Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[faithlilly]

very simple ...if there was evidence to be found it would be in5a...nothing should be missed...therefore it was important the dogswere repeatedly brought back to examine sites grime felt were important..but nothing of any significance was found

and he wasnt skewing evidence because the alerts themselves are not evidence

Why did Grime consider the sites important if Eddie was showing no interest ? Further why did Eddie alert if there was nothing of interest in the apartment?

[Mr Gray]

Why did Grime consider the sites important if Eddie was showing no interest ? Further why did Eddie alert if there was nothing of interest in the apartment?

why did Grime think 5a was imortant... I think most sensible people would understand why...why did eddie alert...have there been any studies on cadaver dogs where they are repeatedly encouraged...I have my opinions but without proper scientific studies...and there are none,...we do not have a reliable answer

[Robittybob1]

or even triple check...it was important no evidence was  missed

As in sites to find possible corroborating evidence after an alert.

[Mr Gray]

As in sites to find possible corroborating evidence after an alert.

the best cadaver dogs in the world...found nothing.

and that is a FACT IMO...that no one can dispute

[Robittybob1]

the best cadaver dogs in the world...found nothing.

and that is a FACT ...that no one can dispute

The dogs did their job they alerted or stayed quiet if there was nothing to signal on.  The dogs are not looking for  evidence.  You can't say they found nothing for that is not their job but to locate an area of alert.  But if it is in the air and the air moves there is no actual location from which to take samples. 
Keela pointed actual spots to take the samples from but not so much with Eddie.

[G-Unit]

are you aware of the apeal to the SCCRC...obviuosly not

the SCCRC ruled that the dog alerts were unreliable but therewas so much other evidence the conviction stood

Your ability to take quotes and change them to suit your agenda is fascinating. The Gilroy family said;

One strand was fully and professionally examined by the SCCRC. They concluded that the evidence given by the dog handler was unreliable.
http://www.gilroyfamily.info/news.asp

So the SCCRC never said the dog alerts were unreliable, they said the evidence given by the dog handler was unreliable.

The interesting point is that the dog handler's evidence was admissible in court.

[Mr Gray]

The dogs did their job they alerted or stayed quiet if there was nothing to signal on.  The dogs are not looking for  evidence.  You can't say they found nothing for that is not their job but to locate an area of alert.  But if it is in the air and the air moves there is no actual location from which to take samples. 
Keela pointed actual spots to take the samples from but not so much with Eddie.

According to grime... But what does he know... He trains dogs to help recover evidence... That's their job..

[kizzy]

If Maddie was abducted as i believe she was...then Maddie and all her family are victims...show some compassion

You ask me to show compassion , on your belief.

I Don't believe, maddie was abducted.

The true victim is maddie.

The mccanns are victims of there own actions.

Well its a fact, you cant misunderstand evidence of abduction - because there isn't any.

[Mr Gray]

You ask me to show compassion , on your belief.

I Don't believe, maddie was abducted.

The true victim is maddie.

The mccanns are victims of there own actions.

Well its a fact, you cant misunderstand evidence of abduction - because there isn't any.

so if abduction was proved...would you then feel some compassion towards the mccanns

[Mr Gray]

Your ability to take quotes and change them to suit your agenda is fascinating. The Gilroy family said;

One strand was fully and professionally examined by the SCCRC. They concluded that the evidence given by the dog handler was unreliable.
http://www.gilroyfamily.info/news.asp

So the SCCRC never said the dog alerts were unreliable, they said the evidence given by the dog handler was unreliable.

The interesting point is that the dog handler's evidence was admissible in court.

The SCCRC ruled that the evidence given re the dog alerts was unreliable....it has been discussed before that for some reason the alerts are allowed as evidence in scotland

[Lace]

Unless we actually see the report there is no way of knowing. What we do know however is that Gilroy is, despite the review, still in prison convicted of  murder, which rather suggests that the dog’s alerts were absolutely reliable.


 It is interesting though that the only individuals who ever claim that cadaver dogs are unreliable are always the ones who are on the wrong end of an alert.

In this case they found her body. 

This is interesting -   

PC Thompson said the dog gave "positive indications" of a smell of decomposing human remains or blood in the building which housed IML during the probe.

OR BLOOD    you see a cadaver dog can smell the scent of blood even when there is no blood to find.   Which was my point in the 5a bedroom,   Eddie could have smelt blood which had been in the room,  thought it may not have been a body,  it could have been blood on clothing or someone could have had a nose bleed,  it could even have been blood in fertiliser used on the garden and walked into the grout of the tiles.   Three families stayed in 5a after the McCann's.

[G-Unit]

so if abduction was proved...would you then feel some compassion towards the mccanns

About as much as you felt for Amaral when he was cleared of libel, I would imagine.

[Mr Gray]

About as much as you felt for Amaral when he was cleared of libel, I would imagine.

to compare the disappearance of maddie with amarals libel case is crass in the extreme

[kizzy]

so if abduction was proved...would you then feel some compassion towards the mccanns

Hard question really, as i have never thought maddie was abducted since week 1


Not compassion, but i would feel some regret of what i have said about them -  i would think

If i had thought maddie...was abducted... i would never have got involved with this case.

I could not fight the corner of the mccanns... who brought this on themselves.

My compassion lies 100% with maddie.

How would you feel... if there was no abduction, and the mccanns were involved. [

[Wonderfulspam]

so if abduction was proved...would you then feel some compassion towards the mccanns

As if abduction will ever be proven.
I don't normally use smileys but  to that.