if that's what they believed privately.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #503 on: February 25, 2018, 05:14:08 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on February 25, 2018, 04:30:13 PM
You shouldn't be allowed to ask questions like that.  What proof do we have that Kevin Halligen is dead and hasn't actually just faked his own death?

Don't be silly Robert.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #504 on: February 25, 2018, 05:16:27 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on February 25, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
I am saying that Oakley International were proven in the courts of the USA to be a reprehensible organisation responsible for fraud on an international scale.

In the end Halligen even defrauded the guys who worked for him so to condemn Oakley and everyone who worked for it is wrong.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #505 on: February 25, 2018, 05:24:00 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on February 25, 2018, 04:55:05 PM
So he takes sole blame for any frauds perpetrated on his clients. Exton was sub-contracted. Exton compiled the final report and commissioned the efits. Therefore the report and efits are not tainted by Halligen’s dishonestly as Brietta suggested.

The Sunday Times are guilty of libelling Kate and Gerry McCann ... I am afraid that is a fact you are just going to have to accept.

                 By the way ... a cite is demanded for "... as Brietta suggested" any direct quote will be fine.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #506 on: February 25, 2018, 05:24:44 PM »
Quote from: misty on February 25, 2018, 05:05:56 PM
IMO the final report would need to be analysed to see if there was any input by Halligen which could have tainted it (we have seen images of the mad cardinal prancing around Luz for starters). IMO it is unfair to suggest any of the subcontractors were dishonest without knowing what they were contracted to do.
It occurred to me that the Smiths could not tell the PI's that the man they saw was Gerry without committing slander/libel, even if that's what they believed privately.

But AS IT STANDS NOW there is no reason to doubt Exton’s honesty or the veracity of the final report. Agreed ?
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #507 on: February 25, 2018, 05:26:52 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on February 25, 2018, 05:24:00 PM
The Sunday Times are guilty of libelling Kate and Gerry McCann ... I am afraid that is a fact you are just going to have to accept.

                 By the way ... a cite is demanded for "... as Brietta suggested" any direct quote will be fine.

The Times were indeed guilty of libelling the McCanns, I have never disputed that but only of suggesting that they had withheld the efits,  nothing else.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #508 on: February 25, 2018, 05:28:50 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on February 25, 2018, 05:24:44 PM
But AS IT STANDS NOW there is no reason to doubt Exton’s honesty or the veracity of the final report. Agreed ?

I have no reason to doubt Exton's honesty but cannot comment on the veracity of the content in the final report. Two separate issues IMO.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #509 on: February 25, 2018, 05:29:54 PM »
Quote from: misty on February 25, 2018, 05:05:56 PM
IMO the final report would need to be analysed to see if there was any input by Halligen which could have tainted it (we have seen images of the mad cardinal prancing around Luz for starters). IMO it is unfair to suggest any of the subcontractors were dishonest without knowing what they were contracted to do.
It occurred to me that the Smiths could not tell the PI's that the man they saw was Gerry without committing slander/libel, even if that's what they believed privately.

Mr Smith famously is said not to court publicity.  Davel has pointed out that police statements made in good faith are not actionable.
Your comment gels both together Misty, giving one food for thought.
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