Which Window?

[Nicholas]

You are correct, I posted the picture before I bought the catch. My knob isn't snail shaped (oo err mrs) but it's the same otherwise. However, you don't have to pull to the right if the string goes over the top of the moveable pane - you just need to make sure the string is long enough in order to leave enough room to climb out of the window. Just pull the string straight once the window is closed and the frame acts as a lever.

Point is ...... it works! 

I trust your judgement Caroline!

[Caroline]

I trust your judgement Caroline!

Thanks Steph. I'll take some pictures to demonstrate how it works.

[Myster]

Thanks Steph. I'll take some pictures to demonstrate how it works.

où sont les images? 

[Myster]

... and where is the window catch/lock in this CS photo?

[Myster]

I thought it was visible from outside, but I think this is just a visual abberation, i.e. the design on the shower curtain inside the room...

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[Caroline]

où sont les images? 

I haven't forgotten, need to make a mock window sill first! I shall get around to it soon 

[Myster]

I haven't forgotten, need to make a mock window sill first! I shall get around to it soon 

Dying to see your Indian rope WHF string trick video, Caro?
 

[Myster]

Hope it's better than this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmi8C4CJ5zk

[Caroline]

Hope it's better than this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmi8C4CJ5zk

Well, I didn't use rope for starters and I am struggling with the notion that string couldn't be pulled through a closed window - I did it with my own last night.

[John]

A short reminder to all posters to remain on topic and to respect other members point of view which might not necessarily coincide with your own. Please keep comments relevant and amicable. TY

[Holly Goodhead]

I'm not disputing Caro's experiment/test could potentially have worked at WHF on old single pane sash windows.  But I do think jurors should have been taken to WHF to see for themselves what the prosecution was claiming.     

This is what the trial judge said about the windows:

"… how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case"

However jurors were also told:

"DCI Jones made a statement dated 7 October 1985 in which he reported that he had attended at the farm at approximately 9.15 a.m. on 7 August and he had proceeded to check every room on the ground floor of the house and found that on the ground floor all the windows in the house were secure and locked except the window to the dairy. That statement was read to the Jury as part of the Defence case".

I guess the judge was in effect saying other aspects of the case must take precedence over the windows ie the silencer and JM's testimony taken at face value were strong prosecution points.  The windows were a strong defence point but not strong enough to override silencer/JM.   

[Holly Goodhead]

Thinking further about the judge's comments above re the windows do they not amount to bias?

Should there be a 'claim' in there ie the prosecution claim...otherwise it seems to me the judge is telling jurors JB arrived at WHF and entered/exited by some means!? 

[Myster]

Well, I didn't use rope for starters and I am struggling with the notion that string couldn't be pulled through a closed window - I did it with my own last night.

I don't think you're struggling with it, just with convincing others who don't agree.

I accept that your method is possible, having once lived in an old house of similar age to WHF, and fitted with sliding-ash windows which rattled and were draughty during windy weather, until they were replaced with new casements. Over many years the wooden frame shrinks leaving gaps around the sliding portion, making them easier to open and shut. Security is easily overcome by sliding a thin object such as a hacksaw/thin knife blade between to open, or in your case a string to close the catch.  Being in a toilet/shower room too would mean more use for ventilation than those in other rooms, hence more wear.

He might have had more of a problem replacing all those toiletries on the sill, then arranging/straightening the net curtain, than repositioning the plastic drying rack, liquid soap bottle, etc. in front of the opening casement kitchen window. Which is why I think the latter was the easier escape route of the two.

Either way he got out, leaving WHF secure and police flummoxed.

[adam]

It is good to read new theories.

David had his diagrams with his side ejecting bouncing bullets, Nugs believes RB may have shot himself with the silencer attached & Mike has different theories every week.

Not sure why Caroline has suddenly decided Bamber used a piece of string in the dark on a shut window. But good to see another option.

Most shut windows I see it would not be possible. The WS's of Julie & PB support exit out of the kitchen window, which could be banged shut from outside. This is the exit the police believe Bamber took.

[Caroline]

I don't think you're struggling with it, just with convincing others who don't agree.

I accept that your method is possible, having once lived in an old house of similar age to WHF, and fitted with sliding-ash windows which rattled and were draughty during windy weather, until they were replaced with new casements. Over many years the wooden frame shrinks leaving gaps around the sliding portion, making them easier to open and shut. Security is easily overcome by sliding a thin object such as a hacksaw/thin knife blade between to open, or in your case a string to close the catch.  Being in a toilet/shower room too would mean more use for ventilation than those in other rooms, hence more wear.

He might have had more of a problem replacing all those toiletries on the sill, then arranging/straightening the net curtain, than repositioning the plastic drying rack, liquid soap bottle, etc. in front of the opening casement kitchen window. Which is why I think the latter was the easier escape route of the two.

Either way he got out, leaving WHF secure and police flummoxed.

I'm not really bothered about convincing people, I shared the idea simply to spark a discussion. I expected the childish foot stamping from the likes of David but it just makes me laugh when he goes to such trouble to try and discredit me.

The reason I believe it was the this particular window is because he used it after the murders making a point of asking BW to close it for him. This was after he was questioned by police who mentioned the window. The message to BW was almost like a message to EP saying that 'well yes, I can enter, but I can't leave and secure the window'. Well, you can.