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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #150 on: August 16, 2018, 09:40:42 AM »
Why would the PJ set it up,who was it who suggested the dogs in the first place?
Once the dogs are there the PJ are looking for a way to get a confession.  It seems rather an easy thing to do.
 
Look I need to really understand the order of the alerts.  Did they examine the villa first then the apartments?  On the extended video the villa appears first but was that presented to us in the correct temporal sequence
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #151 on: August 16, 2018, 10:10:55 AM »
Once the dogs are there the PJ are looking for a way to get a confession.  It seems rather an easy thing to do.
 
Look I need to really understand the order of the alerts.  Did they examine the villa first then the apartments?  On the extended video the villa appears first but was that presented to us in the correct temporal sequence

In MG's report he describes 5A first. 

Here is a summary and the order of inspections: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm
Date: July 31st 2007 - 8pm. Report:

Participants:

PJ: Tavares A. & Ricardo P. Inspectors
UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime (UK Forensic Canine P SM Expert),
Eddie & Keela (English Springers)
Silvia B. Manager of the Ocean Club complex.

On that date, inspections were conducted in the apartments occupied by members of the McCann family as well as the group who were with them at the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance. It was only on that date that the apartment, identified as that of the parents, was empty allowing further investigation which was authorised by the respective occupants. Thus, at the appointed time, the search with the dogs began, covering the following apartments:

5A:

From 8.30pm to 9.20pm, the dogs go through.
8.20pm: The cadaver dog, "marks," the couple's wardrobe area in the bedroom.
8.22pm: The cadaver dog, "marks" an area behind the sofa in the sitting room near the window overlooking the road.
From 8.47pm to 9.20pm, the blood detecting dog goes through.
8.10 (should it be 9.10?) The dog, "marks" an area of floor behind the sofa in the sitting room, near the window overlooking the road.

5B: 9.24 to 9.27pm: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5D: 9.29 to 9.34pm: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5H : 9.35 to 9.38pm : The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

4G : 9.42 to 9.45pm : The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

Garden belonging to apartment 5A (with access via the balcony and the steps):

9.49 to 10pm: The cadaver dog "marks" an area of the garden immediately below the window.

Date: 01 ao? 2007 - 06h00

Inspection of the surrounding areas.

Date: August 1st - 6am

After evaluation of the area surrounding the Ocean Club tourist village, based in Praia da Luz, taking account of the characteristic topography of the ground and the distance from where the small child Madeleine McCann disappeared, an inspection was carried out with the help of dogs specialised in the detection of cadaver odour, in various places, such as described:

1 - At 6.40am, an area between the "Piteira" road and the "Oliveira" road, was inspected. At 7.15am the inspection was completed with nothing being detected by the dogs.

2 - At 7.25am, an area adjacent to the "BEIJAFLOR" property on the "Figueira," road, defined by the "Ramalhete" road. An inspection of the whole area was made and nothing abnormal was noted. The inspection was completed at 7.45am.

3 - At 7.55am, an area between the "Casa Azul" residence on the "Figueira" road and the "Casa Pandora" residence as well as a dirt road on the left of the "Figueira" road was inspected by the dogs without anything abnormal being noted. The inspection ended at 8.05am.

4 - At 8.20am, an area between the residences "Casa Pandora" on the "Figueira" road, "Quinta Mimosa" and "Casa Ladeira" without anything abnormal being noted. The inspection ended at 8.40am.

A photographic report of the places inspected is attached.

Initial conclusion.

To the coordinator of the criminal investigation.

Faced with new elements revealed by the dog handling unit's search, attached to the report, and on the basis of Mark Harrison's report, there is every reason to believe that the small child Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A where she was spending her holiday with her parents at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. Following the markings by the cadaver odour detecting dogs and traces of human blood inside the apartment from which the child disappeared, we have done further extensive research, revealing that there was never a death, or a body, notified in this same apartment before. In this report, several places were marked, signalling the presence of cadaver odour and human blood. In addition, we can observe that a cadaver odour was detected in the garden adjacent to apartment 5A. Nothing was detected in the other residences.

It follows from this investigation that there are indications, in practice and in the facts, of the crime of murder such as defined in ArticleQI310 of the Penal Code.

So as to go further with this lead, of which certain results may reveal new evidence, we request authorisation to carry out further inspections, within the legal framework, in two distinct places:

1 - Rue des Fleurs no...The McCann family's current residence in Portugal.
2 - Rented vehicle Renault Scenic, registration ...DA - 27.

We suggest that this inspection is entrusted to the PJ and ask the Public Prosecutor for a 20 day mandate. Thus, we consider that there are indications that consolidate strong suspicions according to which, there are elements of evidence of a crime, inside the vehicle used by the McCann's and, moreover, likely to reveal important details of fundamental importance for the investigation.

Villa rue des Fleurs.


Report:

August 2nd 2007 -6.14pm - 27 Rue das Floras- Praia Da Luz - Lagos

Participants:

PJ: Ricardo P & J. Carlos P., inspectors.
UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime & Eddie.

On that date, within the context of a residential search, carried out at the McCann couple's current residence, an inspection by a dog handling team was made. Thus, at the time indicated at the beginning of the report, all areas of the property were inspected and the following results obtained:

6.36pm - The dog Eddie, who detects cadaver odours, "marked" the area of a cupboard in the living room. On checking, the dog was indicating a pink soft toy belonging to Madeleine McCann.
The clothes.


Date: August 2nd 2007 - 11.20pm

On that date, following the home visit made to the McCann's' current residence, on the Rue des Fleurs, various items of clothing were laid out in an appropriate place for this purpose, to carry out an inspection by the dog handling unit.

The collected items of clothing were set out individually with the agreement and under the directions provided by the British technicians, the dogs having previously covered the space where the clothing was laid out.

1 - 11.20pm: Prior reconnaissance of the place by the two canine units to guarantee that the space was clear of all odours being sought. The reconnaissance was completed at 11.30pm without anything being signalled by the dogs.

2 - 11.30pm: An initial inspection by the human blood detecting dog, began with the clothing packed in the box bearing the notation: "Living room." At 11.40pm, the inspection was completed without the dog showing anything abnormal.

11.41: The canine human remains recovery dog started its inspection and "marked" various clothes. The inspection was completed at 11.52pm. The clothes were returned to their box for later use.

From 12.02am until 1.30am, (03/08/07) all the other boxes, containing clothing from the twins' bedroom, from the friends' bedroom, from the bedroom of the couple labelled 1 & 2, as well as the empty luggage, was inspected by the two dogs without conclusive results."

It was several days later the rental car was examined.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #152 on: August 16, 2018, 10:38:40 AM »
We can at least discuss it.

You can discuss anything you like, but your conclusions remain opinions without supporting evidence.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #153 on: August 16, 2018, 10:42:36 AM »
You can discuss anything you like, but your conclusions remain opinions without supporting evidence.

As do martin grime's

Offline G-Unit

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #154 on: August 16, 2018, 10:51:01 AM »
As do martin grime's

The difference being that he had years of experience and knowledge. He can testify in a court of law as a subject matter expert. Internet posters can't.

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #155 on: August 16, 2018, 10:55:21 AM »
The difference being that he had years of experience and knowledge. He can testify in a court of law as a subject matter expert. Internet posters can't.

And he can be wrong just like anyone else... As he was with CC imo...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #156 on: August 16, 2018, 11:05:21 AM »
The difference being that he had years of experience and knowledge. He can testify in a court of law as a subject matter expert. Internet posters can't.

As, with any expert his opinion may not be correct

Offline barrier

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #157 on: August 16, 2018, 11:14:13 AM »
As, with any expert his opinion may not be correct

Along with many an amateur.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #158 on: August 16, 2018, 11:16:13 AM »
As, with any expert his opinion may not be correct

On the balance of probabilities he has more chance of being right  IMO

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #159 on: August 16, 2018, 11:18:36 AM »
On the balance of probabilities he has more chance of being right IMO

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That shows, a complete lack of understanding imo
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #160 on: August 16, 2018, 11:20:22 AM »
Cite for vested interest.... That shows, a complete lack of understanding imo

It does appear to be a go to subject.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #161 on: August 16, 2018, 11:35:56 AM »
It does appear to be a go to subject.

Then it is opinion not fact

Offline G-Unit

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #162 on: August 16, 2018, 12:12:43 PM »
Cite for vested interest.... That shows, a complete lack of understanding imo

I put IMO.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #163 on: August 16, 2018, 12:20:44 PM »
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?
« Reply #164 on: August 16, 2018, 12:36:03 PM »
On the balance of probabilities he has more chance of being right  IMO

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He just left it to the PJ to find the corroborating evidence.  Who says he was wrong?  His dog alerts and he says it was an alert, it was just odd he never said Eddie alerted twice in the dining room.
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