What evidence would confirm a cadaver dog alert?

[Vertigo Swirl]

That is why I asked,so Grime was ahead of the game.

And therefore beyond criticism as far as some are concerned.

[G-Unit]

If you were at the Hillsborough stadium disaster as a spectator you would not feel it your place to criticise the police for the way they handled the crowds then, seeing as you are not an expert in crowd control?

I don't have any knowledge or experience of crowd control so my opinion would have been just as worthless  as those pontificating about dog alerts who have no knowledge or experience of how that works.

[barrier]

And therefore beyond criticism as far as some are concerned.

The criticism obviously come from those that don't understand Enhanced Victim Recovery Dogs.A completely new field limited to very few it seems.

[Sunny]

IMO anyone can criticize anyone they want as long as it is valid criticism. This goes for Martin Grime or the McCanns themselves.

What is interesting in this case is that all the supporters (with the possible exception of Brietta) are very keen for Martin Grime to be discredited to varying degrees.

Now why would that be if the dog alerts are not evidence or of any importance at all.

[Robittybob1]

IMO anyone can criticize anyone they want as long as it is valid criticism. This goes for Martin Grime or the McCanns themselves.

What is interesting in this case is that all the supporters (with the possible exception of Brietta) are very keen for Martin Grime to be discredited to varying degrees.

Now why would that be if the dog alerts are not evidence or of any importance at all.

If the dog alerts were evidence they appear to show a cadaver was associated with the McCanns.
It certainly is a great mystery how there came to be so many alerts.

I have attempted to show that some of the alerts were not due to the activities of the McCanns but were probably a ruse by the PJ to elicit a confession.  Will they ever admit to that tactic, a tactic that is used all over the world to get to the truth.
The question then becomes was Martin Grime aware the PJ were generating faked alerts?  I then question the forum for an answer as to why the alerts to Cuddle Cat are so confused, there are different rooms described as to the location.

I go so far as to say the only alerts that are provable to be genuine are the ones the PJ attempt to recover corroborating evidence from.  But I do also accept the alert in the main bedroom of 5A as it was the first alert made.  They wouldn't be attempting to fake alerts on the first day that would make no sense IMO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

IMO anyone can criticize anyone they want as long as it is valid criticism. This goes for Martin Grime or the McCanns themselves.

What is interesting in this case is that all the supporters (with the possible exception of Brietta) are very keen for Martin Grime to be discredited to varying degrees.

Now why would that be if the dog alerts are not evidence or of any importance at all.

That is an unfounded allegation, expressed as a fact.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I don't have any knowledge or experience of crowd control so my opinion would have been just as worthless  as those pontificating about dog alerts who have no knowledge or experience of how that works.

What a ridiculous response IMO.  You don’t need to be a crowd control expert to see that the crowd was not controlled by those responsible, leading to the deaths of dozens.  It is therefore legitimate for a non-expert to criticise the experts, if it wasn’t justice would never have been done in that particular case.

[Mr Gray]

IMO anyone can criticize anyone they want as long as it is valid criticism. This goes for Martin Grime or the McCanns themselves.

What is interesting in this case is that all the supporters (with the possible exception of Brietta) are very keen for Martin Grime to be discredited to varying degrees.

Now why would that be if the dog alerts are not evidence or of any importance at all.

Because it's, a discussion forum and I feel my criticism is valid and supported by evidence

[Robittybob1]

Because it's, a discussion forum and I feel my criticism is valid and supported by evidence

we sometimes agree.

[G-Unit]

What a ridiculous response IMO.  You don’t need to be a crowd control expert to see that the crowd was not controlled by those responsible, leading to the deaths of dozens.  It is therefore legitimate for a non-expert to criticise the experts, if it wasn’t justice would never have been done in that particular case.

A friend who was there told us that same evening that it was caused by the police. I believed that he sincerely believed that, but I didn't know he was right until many years later. The newspapers got that one spectacularly  wrong, didn't they? A lot of Liverpudlians have never forgiven the Sun in particular and Liverpool FC banned it's journalists from Anfield last year.

[Vertigo Swirl]

A friend who was there told us that same evening that it was caused by the police. I believed that he sincerely believed that, but I didn't know he was right until many years later. The newspapers got that one spectacularly  wrong, didn't they? A lot of Liverpudlians have never forgiven the Sun in particular and Liverpool FC banned it's journalists from Anfield last year.

All very interesting, as it goes to prove that a non-expert can criticise an expert and be proven 100% correct in their criticism, thanks for sharing.

[slartibartfast]

All very interesting, as it goes to prove that a non-expert can criticise an expert and be proven 100% correct in their criticism, thanks for sharing.

You will have to identify the players from the anecdote for your assertion. I think you have got it wrong.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You will have to identify the players from the anecdote for your assertion. I think you have got it wrong.

I am not wrong to say that experts in whatever field can be criticized by non experts and that those criticisms can be perfectly valid.  If you think that’s incorrect then feel free to explain why.  I look forward to reading your snswer in the morning.

[slartibartfast]

I am not wrong to say that experts in whatever field can be criticized by non experts and that those criticisms can be perfectly valid.  If you think that’s incorrect then feel free to explain why.  I look forward to reading your snswer in the morning.

I am trying to understand how your response to G-units post fits?

[Sunny]

I am not wrong to say that experts in whatever field can be criticized by non experts and that those criticisms can be perfectly valid.  If you think that’s incorrect then feel free to explain why.  I look forward to reading your snswer in the morning.

The point is Vertigo Swirl that many of us have been to large concerts or sports events so we see what normally happens when police and security carry out crowd control.  There fore it could well be easy to spot things that the police did wrong in the Hillsborough incident.   

I doubt that any of us have seen a cadaver dog working so your example doesn't work IMO.