Author Topic: It has never been explained why Julian Totman was walking the wrong way?  (Read 43482 times)

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Offline Robittybob1

If he had been talking to the tapas group and they had told him about Tanner’s sighting wouldn’t he, and they, have put two and two together and conclude that he may have been the man she saw ? Why didn’t they approach Tanner and put this to her ? Further as she would have been aware of Totman from watching the men play tennis why didn’t she recognise him as her sighting ?
She thought the person wasn't a tourist.  Totman was a tourist so Totman is excluded.  I wonder if that really holds true.  Does the sketch look that non-tourist like?
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Offline Robittybob1

So you think they ignored Judicial Secrecy straight away and talked about the case to other holidaymakers immediately?

The first media reports seem to have surfaced in November 2007;

A close friend of Kate and Gerry McCann has broken ranks to tell for the first time what happened on the night Madeleine McCann vanished.

She defied the Portuguese authorities who have told Mr and Mrs McCann - and those with them on the night Madeleine vanished - not to talk about the case.

It is not yet clear if any action will be taken against Miss Tanner for speaking out.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569668/McCann-friend-saw-Madeleines-abductor.html
But the McCanns were allowed to go to Amsterdam and describe the pyjamas that Madeleine was wearing!
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Offline faithlilly

OK, let's go with C until we're told off, receive penalty points on our forum licenses etc.

The first question I would pose to those who think it's C is  - why?  What does she gain from this? (OK that's 2 questions).
The second question I would pose is - having seen the person, and knowing who he was, why would she knowing that there is a) the possibility he saw her and b) even if he didn't see her, would know that it was him she saw at that time and in all likelihood would come forward and tell the police? 

The May 3/4  timelines and the first statements which mention Tanner’s sighting don’t mention Tanner seeing Gerry.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2018, 09:21:03 PM by John »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

At very great risk to her personal liberty and reputation and of her "helpfulness" being uncovered almost straight away, had Totman seen her and/or the police had done their jobs properly and established it was him from the start.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2018, 09:21:49 PM by John »
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

The May 3/4  timelines and the first statements which mention Tanner’s sighting don’t mention Tanner seeing Gerry.
That's not addressing the questions in my post that you have quoted.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2018, 12:12:19 PM by Brietta »
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Offline G-Unit

If he had been talking to the tapas group and they had told him about Tanner’s sighting wouldn’t he, and they, have put two and two together and conclude that he may have been the man she saw ? Why didn’t they approach Tanner and put this to her ? Further as she would have been aware of Totman from watching the men play tennis why didn’t she recognise him as her sighting ?

I thought that. If they told him he should have responded to them rather than going to tell the police.
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Offline Robittybob1

Either
a) yes that is exactly what happened
b) Jane Tanner didn't see Totman but another man carrying a child at more or less the same time who happened to look like Totman
c) Jane Tanner saw Totman, knew exactly who he was.
d) Totman was nowhere near the apartment carrying a child that night.

Pick one and we'll take it from there. 
What about something even stranger, like it was Mrs Totman seen by Jane.  But Jane thought of drawing Mr Totman instead. 
The first drawing by Jane was "the egg with hair" and that is not Mr Totman IMO.
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Offline jassi

At very great risk to her personal liberty and reputation and of her "helpfulness" being uncovered almost straight away, had Totman seen her and/or the police had done their jobs properly and established it was him from the start.

Well not really. Her early statements only mention seeing a man carrying a child. No incrimination of anyone, but crucial establishment of there being an abductor.
If Totman had come forward, she could admit mistake in what she saw.
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Offline faithlilly

At very great risk to her personal liberty and reputation and of her "helpfulness" being uncovered almost straight away, had Totman seen her and/or the police had done their jobs properly and established it was him from the start.

Why would she be at risk ? Even if Totman had come forward at that time he would simply verify her sighting, as he did later. The only contentious issue is Totman not seeing Gerry and that could be explained away ( as many here are still tryin* to do ).
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Robittybob1

What about something even stranger, like it was Mrs Totman seen by Jane.  But Jane thought of drawing Mr Totman instead. 
The first drawing by Jane was "the egg with hair" and that is not Mr Totman IMO.
Can anyone see a resemblance between the first sketch and the second?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Why would she be at risk ? Even if Totman had come forward at that time he would simply verify her sighting, as he did later. The only contentious issue is Totman not seeing Gerry and that could be explained away ( as many here are still tryin* to do ).
You're saying that she must have surely known the identity of Totman, so how does she explain that one to the police?  Totman in any case was walking in the "wrong" direction so how does she explain that to the police?  Totman never saw Gerry or Jez apparently - so how does she explain that to the police?  You've got to admit it's a highly risky strategy for her to undertake and what's in it for her at the end of the day?   At what point in the evening of the 3rd does she tell Gerry what she saw, and how do you think Gerry would broach the subject of using that sighting?

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Offline kizzy

At very great risk to her personal liberty and reputation and of her "helpfulness" being uncovered almost straight away, had Totman seen her and/or the police had done their jobs properly and established it was him from the start.

At very great risk to her personal liberty and reputation and of her "helpfulness" being uncovered almost straight away,



Think that could have been one of the reasons for refusing to do a reconstruction.
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Offline Brietta

What about something even stranger, like it was Mrs Totman seen by Jane.  But Jane thought of drawing Mr Totman instead. 
The first drawing by Jane was "the egg with hair" and that is not Mr Totman IMO.

I think it makes a lot more sense than most of the posts on the subject I have seen lately.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

At very great risk to her personal liberty and reputation and of her "helpfulness" being uncovered almost straight away,



Think that could have been one of the reasons for refusing to do a reconstruction.
She wasn't the only one who didn't want to do a reconstruction though was she?  Jez Wilkins didn't want to either for one.  What reason do you think he had for not wanting to?
« Last Edit: June 06, 2018, 09:30:01 PM by John »
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Offline kizzy

She wasn't the only one who didn't want to do a reconstruction though was she?  Jez Wilkins didn't want to either for one.  What reason do you think he had for not wanting to?


Well he didn't see her did he or gmccann so imo something went wrong.

maybe she was on the wrong street like her hubby thinks.