Author Topic: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?  (Read 24966 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2018, 05:32:38 PM »
According to the prosecutors the lack of this diligence was a lost opportunity for the McCanns;

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

are these the ones who didnt understand the archiving process

Offline G-Unit

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2018, 05:48:54 PM »
All it would take for you to never have to repeat this bit of the legal summary again is to give a coherent analysis of how taking part in the reconstitution would have demonstrated the parents' innocence.  If it really is as simple as that, it should be very simple to explain.

I have no idea what the result would have been and neither have you. Even if I had one, my opinion carries no more weight than yours does. The opinions of the T7 are also immaterial. The facts are that;

The PJ had every right to request a reconstitution.
The T7 refused, and the Prosecutors had every right to draw conclusions about the consequences.


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Offline Lace

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2018, 06:04:12 PM »
Dear god,  one minute the McCann's are behaving weird and not caring about Madeleine because they are playing with their twins,   next they are not caring about the twins because they are flying off to put posters up in countries where they thought Madeleine had been taken to, to help find her.

It seems whatever they do is wrong  there will always be something to beat them up about.

They are not being strange and uncaring playing with their twins,  they probably felt guilty they weren't getting their attention and wanted to spend time with them to make up for all the time they hadn't been there for them.  Who wants small children seeing their parents crying and behaving how the McCann's were when Madeleine disappeared?    THAT would have been upsetting for them.   They kept their routine up so that they could carry on with their holiday and enjoy themselves as small children should.  They told them that Madeleine was missing when they asked where she was and that people were looking for her,  which is all they would be able to understand,  in the meantime they let them know that they were there for them.







Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2018, 06:13:51 PM »
I have no idea what the result would have been and neither have you. Even if I had one, my opinion carries no more weight than yours does. The opinions of the T7 are also immaterial. The facts are that;

The PJ had every right to request a reconstitution.
The T7 refused, and the Prosecutors had every right to draw conclusions about the consequences.
All it requires is for one to think it through calmly, carefully and logically to arrive at a conclusion.  I’m not bothered about how much my or your opinion weighs, but I am interested for someone (anyone) to explain how a reconstitution could have PROVED innocence.  In my opinion that would have been impossible, if you disagree I’d love to know why.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2018, 06:18:41 PM »
All it requires is for one to think it through calmly, carefully and logically to arrive at a conclusion.  I’m not bothered about how much my or your opinion weighs, but I am interested for someone (anyone) to explain how a reconstitution could have PROVED innocence.  In my opinion that would have been impossible, if you disagree I’d love to know why.

The reconstitution was to try and find out what happened to Madeleine and what opportunities there were for it to happen. While ever people are uncooperative there is suspicion about them having something to hide.

Murat appears to have cooperated fully and appears to have been “cleared”.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #80 on: June 26, 2018, 06:21:19 PM »
The reconstitution was to try and find out what happened to Madeleine and what opportunities there were for it to happen. While ever people are uncooperative there is suspicion about them having something to hide.

Murat appears to have cooperated fully and appears to have been “cleared”.

so has murat proved his innocence...portuguese style...I dont think the mccanns had anything to hide

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #81 on: June 26, 2018, 06:21:46 PM »
The reconstitution was to try and find out what happened to Madeleine and what opportunities there were for it to happen. While ever people are uncooperative there is suspicion about them having something to hide.

Murat appears to have cooperated fully and appears to have been “cleared”.
Did Murat take part in a reconstitution?  How has he been cleared?  Cite please.  You have not explained how a reconstitution would have cleared the McCanns (who were not uncooperative incidentally).
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #82 on: June 26, 2018, 06:24:47 PM »
Imagine the McCanns did know what happened to Madeleine, but rather than disappear her over dinner they waited until the middle of the night whilst they were as far as anyone was to know, fast asleep in their beds.  Would they have had to take part in a reconstitution to prove their innocence?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2018, 06:30:38 PM »
Dear god,  one minute the McCann's are behaving weird and not caring about Madeleine because they are playing with their twins,   next they are not caring about the twins because they are flying off to put posters up in countries where they thought Madeleine had been taken to, to help find her.

It seems whatever they do is wrong  there will always be something to beat them up about.

They are not being strange and uncaring playing with their twins,  they probably felt guilty they weren't getting their attention and wanted to spend time with them to make up for all the time they hadn't been there for them.  Who wants small children seeing their parents crying and behaving how the McCann's were when Madeleine disappeared?    THAT would have been upsetting for them.   They kept their routine up so that they could carry on with their holiday and enjoy themselves as small children should.  They told them that Madeleine was missing when they asked where she was and that people were looking for her,  which is all they would be able to understand,  in the meantime they let them know that they were there for them.

Except they didn’t spend time with them. One afternoon after Madeleine disappeared they were even too busy to make sure their remaining children were picked up from the kids club.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Lace

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2018, 06:32:57 PM »
Except they didn’t spend time with them. One afternoon after Madeleine disappeared they were even too busy to make sure their remaining children were picked up from the kids club.

In a meeting about Madeleine weren't they?   You know the missing daughter you said they didn't seem to care about.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2018, 06:33:28 PM »
Except they didn’t spend time with them. One afternoon after Madeleine disappeared they were even too busy to make sure their remaining children were picked up from the kids club.
”they didn’t spend time with them”.  What, never? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Lace

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2018, 06:35:11 PM »
The reconstitution was to try and find out what happened to Madeleine and what opportunities there were for it to happen. While ever people are uncooperative there is suspicion about them having something to hide.

Murat appears to have cooperated fully and appears to have been “cleared”.

Jeremy Wilkins couldn't go to the reconstruction either,  work commitments I think.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2018, 06:35:44 PM »
In a meeting about Madeleine weren't they?   You know the missing daughter you said they didn't seem to care about.
Surely not?!  Faithlilly would have you believe they were off having so much fun they completely forgot about the twins.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2018, 07:05:21 PM »
All it requires is for one to think it through calmly, carefully and logically to arrive at a conclusion.  I’m not bothered about how much my or your opinion weighs, but I am interested for someone (anyone) to explain how a reconstitution could have PROVED innocence.  In my opinion that would have been impossible, if you disagree I’d love to know why.
Do you seriously believe the objective of a reconstitution was to prove innocence or guilt?
Show us where in the Manual Tactics, Standard Operating Procedure, Mandatory Procedure call it what you will, it says that.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2018, 07:13:41 PM »
All it requires is for one to think it through calmly, carefully and logically to arrive at a conclusion.  I’m not bothered about how much my or your opinion weighs, but I am interested for someone (anyone) to explain how a reconstitution could have PROVED innocence.  In my opinion that would have been impossible, if you disagree I’d love to know why.

In my opinion you need to get over your obsession with opinions.
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