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Offline faithlilly

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1215 on: April 09, 2018, 10:23:26 PM »
That is my opinion, too. The Smith family sighting formed part of a Portuguese police criminal investigation, whereas the VB lookalike sighting was reported to & dealt with by a private investigation. The McCanns could not authorise the release of the Smithman efits without compromising witnesses in the PJ case.

Was the publication of the Tannerman efit authorised by the PJ ?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1216 on: April 09, 2018, 11:12:58 PM »
That is my opinion, too. The Smith family sighting formed part of a Portuguese police criminal investigation, whereas the VB lookalike sighting was reported to & dealt with by a private investigation. The McCanns could not authorise the release of the Smithman efits without compromising witnesses in the PJ case.
Which witnesses would they be compromising?  Once the case is archived judicial secrecy would ceased then surely?
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Offline misty

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1217 on: April 10, 2018, 12:00:18 AM »
Which witnesses would they be compromising?  Once the case is archived judicial secrecy would ceased then surely?

It doesn't matter that judicial secrecy ceased in August 2008. What mattered is that 2 of the Smith family would have been shown as unreliable witnesses, based on their original statements, if the McCanns had allowed the efits to enter the public domain. That could have proved to any future prosecution in Portugal.....but as SY have subsequently released the efits, presumably with the blessing of the PJ....then IMO the witnesses were never as important as some people believe.
 

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1218 on: April 10, 2018, 07:34:18 AM »
It doesn't matter that judicial secrecy ceased in August 2008. What mattered is that 2 of the Smith family would have been shown as unreliable witnesses, based on their original statements, if the McCanns had allowed the efits to enter the public domain. That could have proved to any future prosecution in Portugal.....but as SY have subsequently released the efits, presumably with the blessing of the PJ....then IMO the witnesses were never as important as some people believe.

Which 2?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1219 on: April 10, 2018, 08:36:05 AM »
It doesn't matter that judicial secrecy ceased in August 2008. What mattered is that 2 of the Smith family would have been shown as unreliable witnesses, based on their original statements, if the McCanns had allowed the efits to enter the public domain. That could have proved to any future prosecution in Portugal.....but as SY have subsequently released the efits, presumably with the blessing of the PJ....then IMO the witnesses were never as important as some people believe.

Is any of this based on evidence? I have seen no evidence that the McCanns ever sought or cared about the PJ's opinions. Unless you have information about how or why the e-fits were done, you can't state as fact that producing them made the Smiths into unreliable witnesses. 
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Offline Lace

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1220 on: April 10, 2018, 10:35:32 AM »
The only people the PI's had to answer to was their clients.

The PI's had to hand their findings to the PJ.

Offline jassi

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1221 on: April 10, 2018, 10:37:15 AM »
The PI's had to hand their findings to the PJ.

Had to ?                Do you have a cite for that?
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Offline Lace

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1222 on: April 10, 2018, 10:54:06 AM »
Was the publication of the Tannerman efit authorised by the PJ ?

I posted this before but here it is again -

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/26/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1223 on: April 10, 2018, 11:14:23 AM »
I posted this before but here it is again -

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/26/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

So the efit’s release was not authorised by the PJ, tacit approval via Mitchell does not aquate to authorisation :

tacit
ADJECTIVE

Understood or implied without being stated.
‘your silence may be taken to mean tacit agreement’

 The efits yet were released during an ongoing investigation. Begs the question then why this didn’t happen with the Smithman efits when the PJ would have even less power to stop them ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1224 on: April 10, 2018, 11:16:09 AM »
I posted this before but here it is again -

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/26/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

Tacit approval. Meaning not stated. I don't think the PJ were asked for their approval, were they?
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Offline Lace

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1225 on: April 10, 2018, 12:19:20 PM »
Tacit approval. Meaning not stated. I don't think the PJ were asked for their approval, were they?

"[The picture] gives an idea of the man's general appearance, his size, his shape and his bearing. We believe that this is potentially the last definitive sighting of Madeleine," he said. The release of the images, commissioned by private detectives working for the McCanns, was given the "tacit approval" of Portuguese police, Mr Mitchell said.


I appears to me,  that the Portuguese Police knew the images were going to be released,  no doubt they were told about it,   and didn't disagree to them being released.   If they didn't approve then they would have said so. IMO

Offline jassi

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1226 on: April 10, 2018, 12:22:15 PM »
Perhaps they just gave a metaphorical shrug of the shoulder and ignored it.
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Offline misty

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1227 on: April 10, 2018, 12:51:32 PM »
Perhaps they just gave a metaphorical shrug of the shoulder and ignored it.

Releasing the artist's impression of Tannerman did not undermine the credibility of Jane's witness statement.

Offline G-Unit

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1228 on: April 10, 2018, 01:46:22 PM »
Releasing the artist's impression of Tannerman did not undermine the credibility of Jane's witness statement.

True, her sighting had already been dismissed as unreliable by the PJ, I think.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The Smithman e-fits
« Reply #1229 on: April 10, 2018, 03:06:45 PM »
True, her sighting had already been dismissed as unreliable by the PJ, I think.

Cite, please.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....