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Offline Robittybob1

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Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2018, 01:51:14 PM »
Redwood said he was in the exact same area,not that he passed by 5A.
Either he did or he didn't but if it was him Jane has to be able to see him at some stage.  The two together has to fit somehow.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2018, 02:05:38 PM »
I'd like a statement from the real Mr Totman.  Where was the other child?  Did they take only one of the kids to the night creche?  Which way was he walking and at what time did he pass by the McCann's apartment?

Gunit has already furbished us with  very interesting information.  Totman family in the same block, booked to play tennis ,and as Barrier asked  was the Julian who played tennis with Gerry the same Julian Totman?

What more information do you need?. It would seem  some of fathers  holidaying, except the tapas parents, were  picking up/trying to get children to sleep, caring and looking after their  children.



Interesting the Sun mentions that the OG will be wound up in October...
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Offline frankiecee

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2018, 02:07:59 PM »
I'd like a statement from the real Mr Totman.  Where was the other child?  Did they take only one of the kids to the night creche?  Which way was he walking and at what time did he pass by the McCann's apartment?

Totmans had a booking for 8pm for 2+1 in the Tapas Restaurant, so maybe one child there and one in the crèche?


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Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2018, 02:13:43 PM »
I believe Tanner was in two of the McCann documentaries, the first Panorama and Madeleine Was here so she is certainly higher profile than any of the other Tapas group. It’s odd that no journalists have approached her for a quote.
In your opinion it's odd (you seem to find most things odd about this case, unless I'm very mistaken), but most people really wouldn't give it a millisecond's consideration.  IMO she's done very well to keep herself and her utterances away from the gutter press, thereby denying those who enjoy criticising her every thought and deed further material to critique.
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Online Brietta

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2018, 02:14:55 PM »
Much would depend on who translated any conversation between the Totmans & the GNR.
It doesn't explain why information provided to LP wasn't acted upon. Presumably it was also forwarded to Portugal.
How many more times do we have to hear this same story of people having come forward but their information not acted upon by the PJ?
It's a pity the PJ never published all the efits they had at the time as most of them could probably have been identified & ruled out,

It is interesting that you should mention efits, Misty.

A friend of the Totmans who was in occupation of Apartment G4 at the time Madeleine disappeared gave a description to Wiltshire police in May 2007 of a man she had witnessed on two occasions in the area of the McCann apartment.

This was passed to Leicestershire police who were liaising with the PJ and subsequently dropped off the radar.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/CUTTING_EDGE.htm
« Last Edit: May 07, 2018, 02:29:11 PM by Brietta »
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

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Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2018, 02:17:40 PM »
The abduction theory is crumbling even further as Tanner confirmed as mistaken.    @)(++(*


On the contrary, it is now confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt that JT DID see a man carrying a child in close proximity to Apartment 5A.  She has been thoroughly vindicated.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2018, 07:18:22 PM by Angelo222 »
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2018, 02:23:16 PM »
I believe Tanner was in two of the McCann documentaries, the first Panorama and Madeleine Was here so she is certainly higher profile than any of the other Tapas group. It’s odd that no journalists have approached her for a quote.


Indeed, and furthermore, as the anniversary was approaching  and them told to STFU by OG/SY? is it not strange that this has been revealed now? AND the Sun got hold of it [ok maybe 2,3,4th hand]. I am suddenly opening up to a different way of seeing things.

Kate and Gerry had asked LP to update them with some information. they refused. I just wonder if LP had this information to hand at that time, along with other information which hasn't been disclosed, for obvious reasons.

DiD The [family friend,pal,person in the know,source close to the family] Know about this before it was  revealed on TV. Are SY really having cosy chats keeping the family updated on the investigation?  hmm I very much doubt it for this reason: If they know the 'abductor' JT pointed out was someone who knew them and was identified way back as being the 'tannerman' they would not have continued to pursue this  as a given. OR would they?
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2018, 02:32:35 PM »
In your opinion it's odd (you seem to find most things odd about this case, unless I'm very mistaken), but most people really wouldn't give it a millisecond's consideration.  IMO she's done very well to keep herself and her utterances away from the gutter press, thereby denying those who enjoy criticising her every thought and deed further material to critique.


lol  JT has been called out. no wonder they all kept quiet.

 Should I remind you that your 'vulnerable' parents used the SUN gutter press,  for the loving mother to reveal her 'truth' book. revealing amongst other things ,the imagined state of her daughters genitalia,(being torn)and her lack of sexual intimacy with her husband due to her daughter being 'abducted'.

Oh perhaps you forgot about that?  juicy, meaty, sex talk... just the way the SUN likes it.
 OMG so sickening.

The discussion at my work that day on this being reported was :sheer horror, shock, disgust and disbelief.

The revelation of Tannerman quite a turn up for the 'anniversary'- hmm
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2018, 02:39:34 PM »
On the contrary, it is now confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt that JT DID see a man carrying a child in close proximity to Apartment 5A.  She has been thoroughly vindicated.


Jane Tanner did NOT see an abductor as she claimed. She has NOT been vindicated at all. They all mislead the police, with theyr 'timeline' and visions, and finger pointing and IMO this should be addressed.

 No wonder the PJ didn't follow the abduction theory.Will Amaral receive an apology?

 Where does OG stand on this now are they  'looking' for an abductor?
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2018, 02:40:49 PM »
I think they were too far down and behind his sightline to observe.

Not true.
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Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
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Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2018, 02:53:06 PM »

Jane Tanner did NOT see an abductor as she claimed. She has NOT been vindicated at all. They all mislead the police, with theyr 'timeline' and visions, and finger pointing and IMO this should be addressed.

 No wonder the PJ didn't follow the abduction theory.Will Amaral receive an apology?

 Where does OG stand on this now are they  'looking' for an abductor?
Jane Tanner saw a man whose identity she did not know, carrying a child in his arms in close proximity to Apartment 5A on the night Madeleine went missing.  We now know this was a genuine sighting.  In her shoes, would you have told the police, believing he may have been the person who took Madeleine or would you have kept quiet because it might just have been a dad carrying his own child home from the creche?

Of course she has been vindicated!  She said she saw a man carrying a child, she DID see a man carrying a child, and her description was pretty accurate.  The only thing she could not have known at the time she told the police what she had seen was whether or not this man was relevant to the investigation.
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Offline Innominate

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2018, 02:58:40 PM »
Jane Tanner saw a man whose identity she did not know, carrying a child in his arms in close proximity to Apartment 5A on the night Madeleine went missing.  We now know this was a genuine sighting.  In her shoes, would you have told the police, believing he may have been the person who took Madeleine or would you have kept quiet because it might just have been a dad carrying his own child home from the creche?

Of course she has been vindicated!  She said she saw a man carrying a child, she DID see a man carrying a child, and her description was pretty accurate.  The only thing she could not have known at the time she told the police what she had seen was whether or not this man was relevant to the investigation.

The Tapas booking sheet gives the apartment number:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm

It looks like G4M.

Isn't that the block further along from 5A?

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2018, 02:58:49 PM »
Jane Tanner saw a man whose identity she did not know, carrying a child in his arms in close proximity to Apartment 5A on the night Madeleine went missing.  We now know this was a genuine sighting.  In her shoes, would you have told the police, believing he may have been the person who took Madeleine or would you have kept quiet because it might just have been a dad carrying his own child home from the creche?

Of course she has been vindicated!  She said she saw a man carrying a child, she DID see a man carrying a child, and her description was pretty accurate.  The only thing she could not have known at the time she told the police what she had seen was whether or not this man was relevant to the investigation.

The pertinent question is was Gerry in the vicinity at the time ?
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

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Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2018, 03:00:39 PM »
The pertinent question is was Gerry in the vicinity at the time ?
She was right about seeing Totman, he said he was the right man at the right place at the right time, Jez puts Gerry outside the apartment within the same time frame, so where else do you think Gerry might have been?
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Re: Crecheman's identity finally revealed
« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2018, 03:03:41 PM »

lol  JT has been called out. no wonder they all kept quiet.

 Should I remind you that your 'vulnerable' parents used the SUN gutter press,  for the loving mother to reveal her 'truth' book. revealing amongst other things ,the imagined state of her daughters genitalia,(being torn)and her lack of sexual intimacy with her husband due to her daughter being 'abducted'.

Oh perhaps you forgot about that?  juicy, meaty, sex talk... just the way the SUN likes it.
 OMG so sickening.

The discussion at my work that day on this being reported was :sheer horror, shock, disgust and disbelief.

The revelation of Tannerman quite a turn up for the 'anniversary'- hmm
Your post is IMO a disgrace, and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Jane Tanner talking to the media about her own feelings about anything.  Jane has been completely vindicated and does not need to crow about it to the Sun, the Mirror or any other publication IMO.  Good for her.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" - MLK Jr