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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Myster on February 05, 2020, 05:16:52 AM
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... in which Julie reveals all!
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... in which Julie reveals all!
I'm well prepared then. Sat there last night and read about a dozen pages of her statement. For a few moments, the fence started creaking!
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I'm well prepared then. Sat there last night and read about a dozen pages of her statement. For a few moments, the fence started creaking!
But to which side would you have fallen?
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... in which Julie reveals all!
Should be interesting as to how they portray her and her cheque fraud shenanigans.
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But to which side would you have fallen?
Your side, Caroline, but don't count your chickens !!
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Your side, Caroline, but don't count your chickens !!
The grass is greener on this side, mainly because there's plentiful rainfall which floods the worm burrows, forces them out and provides abundant nutrition for Caroline's countless chickens.
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Your side, Caroline, but don't count your chickens !!
OK @)(++(* @)(++(*
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Still no mention of the cheque fraud perpetrated by Mugford but I must admit I felt sorry for Taff tonight when the entire enquiry team shat on him and indicated that Bamber and not Sheila was the murderer.
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JBs actions throughout the case would imply that he is a complete b........ and capable of anything. From what ive seen, he is devoid of any empathy and morals whatsoever. I hope his fellow prisoners are watching this series with a kettle and a sugar bowl at the ready.
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Still no mention of the cheque fraud perpetrated by Mugford but I must admit I was sorry for Taff tonight when the entire enquiry team shat on him and indicated that Bamber and not Sheila was the murderer.
But they were asked what's your gut instinct nothing about evidence!?
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Final tragic twist of the Jeremy Bamber killings: His adopted sister 'Bambi', who was one of five shot dead at family farm, had been overjoyed to meet her birth mother for the first time just months before slaughter
One of Sheila's closest friends, Tora Tomkinson, witnessed that first meeting between mother and daughter at her North London flat. As she exclusively told the Mail this week:
'It really was a privilege to see how well the two of them got on. We were sat there on the sofa and into the room came this ray of light. She was equally as beautiful and equally as lovely as her daughter.
'It was so nice to see Bambi so in tune with this woman who was her real mother when she was so out of kilter with her adoptive mother.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7971451/How-Jeremy-Bambers-sister-Bambi-overjoyed-meet-birth-mother-months-murder.html
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JBs actions throughout the case would imply that he is a complete b........ and capable of anything. From what ive seen, he is devoid of any empathy and morals whatsoever. I hope his fellow prisoners are watching this series with a kettle and a sugar bowl at the ready.
He's probably behind his door now for his own protection.
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Final tragic twist of the Jeremy Bamber killings: His adopted sister 'Bambi', who was one of five shot dead at family farm, had been overjoyed to meet her birth mother for the first time just months before slaughter
One of Sheila's closest friends, Tora Tomkinson, witnessed that first meeting between mother and daughter at her North London flat. As she exclusively told the Mail this week:
'It really was a privilege to see how well the two of them got on. We were sat there on the sofa and into the room came this ray of light. She was equally as beautiful and equally as lovely as her daughter.
'It was so nice to see Bambi so in tune with this woman who was her real mother when she was so out of kilter with her adoptive mother.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7971451/How-Jeremy-Bambers-sister-Bambi-overjoyed-meet-birth-mother-months-murder.html
Did her real mother play any part publicly in later years after Bamber was convicted or did she, as I suspect, slip back into obscurity in Canada too?
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The look on Taff Jones face was priceless when his entire team indicated to the Det Superintendent that they were of the opinion that Jeremy Bamber did it. If indeed it happened like that he must have felt a right charlie. Believe you me, police officers can be extremely nasty to their colleagues when out of the public eye.
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The look on Taff Jones face was priceless when his entire team indicated to the Det Superintendent that they were of the opinion that Jeremy Bamber did it. If indeed it happened like that he must have felt a right charlie. Believe you me, police officers can be extremely nasty to their colleagues when out of the public eye.
I wonder if it really happened as in the TV programme, or whether Taff was let go quietly. It did all seem a bit too dramatic!
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Did her real mother play any part publicly in later years after Bamber was convicted or did she, as I suspect, slip back into obscurity in Canada too?
To my knowledge Sheila's birth mother has never made any public comment on the case.
Unlike Bambers real parents who paid tribute to Nevill and June, and called Jeremy a monster or something along those lines.
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Watching on catch up now,so in her interview she's describing the murder scene,how would she know this with out Bamber telling her?
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Did he also try and sell the explicit photo's of Sheila to the press?
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Did he also try and sell the explicit photo's of Sheila to the press?
Yes, Jeremy and his mate Brett Collins tried selling topless photo's to a tabloid, who refused on the grounds of decency
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Yes, Jeremy and his mate Brett Collins tried selling topless photo's to a tabloid, who refused on the grounds of decency
What a thoroughly nice fella Bamber is. 8()(((@#
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Watching on catch up now,so in her interview she's describing the murder scene,how would she know this with out Bamber telling her?
Because much of it had been reported in the press.
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Because much of it had been reported in the press.
The window latch?
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The look on Taff Jones face was priceless when his entire team indicated to the Det Superintendent that they were of the opinion that Jeremy Bamber did it. If indeed it happened like that he must have felt a right charlie. Believe you me, police officers can be extremely nasty to their colleagues when out of the public eye.
Wilkes's book said it happened like that. Everyone else saying they thought it was Bamber. Although there were less people in the room.
Don't know if he was told Ainsley was taking over at the same meeting.
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If Taff had said he had changed his mind at the meeting, it was too late.
Essex Police HQ had to be seen to be doing something after the mistakes in the first month. Of which Taff was in charge.
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The window latch?
Not sure about the latch. Good point!
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Surely Julie did not read all of this in the newspapers -
There was a valuble pidgeon clock, valuable china and silver at WHF.
The outside doors were locked every night.
There was a downstairs window which latched shut when exiting.
There was a kitchen fight during the massacre.
Neville received seven shots.
The twins were shot in their sleep.
Sheila had a bible by her chest.
There was going to be a phone call from WHF to Bamber's cottage from MM.
There was a phone at WHF which had a last number redial record.
Bamber had started conversations at supper about fostering.
Sheila was shot last.
June was shot in her bed.
Everyone was asleep. Except Neville.
Sheila was shot under the chin.
The twins were shot first.
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The window latch?
JM did not tell EP anything that either hadn't been discussed by others and/or was capable of being verified. Eg the possibility a window could be shut from outside (discussed by relatives/police) and fall into the closed position and/or that JB hired a hitman (incapable of being verified).
Interestingly the blood flake supposedly found inside the silencer wasn't identified at the lab until 14th Sept which was a few days after she supposedly spilled the beans but not a word in any of her police interviews/wit stats re the silencer. And much of what JM told police was factually wrong eg about NB's gunshot wounds and where SC was found.
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Nevill receiving 7 shots is wrong. Bamber may have lost count.
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Wilkes's book said it happened like that. Everyone else saying they thought it was Bamber. Although there were less people in the room.
Don't know if he was told Ainsley was taking over at the same meeting.
The above was also dramatised in one of the earlier dramas but with fewer people possibly 4. From memory I think it was Crimes That Shook Britain.
They are asked who they think dunnit. I think Di Miller is quoted as saying something about the witness ie JM and the silencer.
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Nevill receiving 7 shots is wrong. Bamber may have lost count.
NB sustained 7 entry wounds and 1 exit/graze wound so I guess herein lies the confusion.
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Did he also try and sell the explicit photo's of Sheila to the press?
How would any us know the exact nature of the images and what conversations took place? JB and BC v Hack at The Sun.
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A compliant Sheila being shot last has never sat comfortably with me. My theory is that the sleeping twins were shot last and that Sheila agreed to be compliant on the understanding that Bamber wouldn't hurt the twins. I don't see her being complaint for any other reason.
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A compliant Sheila being shot last has never sat comfortably with me. My theory is that the sleeping twins were shot last and that Sheila agreed to be compliant on the understanding that Bamber wouldn't hurt the twins. I don't see her being complaint for any other reason.
She was obviously very trusting then if she had/seen heard her parents sustaining multiple gunshot wounds and JB was able to convince SC to lie down on the floor whilst he lined up the rifle vertically across her body with the silencer pressed under her chin but he wasn't going to hurt the twins.
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Bamber may have been mistaken telling Julie Nevill was shot 7 times. However he would have known he shot the twins first.
With a silencer attached & everyone else asleep behind closed doors, no one would wake when the twins were shot once each.
A few seconds later he entered the main bedroom. Planning to fire 8 bullets. Which would leave one for Sheila.
Nevill waking meant he had to find a plan B.
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A compliant Sheila being shot last has never sat comfortably with me. My theory is that the sleeping twins were shot last and that Sheila agreed to be compliant on the understanding that Bamber wouldn't hurt the twins. I don't see her being complaint for any other reason.
It does make sense, seeing as the twins posed the least threat out of them all. Worst case scenario if they woke up at some point all they could realistically do is hide.
Being scared out of her wits a bank job style threat such as "DOWN!, DOWN!, GET ON YOUR BACK, F****** DOWN NOW!" from the armed perp would have had the same effect without necessarily bringing the kids into it. I can see how Bamber might have wanted to keep dialog to a minimum and just get the business over with.
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Why shoot everyone else so many times, unless the shooter was deranged?
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Why shoot everyone else so many times, unless the shooter was deranged?
To make it appear as if a deranged person did it.
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How would any us know the exact nature of the images and what conversations took place? JB and BC v Hack at The Sun.
Because Colin confirms that the way they were described to Fielder, was exactly the terminology used by Jeremy to described said pictures to him.
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A compliant Sheila being shot last has never sat comfortably with me. My theory is that the sleeping twins were shot last and that Sheila agreed to be compliant on the understanding that Bamber wouldn't hurt the twins. I don't see her being complaint for any other reason.
Or they were shot first and she felt there wss nothing left to live for.
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Bamber attempting an 11 shot massacre could still make it look like Sheila was randomly shooting. By shooting June in various places.
Once he had to re load once, he might as well re load twice.
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Bamber attempting an 11 shot massacre could still make it look like Sheila was randomly shooting. By shooting June in various places.
Once he had to re load once, he might as well re load twice.
Aye. Did he get some kind of warped pleasure out of shooting June in various places?
Does anyone know if he paid her back in full for bailing him out financially in NZ?
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Aye. Did he get some kind of warped pleasure out of shooting June in various places?
Does anyone know if he paid her back in full for bailing him out financially in NZ?
I very much doubt it. It went the same way as the nine hundred and eighty quid that he rifled from Osea.... Written off.
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To make it appear as if a deranged person did it.
Cold and calculated for that very reason.
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Cold and calculated for that very reason.
If he wanted to leave everyone with the impression SC was responsible, who had limited experience/knowledge with firearms, why not complete the massacre with 10/11 shots which would require only 1 load ie the load he primed before he left the farm?
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Because Colin confirms that the way they were described to Fielder, was exactly the terminology used by Jeremy to described said pictures to him.
What does this prove?
Even if JB did offer up explicit images of SC what does it prove? It shows him as being immature, but then he was only 24 yoa, and it shows him exercising poor juudgement and being crass and insensitive. It doesn't show who pulled the trigger.
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Why shoot everyone else so many times, unless the shooter was deranged?
The rifle was low powered Eleanor so he had to shoot everyone multiple times. I think Bamber overestimated the power of his rifle and ran out of shells too quickly meaning he had to scarper downstairs for more ammo and that gave Nevill the opportunity to try to get help. But Bamber clobbered him with the rifle butt and a fight ensued. This is the fight some including Holly would have us believe that Sheila was involved in yet there wasn't a mark on her and no blood spatter on her or her clothing.
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The rifle was low powered Eleanor so he had to shoot everyone multiple times. I think Bamber overestimated the power of his rifle and ran out of shells too quickly meaning he had to scarper downstairs for more ammo.
It wasn't low powered at all:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11191.msg570652#msg570652
So many shots were required as the perp was inexperienced with firearms and was hitting limbs (June) and the torso (NB).
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Or they were shot first and she felt there wss nothing left to live for.
No, I don't buy into that scenario. Sheila would have gone berserk had she seen her boys murdered and that would have caused Bamber a massive problem.
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It wasn't low powered at all:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11191.msg570652#msg570652
So many shots were required as the perp was inexperienced with firearms and was hitting limbs (June) and the torso (NB).
You obviously don't know your guns Holly. A 38 revolver would have killed everyone instantly with one strategic shot. The .22 rifle with gaming ammo is for shooting rabbits, crows and pigeons.
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What does this prove?
Even if JB did offer up explicit images of SC what does it prove? It shows him as being immature, but then he was only 24 yoa, and it shows him exercising poor juudgement and being crass and insensitive. It doesn't show who pulled the trigger.
Immature my ass, it clearly shows what sort of a depraved monster he is. And you lend support to such a creature? Sorry if this offends but it has to be said.
I'm off out to get my Chinese... hopefully minus the coronavirus @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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You obviously don't know your guns Holly. A 38 revolver would have killed everyone instantly with one strategic shot. The .22 rifle with gaming ammo is for shooting rabbits, crows and pigeons.
Neither it seems do you Angelo. The maths and physics speak for themselves. This can be evidenced by the case of David Bain where victims died from single gunshots fired from a. 22 rifle.
Furthermore the bullets were hollow nosed.
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Neither it seems do you Angelo. The maths and physics speak for themselves. This can be evidenced by the case of David Bain where victims died from single gunshots fired from a. 22 rifle.
Furthermore the bullets were hollow nosed.
Different charge Holly. Why do you think police use magnum shells?
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Different charge Holly. Why do you think police use magnum shells?
No idea what you mean by charge?
Hollow nosed bullets were used at the shooting incident at WHF and are the most lethal:
https://youtu.be/xb9nXeXqEho
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No idea what you mean by charge?
Hollow nosed bullets were used at the shooting incident at WHF and are the most lethal:
https://youtu.be/xb9nXeXqEho
https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/
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No idea what you mean by charge?
Hollow nosed bullets were used at the shooting incident at WHF and are the most lethal:
https://youtu.be/xb9nXeXqEho
Which sort of proves my point.
Overpressure ammunition, commonly designated as +P or +P+, is small arms ammunition that has been loaded to a higher internal pressure than is standard for ammunition of its caliber (see internal ballistics), but less than the pressures generated by a proof round. This is done typically to produce rounds with a higher muzzle velocity and stopping power, such as ammunition used for defensive purposes. Because of this, +P ammunition is typically found in handgun calibers which might be used for defensive purposes.
Generally, the “magnum” fires precisely the same bullet but it fires it from a longer cartridge. That longer cartridge contains more propellant, so, if the gun is properly engineered, the bullet will leave the gun at a higher velocity than the standard gun/cartridge. ... Magnum means “bigger cartridge”.
As I stated previously, the ammo Bamber was using was only suitable for shooting small animals and birds and not human beings.
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Which sort of proves my point.
Overpressure ammunition, commonly designated as +P or +P+, is small arms ammunition that has been loaded to a higher internal pressure than is standard for ammunition of its caliber (see internal ballistics), but less than the pressures generated by a proof round. This is done typically to produce rounds with a higher muzzle velocity and stopping power, such as ammunition used for defensive purposes. Because of this, +P ammunition is typically found in handgun calibers which might be used for defensive purposes.
Generally, the “magnum” fires precisely the same bullet but it fires it from a longer cartridge. That longer cartridge contains more propellant, so, if the gun is properly engineered, the bullet will leave the gun at a higher velocity than the standard gun/cartridge. ... Magnum means “bigger cartridge”.
As I stated previously, the ammo Bamber was using was only suitable for shooting small animals and birds and not human beings.
Wouldn't Bamber have known this, since he was experienced with guns? Why do you think he didn't use a different gun with different ammo?
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Which sort of proves my point.
Overpressure ammunition, commonly designated as +P or +P+, is small arms ammunition that has been loaded to a higher internal pressure than is standard for ammunition of its caliber (see internal ballistics), but less than the pressures generated by a proof round. This is done typically to produce rounds with a higher muzzle velocity and stopping power, such as ammunition used for defensive purposes. Because of this, +P ammunition is typically found in handgun calibers which might be used for defensive purposes.
Generally, the “magnum” fires precisely the same bullet but it fires it from a longer cartridge. That longer cartridge contains more propellant, so, if the gun is properly engineered, the bullet will leave the gun at a higher velocity than the standard gun/cartridge. ... Magnum means “bigger cartridge”.
As I stated previously, the ammo Bamber was using was only suitable for shooting small animals and birds and not human beings.
Are you suggesting the rifle and ammo used at WHF were insufficient to cause death from a single gunshot to head or major organ?
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Perhaps a deranged person did do it.
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Yes, he was deranged... very deranged, with the thoughts of getting one over the cops and a near half-million inheritance he would pocket for very little effort.
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Yes, he was deranged... very deranged, with the thoughts of getting one over the cops and a near half-million inheritance he would pocket for very little effort.
Or cold and calculated,he thought it through,using so many shots when less may well have been sufficient.
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Are you suggesting the rifle and ammo used at WHF were insufficient to cause death from a single gunshot to head or major organ?
That was surely the thinking behind Bambers continual shooting,he knew but had to make it look as if it was someone who didn't.
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Or cold and calculated,he thought it through,using so many shots when less may well have been sufficient.
Indeed, it would serve dual purposes. He could really go to town on his mother for having the temerity to demand repayment for bailing him out in NZ.
Oh yes, he took sick pleasure out of making June suffer alright
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Indeed, it would serve dual purposes. He could really go to town on his mother for having the temerity to demand repayment for bailing him out in NZ.
Oh yes, he took sick pleasure out of making June suffer alright
Thats not going to come out in his defence is it.
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Thats not going to come out in his defence is it.
Nope. Remember that sick and twisted 'great bamber bake off' a few years ago? taking a crap on his mothers memory for laughs
“Jeremy has spoken about his mum’s love of baking and now it’s your turn. It’s time to get creative as Jeremy shares some of his favourite childhood recipes with us.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1230402/killer-jeremy-bamber-family-murderer-crime-latest
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That was surely the thinking behind Bambers continual shooting,he knew but had to make it look as if it was someone who didn't.
It was actually rather clever. Similar to Les Dawson, who could play the piano extremely well, giving a deliberately bad performance. It takes some skill.
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It was actually rather clever. Similar to Les Dawson, who could play the piano extremely well, giving a deliberately bad performance. It takes some skill.
Perversely,Bambers defenders probably don't give him the intelligence.
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That was surely the thinking behind Bambers continual shooting,he knew but had to make it look as if it was someone who didn't.
And yet in squandering so many bullets it meant the perp had to reload at least twice; a task some think beyond SC's capabilities.
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And yet in squandering so many bullets it meant the perp had to reload at least twice; a task some think beyond SC's capabilities.
With not a blemish on her perfect nail varnish? squandering bullets as you put it is setting up a crime scene.Any evidence that she was proficient in reloading,remember the defence of Bamber is that Sheila went loopy,is that the act of some one who is not compos mentis?
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With not a blemish on her perfect nail varnish? squandering bullets as you put it is setting up a crime scene.Any evidence that she was proficient in reloading,remember the defence of Bamber is that Sheila went loopy,is that the act of some one who is not compos mentis?
What experience do you have of polished nails which makes you think if SC was the perp she would have damaged her nails/polish?
Squandering bullets wasn't setting the scene when it meant the perp had to reload at least twice which we're told was beyond SC.
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So Jeremy Bamber indulges in many wild shots to implicate Sheila and leaves victims able to try to defend themselves.
Sorry, not getting this.
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So Jeremy Bamber indulges in many wild shots to implicate Sheila and leaves victims able to try to defend themselves.
Sorry, not getting this.
Ruling out the twins, naturally. I think shock and pain would have incapacitated their ability to defend themselves. The shots may have been wild, but how effective would June's have been with bullets in her legs?
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What experience do you have of polished nails which makes you think if SC was the perp she would have damaged her nails/polish?
Squandering bullets wasn't setting the scene when it meant the perp had to reload at least twice which we're told was beyond SC.
Do you have evidence it wasn't beyond Sheila,you've just admitted a hole in your reckoning of Bamber's innocence.
It was a cool and calculated murder,which imo by the very reckoning Sheila had gone beserk with the gun according to reports is not obtainable by Sheila.
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So Jeremy Bamber indulges in many wild shots to implicate Sheila and leaves victims able to try to defend themselves.
Sorry, not getting this.
You are right on this point. Bamber planned to take everyone out with head shots whilst they were asleep. He succeeded with the boys, partially succeeded with Sheila, but almost failed with his parents who must have been awake, aware that something was amiss and so became moving targets making themselves more difficult to hit. Hence the wild placement until they succumbed as a result of the initial injuries - then four to Nevill's head in the kitchen and two to June's head in the bedroom. Nevill being forewarned that his life was in danger and stronger than June was quicker to react and attempted to make his way downstairs to escape the volley of shots, call for help from the Foakes family in Pages Lane, or find another weapon to defend himself with. This is the most logical and reasonable sequence of events.
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And yet in squandering so many bullets it meant the perp had to reload at least twice; a task some think beyond SC's capabilities.
Jeremy wouldn't have thought that far.
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So Jeremy Bamber indulges in many wild shots to implicate Sheila and leaves victims able to try to defend themselves.
Sorry, not getting this.
Divide and conquer.
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Jeremy wouldn't have thought that far.
Yet some try to believe Sheila was capable
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Are you suggesting the rifle and ammo used at WHF were insufficient to cause death from a single gunshot to head or major organ?
It was unless that bullet hit a critical part of the body.
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So Jeremy Bamber indulges in many wild shots to implicate Sheila and leaves victims able to try to defend themselves.
Sorry, not getting this.
Neither am I. Bamber had to discharge multiple shots because he realised one or two bullets weren't going to work. He shot Nevill several times in the face and shoulder but still he was able to get downstairs and confront his assailant again. Same with June, he shot her in bed but June was able to get up and make for the door before Bamber shot her at point blank between the eyes.
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Yet some try to believe Sheila was capable
They do and without a scrap of evidence to back them up.
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Yet some try to believe Sheila was capable
Some DO believe!
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Yet some try to believe Sheila was capable
They have to because they cannot bear the alternative.
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I read the other day that its very difficult to load the last bullet when reloading a semi-automatic. Of course Sheila didn't do it. The suggestion of a miscarriage of justice here is sickening and, as Leo McKinstry wrote recently, morally repugnant. The tv drama has got it totally right. Just as well that Bamber hasnt got a prayer of ever getting out. I was in the Divisional Court back in November 2012 for Bamber’s so-called groundbreaking Judicial Review which was going to lead to a new appeal within a few months according to his solicitor. Sir John Thomas (President of the Queen’s Bench Division at the time and later to become Lord Chief Justice) threw the whole thing out in less than an hour - Bamber couldnt even get permission to apply for Judicial Review. No wonder firms like Birnbergs, Bindmans etc wouldnt touch this case with a barge pole.
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They do and without a scrap of evidence to back them up.
It is a belief for them I would say, and possibly infatuation with some.
If Good looks were a sign of innocence he would not even have been charged!
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I read the other day that its very difficult to load the last bullet when reloading a semi-automatic. Of course Sheila didn't do it. The suggestion of a miscarriage of justice here is sickening and, as Leo McKinstry wrote recently, morally repugnant. The tv drama has got it totally right. Just as well that Bamber hasnt got a prayer of ever getting out. I was in the Divisional Court back in November 2012 for Bamber’s so-called groundbreaking Judicial Review which was going to lead to a new appeal within a few months according to his solicitor. Sir John Thomas (President of the Queen’s Bench Division at the time and later to become Lord Chief Justice) threw the whole thing out in less than an hour - Bamber couldnt even get permission to apply for Judicial Review. No wonder firms like Birnbergs, Bindmans etc wouldnt touch this case with a barge pole.
I totally agree. Sheila could never have shot Nevill in the bedroom as he would have overpowered her instantly after the first shot. It took someone with cunning and a imposing physical presence to take that first shot then stand back and fire several more times.
The bit we might never know though is how Nevill got out the door past his assailant. Did the gun jam or was Nevill stunned and fell to the floor only to regain consciousness and then make his way downstairs while Bamber was reloading the rifle?
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I totally agree. Sheila could never have shot Nevill in the bedroom as he would have overpowered her instantly after the first shot. It took someone with cunning and a imposing physical presence to take that first shot then stand back and fire several more times.
The bit we might never know though is how Nevill got out the door past his assailant. Did the gun jam or was Nevill stunned and fell to the floor only to regain consciousness and then make his way downstairs while Bamber was reloading the rifle?
I must admit, I held my breath when JM mentioned about the kitchen window latch- I thought 'oh she may have been more involved that first thought'. but then it all made sense- He lied about an accomplice/hitman. How could she have known about the window unless JM told her. I also got the feeling while watching that he would have ;loved to have bragged about it to others.
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I must admit, I held my breath when JM mentioned about the kitchen window latch- I thought 'oh she may have been more involved that first thought'. but then it all made sense- He lied about an accomplice/hitman. How could she have known about the window unless JM told her. I also got the feeling while watching that he would have ;loved to have bragged about it to others.
Known what about the window? Had judge and jury been taken to see the windows for themselves I might think you had a point. As it stands it's mere speculation but as the judge said how he got there, entered and exited matters not... *%87
Oh OK then you must know I mean with you being learned and the judge!
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Everyone is lying. The police stitched him up, JM stitched him up. Oh and Boutflour family are lying too.. blah blah.
The only decent honest person in this story is Jeremy, he was a decent and honest man lol. Even Brett is now admitting he thinks JB is a murdering psychopath.
Im sure there are many folk in prison who deserve their cases being reviewed. JB is not one of them.
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Everyone is lying. The police stitched him up, JM stitched him up. Oh and Boutflour family are lying too.. blah blah.
The only decent honest person in this story is Jeremy, he was a decent and honest man lol. Even Brett is now admitting he thinks JB is a murdering psychopath.
Im sure there are many folk in prison who deserve their cases being reviewed. JB is not one of them.
Unreliable testimony from lay witnesesses and experts are usually features of miscrriages of justice.
Where does the newspaper article re BC mention the word psychopath?
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I read the other day that its very difficult to load the last bullet when reloading a semi-automatic. Of course Sheila didn't do it. The suggestion of a miscarriage of justice here is sickening and, as Leo McKinstry wrote recently, morally repugnant. The tv drama has got it totally right. Just as well that Bamber hasnt got a prayer of ever getting out. I was in the Divisional Court back in November 2012 for Bamber’s so-called groundbreaking Judicial Review which was going to lead to a new appeal within a few months according to his solicitor. Sir John Thomas (President of the Queen’s Bench Division at the time and later to become Lord Chief Justice) threw the whole thing out in less than an hour - Bamber couldnt even get permission to apply for Judicial Review. No wonder firms like Birnbergs, Bindmans etc wouldnt touch this case with a barge pole.
I didn't find it difficult but regardless why did SC need to load the mag to full capacity?
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Neither am I. Bamber had to discharge multiple shots because he realised one or two bullets weren't going to work. He shot Nevill several times in the face and shoulder but still he was able to get downstairs and confront his assailant again. Same with June, he shot her in bed but June was able to get up and make for the door before Bamber shot her at point blank between the eyes.
The above defies the laws of physics.
The UK gov considers the lowest level of muzzle energy capable of inflicting a penetrating wound is one foot pound.
The tech spec from Eley shows the cartridges at WHF:
Weight = 38 grains
Mean muzzle velocity = 1040 ft/s
Enter the above data into the convertor to find out the feet pound is 90.
If only 1 foot pound is required to inflict a penetrating wound I think its fairly obvious what the effect of 90 feet pound will be.
So many cartridges were required as the perp was an inexperienced shooter.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/9504.htm
https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/
http://www.shooterscalculator.com/bullet-kinetic-energy.php
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The above defies the laws of physics.
The UK gov considers the lowest level of muzzle energy capable of inflicting a penetrating wound is one foot pound.
The tech spec from Eley shows the cartridges at WHF:
Weight = 38 grains
Mean muzzle velocity = 1040 ft/s
Enter the above data into the convertor to find out the feet pound is 90.
If only 1 foot pound is required to inflict a penetrating wound I think its fairly obvious what the effect of 90 feet pound will be.
So many cartridges were required as the perp was an inexperienced shooter.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/9504.htm
https://eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow/
http://www.shooterscalculator.com/bullet-kinetic-energy.php
Jeremy Bamber was inexperienced at shooting people.
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Jeremy Bamber was inexperienced at shooting people.
Except when they were asleep. 8((()*/
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Jeremy Bamber was inexperienced at shooting people.
There is a difference, is there? What might that be?
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Jeremy Bamber was inexperienced at shooting people.
Yes he was a marksman at Greshams and no doubt proficient at shooting vermin around the farm at distance so shooting sleeping children and mobile adults at close range would not have been a problem. He certainly would not have required 25/26 cartridges.
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Yes he was a marksman at Greshams and no doubt proficient at shooting vermin around the farm at distance so shooting sleeping children and mobile adults at close range would not have been a problem. He certainly would not have required 25/26 cartridges.
Obviously he did. He put several bullets in each of the children's head as they slept when one would have sufficed. He was certainly making sure that no-one survived. His peashooter rifle wasn't the killing machine he thought it was.
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Yes he was a marksman at Greshams and no doubt proficient at shooting vermin around the farm at distance so shooting sleeping children and mobile adults at close range would not have been a problem. He certainly would not have required 25/26 cartridges.
No he wouldn't, but he wasn't shooting as Jeremy. Sheila would have.
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There is a difference, is there? What might that be?
You don't think there is a difference between shooting a target or what is described as 'vermin' and shooting a human being?
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Yes he was a marksman at Greshams and no doubt proficient at shooting vermin around the farm at distance so shooting sleeping children and mobile adults at close range would not have been a problem. He certainly would not have required 25/26 cartridges.
He was a 'marksman' really? Perhaps he enjoyed the shoot and that's why he used so many shells - who knows but that's what he did.
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Obviously he did. He put several bullets in each of the children's head as they slept when one would have sufficed. He was certainly making sure that no-one survived. His peashooter rifle wasn't the killing machine he thought it was.
The physics show the lethality of the rifle. And if further evidenced is required the pathological evidence details the number of exit wounds.
So many cartridges were used as SC was all over the place inflicting graze only wounds and shots to limbs.
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No he wouldn't, but he wasn't shooting as Jeremy. Sheila would have.
But by squandering so many bullets it meant SC had to reload twice; a task many think was beyond her capabilities. If JB was shooting as SC he could have said he left a cartridge in the breech and a full mag of 10: a fatal head shot for each victim and 6 random shots to lend support to an experienced shooter.
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He was a 'marksman' really? Perhaps he enjoyed the shoot and that's why he used so many shells - who knows but that's what he did.
I thought his claims about bunny hunting earlier were bogus and just a rue to set the scene for SC going crazy with the gun? Ie it was all primed for SC along with a full magazine and yet so many bullets were squandered it required at least two reloads?
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But by squandering so many bullets it meant SC had to reload twice; a task many think was beyond her capabilities. If JB was shooting as SC he could have said he left a cartridge in the breech and a full mag of 10: a fatal head shot for each victim and 6 random shots to lend support to an experienced shooter.
He could have done many things, but he didn't. Only he knows why.