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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on January 25, 2020, 11:25:01 AM

Title: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 25, 2020, 11:25:01 AM
I thought I would do my bit yesterday to help the High St and bricks and mortars retailers.  Went into WHS with a view to buying CC's book which I was told wasn't in stock but I could order it.  The person I initially spoke with was an older lady who hadn't been trained to order.  She called through to her supervisor to see if she could order the book but it transpired she also hadn't been trained.  I asked to speak with the store manager and the supervisor appeared, a young woman in her 20's, who wanted to know what it was about.  I explained about the difficulties ordering the book and she apologised saying all those that had been trained were either off sick or on their days off.  I said I would like to speak with the manager.  Some minutes later she appeared and I was told the manager was on the phone and unlikely to be free for 20 minutes.  Needless to say I went home and ordered online. 

Anyway has anyone read the updated book yet?

Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Caroline on January 25, 2020, 12:37:25 PM
I thought I would do my bit yesterday to help the High St and bricks and mortars retailers.  Went into WHS with a view to buying CC's book which I was told wasn't in stock but I could order it.  The person I initially spoke with was an older lady who hadn't been trained to order.  She called through to her supervisor to see if she could order the book but it transpired she also hadn't been trained.  I asked to speak with the store manager and the supervisor appeared, a young woman in her 20's, who wanted to know what it was about.  I explained about the difficulties ordering the book and she apologised saying all those that had been trained were either off sick or on their days off.  I said I would like to speak with the manager.  Some minutes later she appeared and I was told the manager was on the phone and unlikely to be free for 20 minutes.  Needless to say I went home and ordered online. 

Anyway has anyone read the updated book yet?

No wonder the high street is on it's knees. I've got it but haven't had time to read it yet. The new part is just a few chapters.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Myster on January 25, 2020, 01:15:55 PM
Two new chapters + acknowledgements, around 24 more pages in total, covering such things as the CoLP wanting the twins' milk teeth, his daughter finding the cs photo of Sheila on the net, and a sculptor's life in Cornwall.

Photos, now at the end instead of the middle, same as in the original plus a couple of different ones, but smaller and poorer quality, being printed on cheap paperback paper.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 03, 2020, 08:22:51 PM
I've received my copy now and read the additional chapters.  Have to say I'm somewhat what disappointed.  All seems a bit cheap to me with the little marker highlighting 'Now a major TV drama'.

Nothing about the proceeds going to charity.  Why would a father want to enter into such a commercial arrangement some 34 years on when he has rebuilt his life?
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Caroline on February 03, 2020, 08:25:13 PM
I've received my copy now and read the additional chapters.  Have to say I'm somewhat what disappointed.  All seems a bit cheap to me with the little marker highlighting 'Now a major TV drama'.

Nothing about the proceeds going to charity.  Why would a father want to enter into such a commercial arrangement some 34 years on when he has rebuilt his life?

Why should Colin give the proceeds to charity?
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: G-Unit on February 05, 2020, 06:05:29 PM
I think I just wasted £7.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: barrier on February 05, 2020, 06:33:29 PM
I think I just wasted £7.

In what respect G,learning nothing new?
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: G-Unit on February 05, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
In what respect G,learning nothing new?

I thought I might learn about the people involved, but I mostly learned about the author.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Amanda3266 on February 05, 2020, 07:17:56 PM
I've received my copy now and read the additional chapters.  Have to say I'm somewhat what disappointed.  All seems a bit cheap to me with the little marker highlighting 'Now a major TV drama'.

Nothing about the proceeds going to charity.  Why would a father want to enter into such a commercial arrangement some 34 years on when he has rebuilt his life?


Why would he donate the proceeds to charity?

Personally I thought  his book was really good in showing how he explored his grief and his open minded approach to different ways of doing so.

In addition he looked very much at Jeremy being a victim of his upbringing just as Sheila was. Both adopted, both then sent away to boarding school at a young age. Neither shown much affection by June and even though Neville was more affectionate he was overwhelmingly busy running a farm.

June doesn’t come across well as a parent for either Sheila or Jeremy both of whom needed far more in the way of affection than they experienced. Then you have June’s mental illness and her religious mania .

I’ve always thought Jeremy guilty but part of my interest is what led him there and I like that Colin makes an attempt to understand this.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Myster on February 05, 2020, 07:28:33 PM
I thought I might learn about the people involved, but I mostly learned about the author.
For an in-depth look at the Bamber family history and police investigation, you would have been better spending the same amount on CAL's paperback.  I've bought a few books from 'wordery' in the past, promptly delivered, well packaged and can recommend them ...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Murders-at-White-House-Farm-Jeremy-Bamber-and-the-killing-o-9781529013313/312913129053?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Dc1c95115e5004cebba9ebe3b0845f6c7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dsb%26sd%3D302748629840%26itm%3D312913129053%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Murders-at-White-House-Farm-Jeremy-Bamber-and-the-killing-o-9781529013313/312913129053?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Dc1c95115e5004cebba9ebe3b0845f6c7%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dsb%26sd%3D302748629840%26itm%3D312913129053%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851)
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 05, 2020, 07:38:41 PM
Why should Colin give the proceeds to charity?

I didn't say he should.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 05, 2020, 07:49:27 PM
I thought I might learn about the people involved, but I mostly learned about the author.

Hi G-Unit

Good to see you here.  I know you're super analytical so look forward to your contribution as and when.

I guess all the books have something to offer but I would recommend Roger Wilkes 'Blood Relations' and Carole Anne Lee's book.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Caroline on February 05, 2020, 08:00:25 PM
I didn't say he should.

No but the insinuation was there.  8(0(*
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 05, 2020, 08:06:55 PM

Why would he donate the proceeds to charity?

Personally I thought  his book was really good in showing how he explored his grief and his open minded approach to different ways of doing so.

In addition he looked very much at Jeremy being a victim of his upbringing just as Sheila was. Both adopted, both then sent away to boarding school at a young age. Neither shown much affection by June and even though Neville was more affectionate he was overwhelmingly busy running a farm.

June doesn’t come across well as a parent for either Sheila or Jeremy both of whom needed far more in the way of affection than they experienced. Then you have June’s mental illness and her religious mania .

I’ve always thought Jeremy guilty but part of my interest is what led him there and I like that Colin makes an attempt to understand this.

I was referring to the re-launch with the two additional chapters.

I believe CAL sought out CC circa 2015 with a view to contributing something to her book.  CC declined but CAL was able to include an email from CC where he seemed to say he wished the whole thing would go away; that he had rebuilt his life and was upset when his daughter found soc images of SC online.  In which case why decide to get involved in 2020?

Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 05, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
No but the insinuation was there.  8(0(*

Well its what authors do if they don't wish to be seen to make a personal gain out of another's loss, isn't it? 
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 05, 2020, 08:34:24 PM

Why would he donate the proceeds to charity?

Personally I thought  his book was really good in showing how he explored his grief and his open minded approach to different ways of doing so.

In addition he looked very much at Jeremy being a victim of his upbringing just as Sheila was. Both adopted, both then sent away to boarding school at a young age. Neither shown much affection by June and even though Neville was more affectionate he was overwhelmingly busy running a farm.

June doesn’t come across well as a parent for either Sheila or Jeremy both of whom needed far more in the way of affection than they experienced. Then you have June’s mental illness and her religious mania .

I’ve always thought Jeremy guilty but part of my interest is what led him there and I like that Colin makes an attempt to understand this.

Yes he does attempt to understand much which is why I was surprised when he appeared on one of the daytime TV progs saying he started to have doubts about JB based on his behaviour post murders.  I would have thought CC more than most with all his grief training would understand that everyone grieves differently!
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: steve_trousers on February 05, 2020, 10:03:09 PM
Yes, Colin more than most should understand that. That Grief could also manifest itself as a well timed collapse just as the cortege rounds the corner and into the view of the waiting press cameras...
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Nicholas on February 05, 2020, 10:34:06 PM
Yes he does attempt to understand much which is why I was surprised when he appeared on one of the daytime TV progs saying he started to have doubts about JB based on his behaviour post murders.  I would have thought CC more than most with all his grief training would understand that everyone grieves differently!

Would be interested to hear how you believe psychopathic individuals grieve Holly
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 05, 2020, 11:01:59 PM
Would be interested to hear how you believe psychopathic individuals grieve Holly

JB has never been diagnosed with psychopathy or any other personality disorder/mental illness.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Nicholas on February 05, 2020, 11:24:03 PM
JB has never been diagnosed with psychopathy or any other personality disorder/mental illness.

You think he’s serving a full life tariff because he’s ‘normal’?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 05, 2020, 11:34:18 PM
You think he’s serving a full life tariff because he’s ‘normal’? 

I think he's serving a full life tarrif because he's a miscarriage of justice.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Nicholas on February 05, 2020, 11:36:28 PM
European Court finds three British murderers’ imprisonment for life is not inhumame

‘In the case of Mr Bamber, the High Court concluded that,

‘.....as well as reports on the behaviour and progress he had made in prison, there was no reason to depart from the view held in 1988 by the Lord Chief of Justice and the Secretary of State that he should never be released.

Do you have copies of those reports Holly?

Do the CT?
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: steve_trousers on February 07, 2020, 06:39:49 PM
A question for anyone who has read the book. Does it state whether Colin still has any contact with Pete & Ann ?
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Myster on February 07, 2020, 06:47:24 PM
A question for anyone who has read the book. Does it state whether Colin still has any contact with Pete & Ann ?
None that I can recall.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Caroline on February 07, 2020, 07:57:38 PM
A question for anyone who has read the book. Does it state whether Colin still has any contact with Pete & Ann ?

It doesn't mention that but given that he didn't really have contact with them before, I doubt he has contact now.
Title: Re: CC's Up-dated Book
Post by: Holly Goodhead on February 07, 2020, 08:20:28 PM
European Court finds three British murderers’ imprisonment for life is not inhumame

‘In the case of Mr Bamber, the High Court concluded that,

‘.....as well as reports on the behaviour and progress he had made in prison, there was no reason to depart from the view held in 1988 by the Lord Chief of Justice and the Secretary of State that he should never be released.

Do you have copies of those reports Holly?

Do the CT?

No.