Author Topic: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?  (Read 24948 times)

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #105 on: June 26, 2018, 09:45:34 PM »
No I won’t, not until instructed that asking another’s opinion is against forum rules.

You can ask, at the moment no one has to answer.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #106 on: June 26, 2018, 09:56:18 PM »
You can ask, at the moment no one has to answer.
I’ve been instructed by another forum member not to ask others’ opinion - delighted I have your permission to keep on asking.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #107 on: June 26, 2018, 09:58:57 PM »
I’ve been instructed by another forum member not to ask others’ opinion - delighted I have your permission to keep on asking.

Just don’t get upset if you don’t get an answer.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #108 on: June 26, 2018, 10:05:31 PM »
Just don’t get upset if you don’t get an answer.
I’ve asked you a couple of questions on this thread which you have studiously ignored.  I didn’t have any expectation whatsoever of receiving a reply so don’t you worry your head about me getting upset.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #109 on: June 26, 2018, 10:06:36 PM »
I’ve asked you a couple of questions on this thread which you have studiously ignored.  I didn’t have any expectation whatsoever of receiving a reply so don’t you worry your head about me getting upset.

Remind me?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline carlymichelle

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #110 on: June 26, 2018, 10:07:59 PM »
Remind me?


 i didnt know  we  were  under arrest   do we have to answer questions on demand now?? @)(++(*

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #111 on: June 26, 2018, 10:08:54 PM »
Remind me?
No, do the work yourself, I’m not wasting my time on a fool’s errand.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #112 on: June 26, 2018, 10:53:11 PM »
I seriously believe that the reconstitution was a last ditch attempt to confirm to the PJ that the McCanns and their friends were involved in the disappearance , what do you think, if I may be so bold as to ask your opinion?

My opinion is the PJ had taken, listened to, recorded [in the wider sense of the word] statements of the main protagonists and found them to be wanting in enough respects to raise suspicion, a point raised within the archiving process.I suspect the PJ used software, we were lead to believe they did not have, to create "timeway diagrams" of the stated movements of the protagonists which reinforced their suspicion. Given there is a requirement to hold such reconstitution is there a time limit placed on it ? I "don't subscribe to the theory "well they would've (of?) fitted 'em up had they gone wouldn't they" That is too Gene Hunt for words.
In the event an opportunity for the PJ to progress the case was denied.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #113 on: June 26, 2018, 11:04:20 PM »
My opinion is the PJ had taken, listened to, recorded [in the wider sense of the word] statements of the main protagonists and found them to be wanting in enough respects to raise suspicion, a point raised within the archiving process.I suspect the PJ used software, we were lead to believe they did not have, to create "timeway diagrams" of the stated movements of the protagonists which reinforced their suspicion. Given there is a requirement to hold such reconstitution is there a time limit placed on it ? I "don't subscribe to the theory "well they would've (of?) fitted 'em up had they gone wouldn't they" That is too Gene Hunt for words.
In the event an opportunity for the PJ to progress the case was denied.
IMO once the police have formed their suspicions, then they are looking for further confirmation of their suspicions, not for any evidence to let their suspects off the hook.  That is why, if you are innocent (which I believe the Tapas group to be) you won’t be eager to play into the police’s hands, because something which may have simply been a genuine recall error (and many witnesses make them in their statements) could end up being used to further  reinforce the case the police are building against you.  At no point would a reconstitution have “proved their innocence”. it simply would not have been possible to do that, nor would it have helped to find Madeleine.  So, from the point of view of parents and friends innocent of hiding the child’s body, a reconstitution would have been at best a complete waste of time, at worst a threat to their future liberty. IMO.  Now ridicule away, as is your wont.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #114 on: June 26, 2018, 11:09:35 PM »
Dear god,  one minute the McCann's are behaving weird and not caring about Madeleine because they are playing with their twins,   next they are not caring about the twins because they are flying off to put posters up in countries where they thought Madeleine had been taken to, to help find her.

It seems whatever they do is wrong  there will always be something to beat them up about.

They are not being strange and uncaring playing with their twins,  they probably felt guilty they weren't getting their attention and wanted to spend time with them to make up for all the time they hadn't been there for them.  Who wants small children seeing their parents crying and behaving how the McCann's were when Madeleine disappeared?    THAT would have been upsetting for them.   They kept their routine up so that they could carry on with their holiday and enjoy themselves as small children should.  They told them that Madeleine was missing when they asked where she was and that people were looking for her,  which is all they would be able to understand,  in the meantime they let them know that they were there for them.


Accusing forum members of beating up the McCanns is an attack and untrue. emotive language in abundance...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #115 on: June 26, 2018, 11:16:01 PM »
IMO what makes a discussion forum interesting is not regurgitating chunks of the case files and “wondering “ about them, it’s the sharing and exchangingof  opinions and debating that keep it lively.  It seems there is a move to stamp down on this, so I would like to know if we are moving to a position on this forum where stating opinions and asking other members for their views is going to be against the rules?  It seems to make some people very uncomfortable.
in embolden,

No, it is just boring. and you do it to attack upon attack on certain members...

The opportunity was lost along with a real chance to see what could have happened in what timescale at least.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #116 on: June 26, 2018, 11:32:54 PM »
in embolden,

No, it is just boring. and you do it to attack upon attack on certain members...

The opportunity was lost along with a real chance to see what could have happened in what timescale at least.
another false accusation for which no evidence will be provided, and no apology forthcoming.  That’s just par for the course I guess...
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #117 on: June 26, 2018, 11:37:08 PM »
another false accusation for which no evidence will be provided, and no apology forthcoming.  That’s just par for the course I guess...

If you read your posts you will see the evidence quite clearly. You twist and turn sentences and accuse people of thinking this or  that ... The fact is  you have no real valid argument to offer when challenged about some of the McCanns behaviour.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #118 on: June 26, 2018, 11:48:23 PM »
If you read your posts you will see the evidence quite clearly. You twist and turn sentences and accuse people of thinking this or  that ... The fact is  you have no real valid argument to offer when challenged about some of the McCanns behaviour.
And all your posts addressed to me are an attack or accusation of one sort or another, so are you the pot or the kettle?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Carana

Re: The reconstitution, lost opportunity or a folly?
« Reply #119 on: June 26, 2018, 11:49:03 PM »
At the end of June, the first cloud appeared. A Portuguese journalist called Jes's mobile (he had left his number with the Portuguese police). The journalist, who was writing for a magazine called Sol, called Jes incessantly. We both work in television and cannot claim to be green about the media, but this was a new experience. Jes learned this the hard way. Torn between politeness and wanting to get the journalist off the line without actually saying anything, he had to put the phone down, but he had already said too much. Her article pitched the recollections of "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" against those of the "Tapas Nine", the group of friends, including the McCanns, whom we had nicknamed the Doctors. The piece was published at the end of June. Throughout July, Sol's testimony meant Jes became incorporated into all the Madeleine chronologies. More clouds began to gather - this time above our house.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann


In December 2007 Bridget O'Donnell described the events she and Jes Wilkins had experienced at the hands of the media as a result of Jes's brief conversation with Jerry McCann on May 3rd.

These are as she pointed out, two individuals who themselves could be considered media savvy but who were taken aback.  What chance did the McCann friends have given the far more intense scrutiny they were exposed to when two media professionals were left struggling by it?

Worth noting that Jes had left his mobile number with the Portuguese police and it was a Portuguese Journalist who used it to make contact with him.

It was Sol who got the Tapas booking and decided that all 14 bottles of wine were for the McCanns. I wouldn't be surprise if a lot of people still believe that to this day - how many people would bother going through the files to see if it was true or not?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2040.0