According to some, there is certainly circumstantial evidence of abduction.

[Mr Gray]

Most of Portugal, from what I have seen.  They are also entitled to their opinion.

That is their opinion but if they think amaral proved Maddie died in the apartment  they are wrong
Amaral did not prove Maddie, died in the, apartment... He thinks, he did but he is wrong.... That is, fact... Not opinion

[Mr Gray]

There is no proof she left the apartment alive either according to various SY officers.

Correct... There is no proof either way... That does not make amaral right

[ShiningInLuz]

OK - so what was the proof presented by Amaral that convinced them Madeleine died in the apartment?  Is it your opinion that proof about any given thing is entirely subjective?

Who cares?  Debating beliefs and opinions is a waste of time.

It is the case that most of Portugal is of the opinion that Madeleine died in 5A on 3 May 2007.

Consequently, rubbish about what Amaral proved or did not prove is entirely beside the point.

[ShiningInLuz]

That is their opinion but if they think amaral proved Maddie died in the apartment  they are wrong
Amaral did not prove Maddie, died in the, apartment... He thinks, he did but he is wrong.... That is, fact... Not opinion

It's your opinion, nothing more.

[Mr Gray]

Who cares?  Debating beliefs and opinions is a waste of time.

It is the case that most of Portugal is of the opinion that Madeleine died in 5A on 3 May 2007.

Consequently, rubbish about what Amaral proved or did not prove is entirely beside the point.

You really don't understand the point in question.... It relates to whether amaral proved death as he claims...doesn't matter about opinions...
If amaral THINKS he has proved death then that's quite important as it shows he does not understand the evidence... Which is very important...

[Mr Gray]

It's your opinion, nothing more.

As I said you obviously  don't understand

[Mr Gray]

Who cares?  Debating beliefs and opinions is a waste of time.

It is the case that most of Portugal is of the opinion that Madeleine died in 5A on 3 May 2007.

Consequently, rubbish about what Amaral proved or did not prove is entirely beside the point.

You have spent hours and hours debating beliefs and opinions.... Do you now believe it's a waste of time

[ShiningInLuz]

You really don't understand the point in question.... It relates to whether amaral proved death as he claims...doesn't matter about opinions...
If amaral THINKS he has proved death then that's quite important as it shows he does not understand the evidence... Which is very important...

I understand the point in question very well.

It does NOT relate to what he proved or did not prove.

It is about who believes what.

You have one opinion on this.  Which is not influencing the beliefs or opinions of the Portuguese one iota.

[Mr Gray]

I understand the point in question very well.

It does NOT relate to what he proved or did not prove.

It is about who believes what.

You have one opinion on this.  Which is not influencing the beliefs or opinions of the Portuguese one iota.

You obviously  don't understand  the point in question....None of my posts refer to who believes  what... My posts to which you have replied relate to whether amaral proved death in the apartment.. You have totally misunderstood the posts

[Mr Gray]

It isnt...he believed the evidence proved maddie died in the apartment...he is on record saying that.....the evidence does not prove that  he is wrong......fact not opinion...

00.48 - During the following 50 minutes, I will prove that the child was not abducted, and that she died in the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.


https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/maddie-truth-of-lie-documentary.html

Just to clear up any misunderstanding

[ShiningInLuz]

You have spent hours and hours debating beliefs and opinions.... Do you now believe it's a waste of time

Hours and hours = cobblers.

What is a waste of time?  Separating the wheat from the chaff?

[ShiningInLuz]

You obviously  don't understand  the point in question....None of my posts refer to who believes  what... My posts to which you have replied relate to whether amaral proved death in the apartment.. You have totally misunderstood the posts

I understood your posts perfectly.

[Mr Gray]

I understood your posts perfectly.

You do not... You said it's about who believes  what... It isnt
Read the post I have reposted

[Mr Gray]

Hours and hours = cobblers.

What is a waste of time?  Separating the wheat from the chaff?

You are now not making any sense

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who cares?  Debating beliefs and opinions is a waste of time.

It is the case that most of Portugal is of the opinion that Madeleine died in 5A on 3 May 2007.

Consequently, rubbish about what Amaral proved or did not prove is entirely beside the point.

That is most dismissive of you.  If Amaral misled the entire nation of Portugal by  convincing them that he had proof that Madeleine died in the apartment when clearly he did not, then I would say that’s quite a serious matter and not beside the point at all.  It is neither a belief, nor an opinion that Amaral did not prove Madeleine died in the apartment, it’s a fact supported by the police report when the case was archived.