Question about Nevill's watch

[John]

Hello John,

That does remain a difference of opinion, however, saying that, I have absolutely no idea what what recent evidence has shown to prove his guilt.

I know we disagree on this point AA, imo the original evidence was more than sufficient to justify the guilty verdict. When I came to this at the beginning I was sceptical too that this young farmer had done such a dreadful deed but over time the evidence does tell a story. If you believe Jeremy innocent then by default you have to attribute the blame to Sheila and we all know that is impossible.  The only unanswered question for me is whether Jeremy did the deed himself or paid someone else to do it. Either way, he is still guilty.

[Nicholas]

Think the confusion may lie in the telling of how the items came to be in Aunt Ags possession

More likely,

They’ll be items given to her by police

And items given to her by prison staff

Prisoners can and do hand out property - the cut off pony tail would have come from Bamber in prison, handed to a prison officer then handed to Aunt Agatha

If Aunt Agatha hasn’t thrown anything away, as she claims, she may well have the paperwork somewhere? Who knows?

Some of her original posts here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg358271.html#msg358271 were removed so it can be confusing

“Here are some items, still looking for Cartier.  I've put it somewhere safe and cannot find it.  :))

Here we have;

His hair,
His Seiko watch/computer ( which he was able to use in those days),
His camera, with original film still inside. Have never had it processed.



She originally posted photographs but then removed them. Not sure if they are the same photos she’s posted on this forum without seeing what she posted originally

Wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn Aunt Agatha brought Bamber the camera & film too!?

[Aunt Agatha]

I know we disagree on this point AA, imo the original evidence was more than sufficient to justify the guilty verdict. When I came to this at the beginning I was sceptical too that this young farmer had done such a dreadful deed but over time the evidence does tell a story. If you believe Jeremy innocent then by default you have to attribute the blame to Sheila and we all know that is impossible.

... And if by default it wasn't Sheila it had to be jeremy....

It was not Jeremy's guilt that was proven in so much as Sheila's innocence and inability to shoot her own family.

[Aunt Agatha]

Wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn Aunt Agatha brought Bamber the camera & film too!?

You stoop low sometimes.

The police delivered the camera.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I concur. However, when an adult resorts to telling an adult friend that they'd never liked them, it sounds to me more like an angry/hurt child having a hissy fit, maybe as a result of feeling their self to be rejected?

Possibly. But it’s incredibly immature, and taking into account the very short periods they were allowed visits it seems strange he’d be angry and spitting venom. Had he truly liked her he’d have been excited to see her, regardless of what orders of his she hadn’t carried out.

I think he’s so evil that he planned to abuse her to her face. He knew she was travelling all that distance...and he knew what he intended to say to her face. He got a kick out of seeing her reaction. He could have easily written to her and told her not to come...But he wanted her to spend time and money to travel, just so he could humiliate and hurt face to face.

In truth, he doesn’t really know any of these people who’ve contacted him. He only knows the parts they show him, as they do him. They can’t see inside his head. Nor do they foresee how he will callously discard them when they’re no longer of use to him.

Psychopaths don’t care about people. In just the same way he had Crispy put down, he feels the same about humans. If they get in his way, become problematic — or are if no use — he kills them or discards them.

[Nicholas]

It was not Jeremy's guilt that was proven in so much as Sheila's innocence and inability to shoot her own family.

 

[Nicholas]

You stoop low sometimes.

 

[Nicholas]

The police delivered the camera.

Prove it

[Aunt Agatha]

Possibly. But it’s incredibly immature, and taking into account the very short periods they were allowed visits it seems strange he’d be angry and spitting venom. Had he truly liked her he’d have been excited to see her, regardless of what orders of his she hadn’t carried out.

I think he’s so evil that he planned to abuse her to her face. He knew she was travelling all that distance...and he knew what he intended to say to her face. He got a kick out of seeing her reaction. He could have easily written to her and told her not to come...But he wanted her to spend time and money to travel, just so he could humiliate and hurt face to face.

In truth, he doesn’t really know any of these people who’ve contacted him. He only knows the parts they show him, as they do him. They can’t see inside his head. Nor do they foresee how he will callously discard them when they’re no longer of use to him.

Psychopaths don’t care about people. In just the same way he had Crispy put down, he feels the same about humans. If they get in his way, become problematic — or are if no use — he kills them or discards them.

Who are you relating this stuff too?

It's certainly not me!!

[John]

Its always good to hear from you Aunt Agatha, I'm quite sure you are well used to sceptics by now but that is to be expected. I recall that we have been through all this previously on probably more than one occasion so I understand your reluctance to give too much away even now. Hope you are well!

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[Nicholas]

Possibly. But it’s incredibly immature, and taking into account the very short periods they were allowed visits it seems strange he’d be angry and spitting venom. Had he truly liked her he’d have been excited to see her, regardless of what orders of his she hadn’t carried out.

I think he’s so evil that he planned to abuse her to her face. He knew she was travelling all that distance...and he knew what he intended to say to her face. He got a kick out of seeing her reaction. He could have easily written to her and told her not to come...But he wanted her to spend time and money to travel, just so he could humiliate and hurt face to face.

In truth, he doesn’t really know any of these people who’ve contacted him. He only knows the parts they show him, as they do him. They can’t see inside his head. Nor do they foresee how he will callously discard them when they’re no longer of use to him.

Psychopaths don’t care about people. In just the same way he had Crispy put down, he feels the same about humans. If they get in his way, become problematic — or are if no use — he kills them or discards them.

Some of ‘these people’ will no doubt be of similar ilk to him, albeit not convicted mass murderers

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Hold on!

Where does it state that I said he didn't like his grandmother?

Agatha, I apologise for that.

I momentarily mistook you for Daisy, another lady who Jeremy used, and then told her he’d never like her anyway.

He’s never said he disliked his grandmother, and he most certainly wouldn’t. Just like he pretends he adores his parents’...he has to say that, doesn’t he...

Regardless, whatever he thought of his grandmother, it didn’t stop him trying to protest her will when she disinherited him after he’d shot dead her daughter, son-in-law, granddaughter and great-grandchildren.

Thankfully, he failed in his greedy attempt to get his paws on the money of the mother of the woman who he’d shot between the eyes, but what he did achieve was showing his total lack of compassion, shame & regret, and highlighted his greed for money, and disrespect for his grandmother’s wishes.

[steve_trousers]

Hi John, it’s interesting that you don’t rule out a hitman. Do you think Jeremy could have entrusted such a terrible nights work to a 3rd party? It’s certainly no ordinary hit with 5 people including 2 children as the targets. Where would he have sourced such a hitman from, is my question.

[John]

Some of ‘these people’ will no doubt be of similar ilk to him, albeit not convicted mass murderers

There is a pattern with Jeremy Bamber involving his female admirers which started with Julie Mugford.

[John]

Hi John, it’s interesting that you don’t rule out a hitman. Do you think Jeremy could have entrusted such a terrible nights work to a 3rd party? It’s certainly no ordinary hit with 5 people including 2 children as the targets. Where would he have sourced such a hitman from, is my question.

If I'm honest, it was a possibility given the evidence but unlikely for the reasons you state.  Most criminals would be rightly appalled and disgusted by the murders, it would take a very deranged individual to undertake such a monstrous task for money.