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Offline jassi

Neither have either of these men been shown to be even the teeniest bit guilty of anything.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Neither of the men + associated child have been 100% positively identified as innocent people carrying their own child. Despite PJ appeals in May 2007 which provided a description of the man/his clothing wandering around the streets of Luz at around 9.30pm & the subsequent SY appeal in 2013, the only revelation has been that Dr. Totman was in the vicinity around the relevant time.

All true and drops both neatly into the bucket labelled "more evidence required" but does not address the question I posed.
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Offline misty

Neither have either of these men been shown to be even the teeniest bit guilty of anything.

They have not been traced, investigated & eliminated. Therefore their innocence or guilt has never been tested (in the kangaroo court or otherwise)

Offline misty

All true and drops both neatly into the bucket labelled "more evidence required" but does not address the question I posed.

See previous answer. If PJ wanted to build a case against a person based purely on flimsy circumstantial evidence, failing to eliminate 2 potential abductors or innocent fathers would prevent matters getting past any PP.
The only thing preventing both sightings from being non-abductors is the PJ failure to identify & investigate.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2018, 02:32:06 AM by misty »

Offline Robittybob1

See previous answer. If PJ wanted to build a case against a person based purely on flimsy circumstantial evidence, failing to eliminate 2 potential abductors or innocent fathers would prevent matters getting past any PP.
The only thing from preventing both sightings from being non-abductors is the PJ failure to identify & investigate.
Why isn't the last statement opinion Misty?
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Offline misty

Why isn't the last statement opinion Misty?

Because it's a fact.

Offline Robittybob1

Because it's a fact.
Can you explain it briefly please.
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Offline misty

Can you explain it briefly please.

It would be simpler to ask what the PJ did to identify those 2 sightings.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: It has never been explained why Julian Totman was walking the wrong way?
« Reply #308 on: August 28, 2018, 03:10:02 AM »
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/screenshots/drawingJaneTanner.jpg



The image on the left is the one done by Gail Cooper but who drew the one on the right?
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/screenshots/drawingJaneTanner.jpg  Has an incorrect title "Drawings of the man described by Jane Tanner".  IMO they are drawings of the man described by Gail Cooper merged with the sketch by Jane Tanner.  They are artistic impressions of two men combined into one.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: It has never been explained why Julian Totman was walking the wrong way?
« Reply #309 on: August 28, 2018, 03:16:45 AM »
You can say people thought it had been given to them, or that people believed it was given to them, or that it should have been given to them, but you can't say it was given to them unless it was.
It is like posting a letter in the hope it gets to the destination intended.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: It has never been explained why Julian Totman was walking the wrong way?
« Reply #310 on: August 28, 2018, 03:21:27 AM »
Yes, the Wilkins were in 4O and the Totmans were in 4M. Jez Wilkins managed to find the PJ and speak to them on 4th May;

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm
Was that before or after they visited their apartment?  With Jez speaking to Gerry the night before I can see why Gerry is targeted for a visit. but why extend that to the others in the block?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: It has never been explained why Julian Totman was walking the wrong way?
« Reply #311 on: August 28, 2018, 03:24:06 AM »
“Through Murat we answered a few questions and gave our details, which the policeman wrote down on the back of a bit of paper. No notebook. Then he pointed to the photocopied picture of Madeleine on the table. "Is this your daughter?" he asked. "Er, no," we said. "That's the girl you are meant to be searching for." My heart sank for the McCanns.”
That's from an article  "https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann"
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: It has never been explained why Julian Totman was walking the wrong way?
« Reply #312 on: August 29, 2018, 07:58:47 PM »
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/screenshots/drawingJaneTanner.jpg  Has an incorrect title "Drawings of the man described by Jane Tanner".  IMO they are drawings of the man described by Gail Cooper merged with the sketch by Jane Tanner.  They are artistic impressions of two men combined into one.



I really can't hold my laugh in when I see these 'postsers' of would be 'abductors'  when you read JT'a description and then see these full frontal  detailed poster with teeth- what a nice set of gnashers he has- for an abductor that is...

and another with a Tash.... looking like Victoria Beckham on a bad day.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: It has never been explained why Julian Totman was walking the wrong way?
« Reply #313 on: August 31, 2018, 12:32:15 AM »
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/screenshots/drawingJaneTanner.jpg  Has an incorrect title "Drawings of the man described by Jane Tanner".  IMO they are drawings of the man described by Gail Cooper merged with the sketch by Jane Tanner.  They are artistic impressions of two men combined into one.

See the sketches in the link below.

Rex Morgan

He is the father of Linda Sims who contacted us to say that were male individuals making collections in Praia da Luz, for a local charity. He was questioned as well as his wife Iris Morgan.

Iris Morgan also made a photo fit and she was shown the photo fit (sketch) made by Gail Cooper. She does not recognise this individual. The photo fit made by her does not correspond to the other photo fit (sketch).

Denise Ashton

She was shown the photo fits (sketches) made by Gail Cooper and did not recognise this person as being the individual in question. A statement will be sent to you on 21st January.



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/POWERPOINT.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Sunny

Re: It has never been explained why Julian Totman was walking the wrong way?
« Reply #314 on: August 31, 2018, 06:35:03 AM »
See the sketches in the link below.

Rex Morgan

He is the father of Linda Sims who contacted us to say that were male individuals making collections in Praia da Luz, for a local charity. He was questioned as well as his wife Iris Morgan.

Iris Morgan also made a photo fit and she was shown the photo fit (sketch) made by Gail Cooper. She does not recognise this individual. The photo fit made by her does not correspond to the other photo fit (sketch).

Denise Ashton

She was shown the photo fits (sketches) made by Gail Cooper and did not recognise this person as being the individual in question. A statement will be sent to you on 21st January.



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/POWERPOINT.htm

Jane Tanner said an 80% chance of this man being Madeleine's abductor but it looks nothing like Julian Totman.

I had never seen this before but I have read that the powerpoint presentations were supplied by the McCanns to the PJ. Is this right?
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