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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on April 15, 2020, 11:02:17 AM
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Prosecution witnesses claimed SC suffered poor coordination and as such she was unable to load the magazine and operate the rifle. This formed part of the prosecution case at trial:
Sheila Caffell also had very poor co-ordination and would not have been capable of loading and operating the rifle
What evidence exists to support this?
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This thread has a narrow theme so please remain on topic.
Just a reminder that anything remotely personal about fellow posters who are members of this forum will be removed along with any quoted posts containing anything personal. It is posters' responsibility to ensure anything they upload to the forum does not contain anything personal either directly in their own posts or indirectly in quoted posts.
Thanks.
Did another thread need to be started Holly?
Isn’t this a bit like information pollution?
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Prosecution witnesses claimed SC suffered poor coordination and as such she was unable to load the magazine and operate the rifle. This formed part of the prosecution case at trial:
Sheila Caffell also had very poor co-ordination and would not have been capable of loading and operating the rifle
What evidence exists to support this?
In the book "Jeremy Bamber: Evil, Almost Beyond Belief", Scott Lomax refers to Ann Eaton's testimony at the trial in which she relates Sheila's poor hand-eye coordination. It was claimed that Sheila was incapable of putting beans on toast or pouring a cup of tea. Sheila's medication apparently affected her ability to carry out tasks.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=H8U7AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT98&lpg=PT98&dq=sheila+caffell+poor+hand+coordination&source=bl&ots=E-TFWK68mR&sig=ACfU3U2QzEXUshNdkKlXNeAjpNiwwgI36Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjv4sjznuroAhWFTRUIHXosAkYQ6AEwEnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=sheila%20caffell%20poor%20hand%20coordination&f=false
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And Colin Caffell being interviewed recently...
"When it first happened, I didn't want anything to disturb my original memories of the children," he explained. "I didn't want to see the bodies, I didn't want to identify them. So I didn't let anybody tell me anything, so I kind of accepted the story. So I was completely seduced by Jeremy [and I was] in terrible shock.
"Then when somebody explained that it was a rifle, I thought, Sheila could never have used a rifle, she would have no idea. She didn't know one end from another and with her medication, she wouldn't have had any hand to eye co-ordination. And this was a marksman skill.
"So for me, I started writing the book to make sense of it, to clear her name."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/sheila-caffells-ex-husband-seduced-21237512
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These people would have known her better than the ‘obsessive Bamberettes’, as Aunt Agatha referred to his supporters yesterday
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Ann Eaton hadn't seen Sheila Caffell since Christmas 1984, except for a brief meeting at Osea.
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Prosecution witnesses claimed SC suffered poor coordination and as such she was unable to load the magazine and operate the rifle. This formed part of the prosecution case at trial:
Sheila Caffell also had very poor co-ordination and would not have been capable of loading and operating the rifle
What evidence exists to support this?
Statements from various people who encountered her shortly before the murders.
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Statements from various people who encountered her shortly before the murders.
John has provided cites for AE and CC do you have any others?
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John has provided cites for AE and CC do you have any others?
Michael Horsnell, Colin's girlfriend Heather, Sheila's friend Tora - they all talk about how ridgid so was and Tora comment how she was not even being able to get up from a sitting position.
I can understand you not wanting to take AE's word but you have no reason to dismiss Colin. I am sure you and G will look for excuses in my examples but to keep dismissing evidence doesn't do your argument any good.
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Michael Horsnell, Colin's girlfriend Heather, Sheila's friend Tora - they all talk about how ridgid so was and Tora comment how she was not even being able to get up from a sitting position.
I can understand you not wanting to take AE's word but you have no reason to dismiss Colin. I am sure you and G will look for excuses in my examples but to keep dismissing evidence doesn't do your argument any good.
I wont dismiss Colin, as he had seen quite a lot of Sheila in her final week (the party, and he had taken her to WHF). I believe he knew her as well as anyone, if not better. He would have kept an eye on her, as she had partial custody of the twins.
However, I'd like to know whether Sheila's condition varied from day to day. Somebody mentioned that she could hardly walk, but , IMO, that is not borne out by what CAL says. Various people who saw her had different opinions on this. Were there any other factors that influenced Sheila's co ordination------drugs or alcohol, for example? Does anyone know?
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I wont dismiss Colin, as he had seen quite a lot of Sheila in her final week (the party, and he had taken her to WHF). I believe he knew her as well as anyone, if not better. He would have kept an eye on her, as she had partial custody of the twins.
However, I'd like to know whether Sheila's condition varied from day to day. Somebody mentioned that she could hardly walk, but , IMO, that is not borne out by what CAL says. Various people who saw her had different opinions on this. Were there any other factors that influenced Sheila's co ordination------drugs or alcohol, for example? Does anyone know?
Lets be clear that CAL isn't saying anything (I don't think she would appreciate the inference), she has just reported what others have said so who do you have in mind when you mention 'different opinions'?
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Lets be clear that CAL isn't saying anything (I don't think she would appreciate the inference), she has just reported what others have said so who do you have in mind when you mention 'different opinions'?
Ok, different people's comments about Sheila on the Monday and Tuesday before the murders (CAL's book, pp587-632)
Monday : Douglas Pike called to collect a faulty telephone. Was greeted by Sheila. Also saw the twins, and thought "what a happy family they seemed".
Jean Bouttell, the housekeeper thought Sheila "seemed her normal self, if a little quiet"
Stuart Sinclair thought "nothing amiss"
Philip Wilson thought Sheila "appeared quite happy"
Sheila's cousin, Yvonne, thought the same, when Sheila telephoned her for a chat.
Tuesday:
Len Foakes thought Sheila seemed "very happy"
Michael Horsnell, decorator, thought Sheila was "like a zombie", and that she walked very rigidly.
Barbara Wilson thought it unusual to see Sheila and Jeremy together, but didn't say there was anything out of the ordinary about Sheila's demeanour or behaviour.
Barry Parker, shop owner, described Sheila as "vague and distant" and thought she was strange, when she visited his shop with June and the twins. He commented about her lipstick being all over her teeth.
Elizabeth Smith, a friend of June's, who knew Sheila, did not comment on anything being unusual when June and Sheila visited her.
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Ok, different people's comments about Sheila on the Monday and Tuesday before the murders (CAL's book, pp587-632)
Monday : Douglas Pike called to collect a faulty telephone. Was greeted by Sheila. Also saw the twins, and thought "what a happy family they seemed".
Jean Bouttell, the housekeeper thought Sheila "seemed her normal self, if a little quiet"
Stuart Sinclair thought "nothing amiss"
Philip Wilson thought Sheila "appeared quite happy"
Sheila's cousin, Yvonne, thought the same, when Sheila telephoned her for a chat.
Tuesday:
Len Foakes thought Sheila seemed "very happy"
Michael Horsnell, decorator, thought Sheila was "like a zombie", and that she walked very rigidly.
Barbara Wilson thought it unusual to see Sheila and Jeremy together, but didn't say there was anything out of the ordinary about Sheila's demeanour or behaviour.
Barry Parker, shop owner, described Sheila as "vague and distant" and thought she was strange, when she visited his shop with June and the twins. He commented about her lipstick being all over her teeth.
Elizabeth Smith, a friend of June's, who knew Sheila, did not comment on anything being unusual when June and Sheila visited her.
It depends on how long and in what circumstances they saw Sheila together with their past experiences of her (as measurement). Also, he fact that she seemed happy, (although not walking normally - which suggests lack of coordination), kind of files in the face of a depressed psychotic about to blow the family away.
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It depends on how long and in what circumstances they saw Sheila together with their past experiences of her (as measurement). Also, he fact that she seemed happy, (although not walking normally - which suggests lack of coordination), kind of files in the face of a depressed psychotic about to blow the family away.
Only one of the witnesses mentions her not walking normally.
Of course, all these people were (presumably) interviewed by CAL? If so, it was years after the event, and I wonder how accurate their memories were. I also wonder how often they saw Sheila, and how well they knew her.
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It depends on how long and in what circumstances they saw Sheila together with their past experiences of her (as measurement). Also, he fact that she seemed happy, (although not walking normally - which suggests lack of coordination), kind of files in the face of a depressed psychotic about to blow the family away.
SC's male friend, Farhad Emani, who she referred to as Freddy said the following:
She had no trouble with her co-ordination and appeared to be aware of what she was doing. She had no trouble in picking things up and holding on to them.
Freddy saw SC ten times between her discharge from St Andrews on 29th Mar to 7th Aug. He last saw her on Fri 2nd Aug.
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SC's male friend, Farhad Emani, who she referred to as Freddy said the following:
She had no trouble with her co-ordination and appeared to be aware of what she was doing. She had no trouble in picking things up and holding on to them.
Freddy saw SC ten times between her discharge from St Andrews on 29th Mar to 7th Aug. He last saw her on Fri 2nd Aug.
It's been pointed out that, despite that there are too many for it to be coincidence, none of Jeremy's many negative qualities mean that he's a murderer. In the same way, that one ore two people believe her hand/eye coordination to be perfect, doesn't make Sheila capable of loading and firing the rifle.
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It's been pointed out that, despite that there are too many for it to be coincidence, none of Jeremy's many negative qualities mean that he's a murderer. In the same way, that one ore two people believe her hand/eye coordination to be perfect, doesn't make Sheila capable of loading and firing the rifle.
SC lived independently which I doubt she would be unable to do if her manual dexterity was such she couldn't perform simple tasks like loading the mag and firing the rifle.
Freddy has been quite specific about SC's manual dexterity unlike AE who made a comment about SC being unable to put beans on toast. AE rarely saw SC.
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SC lived independently which I doubt she would be unable to do if her manual dexterity was such she couldn't perform simple tasks like loading the mag and firing the rifle.
Freddy has been quite specific about SC's manual dexterity unlike AE who made a comment about SC being unable to put beans on toast. AE rarely saw SC.
You appear to be suggesting that "performing simple tasks like loading the mag and firing the rifle" were part and parcel of daily domesticity. I'm more than happy with the work my cleaning lady does but it's never occurred to me to ask for her credentials in gun competency.
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You appear to be suggesting that "performing simple tasks like loading the mag and firing the rifle" were part and parcel of daily domesticity. I'm more than happy with the work my cleaning lady does but it's never occurred to me to ask for her credentials in gun competency.
What bio-mechanical movements are involved in inserting cartridges to a magazine and pulling the trigger on a rifle that are not carried out with day-to-day living?
Did the court call a bio-mechanic?
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What bio-mechanical movements are involved in inserting cartridges to a magazine and pulling the trigger on a rifle that are not carried out with day-to-day living?
Did the court call a bio-mechanic?
with lethal accuracy on every shot, don’t forget that bit.
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with lethal accuracy on every shot, don’t forget that bit.
What does lethal accuracy mean? Lethal means 'sufficient to cause death', but not all the injuries were.
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What does lethal accuracy mean? Lethal means 'sufficient to cause death', but not all the injuries were.
Which ones weren’t then?
Lethal also means extremely dangerous. Which shots were not extremely dangerous?
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lethal
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Which ones weren’t then?
Lethal also means extremely dangerous. Which shots were not extremely dangerous?
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lethal
Lethal accuracy was the phrase, not dangerous accuracy.
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Lethal accuracy was the phrase, not dangerous accuracy.
I know, I wrote it. I also provided a link to the dictionary definition of lethal. Now tell us which of those shots was not either extremely dangerous or sufficient to cause death.
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with lethal accuracy on every shot, don’t forget that bit.
This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.
Every shot was close range but not every shot was lethally accurate.
June sustained 8 gsw's. 6 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 2 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and inflicted when June was severely incapacitated.
NB sustained 8 gsw's. 4 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 4 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and it is thought inflicted when NB had ceased moving.
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This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.
Every shot was close range but not every shot was lethally accurate.
June sustained 8 gsw's. 6 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 2 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and inflicted when June was severely incapacitated.
NB sustained 8 gsw's. 4 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 4 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and it is thought inflicted when NB had ceased moving.
Every shot entered human flesh. I see you have conveniently omitted mentioning the shots into the children’s heads. By my calculations you are saying 6 were not lethally accurate so if you really want to be pedantic let me change my statement to “most shots were lethally accurate and every single shot met its target”. Of course even a gunshot that doesn’t cause near instant death has the capacity to be deadly given sufficient time, through blood loss.
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This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.
Every shot was close range but not every shot was lethally accurate.
June sustained 8 gsw's. 6 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 2 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and inflicted when June was severely incapacitated.
NB sustained 8 gsw's. 4 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 4 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and it is thought inflicted when NB had ceased moving.
Yeh you would expect to see that with low velocity .22, unless you hit vital organs, for example, shooting 6 year old boys in the head at point blank range in the most cowardly and heinous fashion imaginable.
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This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.
Every shot was close range but not every shot was lethally accurate.
June sustained 8 gsw's. 6 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 2 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and inflicted when June was severely incapacitated.
NB sustained 8 gsw's. 4 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 4 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and it is thought inflicted when NB had ceased moving.
I would say "close range" would depend on the length of the firearm's barrel. Shooting someone from the 'safe' end of a rifle can hardly be at "close range", especially when aiming to hit a specific area on a target.
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This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.
Every shot was close range but not every shot was lethally accurate.
June sustained 8 gsw's. 6 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 2 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and inflicted when June was severely incapacitated.
NB sustained 8 gsw's. 4 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 4 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and it is thought inflicted when NB had ceased moving.
Perhaps Jeremy just enjoyed. causing maximum pain to both. Nevill and June.
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This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.
What’s the difference between the two?
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What’s the difference between the two?
I was just thinking that
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye%E2%80%93hand_coordination
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_motor_skil
Manual dexterity aka fine motor skill
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye%E2%80%93hand_coordination
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_motor_skil
Manual dexterity aka fine motor skill
If you're uncoordinated it will affect your hand to eye dexterity! That's the point!
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If you're uncoordinated it will affect your hand to eye dexterity! That's the point!
I believe manual dexterity aka as fine motor skill and hand eye coordination are completely different skill sets.
Eg SC may have had very good manual dexterity/fine motor skill in applying her nail polish but may have had very poor hand eye coordination in say playing racquet sports.
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Another example of manual dexterity/fine motor skill is handwriting.
Do we have any examples of SC's handwriting? I believe she wrote a number of letters during her last stay at St Andrews and after her discharge on 29th Mar?
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Only one of the witnesses mentions her not walking normally.
Of course, all these people were (presumably) interviewed by CAL? If so, it was years after the event, and I wonder how accurate their memories were. I also wonder how often they saw Sheila, and how well they knew her.
They also spoke to the police at the time, back in 1985, I believe, and when such a horrific event such as that occurs you don’t forget the tiniest of details, however many years pass, trust me.
CAL’s extremely thorough and detailed book was excellently researched and one thing she didn’t do was embellish to create intrigue and drama: it didn’t need embellishing — it was horrific enough.
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If you're uncoordinated it will affect your hand to eye dexterity! That's the point!
They are different skills that's why they have different names.
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They are different skills that's why they have different names.
Have you ever considered working for the innocent project Holly?
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Have you ever considered working for the innocent project Holly?
No. I'm happy here and doing my own thing behind the scenes.
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I believe manual dexterity aka as fine motor skill and hand eye coordination are completely different skill sets.
Eg SC may have had very good manual dexterity/fine motor skill in applying her nail polish but may have had very poor hand eye coordination in say playing racquet sports.
I don't.
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Prosecution witnesses claimed SC suffered poor coordination and as such she was unable to load the magazine and operate the rifle. This formed part of the prosecution case at trial:
Sheila Caffell also had very poor co-ordination and would not have been capable of loading and operating the rifle
What evidence exists to support this?
The evidence to support this was presumably presented and tested in a court of law where a jury found the defendant guilty, but you want even more evidence? How much evidence do you require in order to be satisfied that something you had previously doubted is indeed true, or is it a case that no amount of evidence will ever help change your mind?
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They are different skills that's why they have different names.
They are part of the same processes.
https://www.healthline.com/health/hand-eye-coordination#aging
As you age, your ability to perform tasks with the same amount of accuracy and speed as when you were younger declines. This includes reaction time and dexterity, two important elements of hand-eye coordination.
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They are part of the same processes.
https://www.healthline.com/health/hand-eye-coordination#aging
As you age, your ability to perform tasks with the same amount of accuracy and speed as when you were younger declines. This includes reaction time and dexterity, two important elements of hand-eye coordination.
Hm. That certainly rings a bell !
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Hm. That certainly rings a bell !
Ah! I'm sure there's nowt wrong with your dexterity! 8((()*/ Point being though - they are interrelated.
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No. I'm happy here and doing my own thing behind the scenes.
I’m sure you’ve done a lot behind the scenes over the last, what, 10 years?
How many more decades of working behind the scenes do you anticipate?
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I’m sure you’ve done a lot behind the scenes over the last, what, 10 years?
How many more decades of working behind the scenes do you anticipate?
What does Holly do behind the scenes?
I remember this http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6891.0 and know she’s written to a few others but that would only take a few hours tops surely?
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I’m sure you’ve done a lot behind the scenes over the last, what, 10 years?
How many more decades of working behind the scenes do you anticipate?
I was barely aware of the case 10 years ago let alone working behind the scenes.
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What does Holly do behind the scenes?
I remember this http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6891.0 and know she’s written to a few others but that would only take a few hours tops surely?
I wouldn't call that working behind the scenes given I uploaded it to the forum.
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I was barely aware of the case 10 years ago let alone working behind the scenes.
‘Working’?
It’s a pattern of behaviour imo Holly
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6891.msg458203#msg458203
https://www.suzylamplugh.org/blog/guest-blog-kerry-daynes-my-stalking-experience
"As a mental health professional I’m acutely aware that this man needs help. You don’t decide to stalk a person you have seen on TV because you are in a healthy and fulfilled place in your own life. Clearly he struggles with his own mental distress and, like most stalkers is consumed with a sense of entitlement that is triggered when he feels rebuffed and/or wronged. Nearly seven years in, he continues to re-register his website domain names - as recently as Christmas last year. And, as it turns out, he has also received a Harassment Warning in relation to his behaviour towards another woman. He needs psychological treatment - just not from me
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“But in the midst of the CCRC’s consideration of the new evidence, Sky3 showed a repeat of the 2005 true crime series Killing Mum and Dad, featuring leading psychologist Kerry Daynes, which ends with an episode about the Bamber case.
Bamber, now 49, told us from his cell at Full Sutton prison near York, where he is serving a full-life term, that he watched the documentary for the first time recently.
And he says the show wrongly brands him a psychopath, when he has expert evidence that he is perfectly sane . . . and that’s made him hopping mad!
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I was barely aware of the case 10 years ago let alone working behind the scenes.
Well, you started on this forum in 2014, I believe, and you’re a staunch supporter of JB.
I can’t believe you suddenly decided to support him out of the blue...
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‘Working’?
It’s a pattern of behaviour imo Holly
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6891.msg458203#msg458203
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“But in the midst of the CCRC’s consideration of the new evidence, Sky3 showed a repeat of the 2005 true crime series Killing Mum and Dad, featuring leading psychologist Kerry Daynes, which ends with an episode about the Bamber case.
Bamber, now 49, told us from his cell at Full Sutton prison near York, where he is serving a full-life term, that he watched the documentary for the first time recently.
And he says the show wrongly brands him a psychopath, when he has expert evidence that he is perfectly sane . . . and that’s made him hopping mad!
Oh, as if JB had only watched that programme so long after it aired!
I bet he was glued to the TV an hour before it began.
By the way, insanity and psychopathy are two different things.
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Oh, as if JB had only watched that programme so long after it aired!
I bet he was glued to the TV an hour before it began.
By the way, insanity and psychopathy are two different things.
According to this article https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/01/yorkshire-ripper-peter-sutcliffe-mental-health-1981-trial
the ‘Jury in 1981 rejected truth of Sutcliffe’s account to psychiatrists that a divine voice had told him to kill prostitutes
“It has always been a key feature of the Yorkshire Ripper case that although the jury at his trial found Peter Sutcliffe sane at the time that he murdered 13 women, the psychiatrists diagnosed him as having paranoid schizophrenia.
The sole issue at his trial in 1981 was whether or not his responsibility for the killings was diminished by mental abnormality. The announcement by clinicians that he no longer requires hospital treatment, and that he could now be sent back to prison, revives that original issue.
The three psychiatrists called in his defence, Dr Milne, Dr McCullogh and Dr Kay, each diagnosed that he had “encapsulated (or hidden) paranoid schizophrenia” based on his account that a divine voice had told him in 1967 while he was working as a gravedigger that it was his mission to kill or eradicate prostitutes.
By its verdict the trial jury rejected, on the balance of probabilities, the truth of the account Sutcliffe had given to the psychiatrists and he was given a life sentence of at least 30 years, which he started at Parkhurst maximum security prison.
After being repeatedly attacked in the hospital wing of Parkhurst, his diagnosis as a paranoid schizophrenic was confirmed and he was transferred to Broadmoor high-security psychiatric hospital in 1984.
For nine years Sutcliffe refused any treatment, until 1993 when the Mental Health Commission ordered that he should be forcibly treated. The only hard information in the public domain about his progress was given by Dr Kevin Murray, Broadmoor’s clinical director, in a 2010 court of appeal hearing which upheld Sutcliffe’s whole-life sentence for the campaign of murder which had terrorised a large part of Yorkshire for several years.
Murray’s report revealed that in July 1993 Sutcliffe was started on anti-psychotic medicine and had persevered with it ever since. He said Sutcliffe had been the subject of three assaults, including one in which he lost his right eye.
“In the opinion of Dr Murray and his colleagues, he suffers from a chronic treatable mental illness for which he has been willing to accept appropriate treatment, which has successfully contained it for many years,” reported the court of appeal judge, Mr Justice Mitting.
The mental health tribunal endorsed this view in July 2010 when it found that his treatment had produced “complete remission of his positive symptoms”, and said his mental health would likely suffer if he were returned to prison. The tribunal ruling underlined the sharp difference of view between those psychiatrists who assessed Sutcliffe and the jury’s original verdict.
Brian Dow, of the charity Rethink Mental Illness, said: “There’s no cure as such. There’s no medication that will make it go away, but people will often be able to manage their symptoms to a point where they can lead a very normal life.
“Presumably ... he is sufficiently well that he no longer needs to be treated in a clinical setting. That’s very possible as the treatments he may have had may have got him to a point where they deem him to be able to be incarcerated in a prison rather than a high-security ward.”
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Quote from: Nicholas on April 24, 2018, 05:52:55 PM
https://www.suzylamplugh.org/blog/guest-blog-kerry-daynes-my-stalking-experience
"As a mental health professional I’m acutely aware that this man needs help. You don’t decide to stalk a person you have seen on TV because you are in a healthy and fulfilled place in your own life. Clearly he struggles with his own mental distress and, like most stalkers is consumed with a sense of entitlement that is triggered when he feels rebuffed and/or wronged. Nearly seven years in, he continues to re-register his website domain names - as recently as Christmas last year. And, as it turns out, he has also received a Harassment Warning in relation to his behaviour towards another woman. He needs psychological treatment - just not from me“
That’s very interesting, Nicholas. This is off-topic, but I know a lot about the Suzy Lamplugh case, and I do believe John Cannan is in the same prison as JB.
Incidentally, although JC is indeed a convicted murderer and rapist, I have an EXTREMELY reliable source who’s fairly well-known, and neither he or I believe JC was involved in SL’s disappearance. We both (in fact three of us, one a Scotland Yard detective are convinced who it is) and he’s still at liberty. I haven’t seen John Cannan’s case on here, though...and his current sentence isn’t a MOJ.
I can also relate to the stalking, as I have been to hell and back myself from a psychopathic stalker.
Sorry to have gone off-topic, but just thought I’d mention it :(
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Quote from: Nicholas on April 24, 2018, 05:52:55 PM
https://www.suzylamplugh.org/blog/guest-blog-kerry-daynes-my-stalking-experience
"As a mental health professional I’m acutely aware that this man needs help. You don’t decide to stalk a person you have seen on TV because you are in a healthy and fulfilled place in your own life. Clearly he struggles with his own mental distress and, like most stalkers is consumed with a sense of entitlement that is triggered when he feels rebuffed and/or wronged. Nearly seven years in, he continues to re-register his website domain names - as recently as Christmas last year. And, as it turns out, he has also received a Harassment Warning in relation to his behaviour towards another woman. He needs psychological treatment - just not from me“
That’s very interesting, Nicholas. This is off-topic, but I know a lot about the Suzy Lamplugh case, and I do believe John Cannan is in the same prison as JB.
Incidentally, although JC is indeed a convicted murderer and rapist, I have an EXTREMELY reliable source who’s fairly well-known, and neither he or I believe JC was involved in SL’s disappearance. We both (in fact three of us, one a Scotland Yard detective are convinced who it is) and he’s still at liberty. I haven’t seen John Cannan’s case on here, though...and his current sentence isn’t a MOJ.
I can also relate to the stalking, as I have been to hell and back myself from a psychopathic stalker.
Sorry to have gone off-topic, but just thought I’d mention it :(
Psychopath or insane?
(Yep it isn’t ) JC: “I am concerned that the police will use Suzy’s disappearance to undermine my parole prospects. My concern is that smearing me has become the rule not the exception”
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I’m sure you’ve done a lot behind the scenes over the last, what, 10 years?
How many more decades of working behind the scenes do you anticipate?
Do you believe Bamber to be insane or a psychopath & did Sutcliffe dupe the ‘experts’ or have they duped the system?
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Quote from: Nicholas on April 24, 2018, 05:52:55 PM
https://www.suzylamplugh.org/blog/guest-blog-kerry-daynes-my-stalking-experience
"As a mental health professional I’m acutely aware that this man needs help. You don’t decide to stalk a person you have seen on TV because you are in a healthy and fulfilled place in your own life. Clearly he struggles with his own mental distress and, like most stalkers is consumed with a sense of entitlement that is triggered when he feels rebuffed and/or wronged. Nearly seven years in, he continues to re-register his website domain names - as recently as Christmas last year. And, as it turns out, he has also received a Harassment Warning in relation to his behaviour towards another woman. He needs psychological treatment - just not from me“
That’s very interesting, Nicholas. This is off-topic, but I know a lot about the Suzy Lamplugh case, and I do believe John Cannan is in the same prison as JB.
Incidentally, although JC is indeed a convicted murderer and rapist, I have an EXTREMELY reliable source who’s fairly well-known, and neither he or I believe JC was involved in SL’s disappearance. We both (in fact three of us, one a Scotland Yard detective are convinced who it is) and he’s still at liberty. I haven’t seen John Cannan’s case on here, though...and his current sentence isn’t a MOJ.
I can also relate to the stalking, as I have been to hell and back myself from a psychopathic stalker.
Sorry to have gone off-topic, but just thought I’d mention it :(
I Spy, if you scroll down the forum's title page, you will find a thread called "off topic and the wide awake club." There is a thread about John Cannan on about the third or fourth page of that!
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I Spy, if you scroll down the forum's title page, you will find a thread called "off topic and the wide awake club." There is a thread about John Cannan on about the third or fourth page of that!
Thank you, MrsWah!
I shall take a look at that
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Psychopath or insane?
(Yep it isn’t ) JC: “I am concerned that the police will use Suzy’s disappearance to undermine my parole prospects. My concern is that smearing me has become the rule not the exception”
Oh, JC is definitely a psychopath. He hasn’t been diagnosed as insane, and has never shown any symptoms of mental illness, although when some psychopaths carry out horrific assaults/murders etc, the average person would consider them insane not just for the act itself, but for how brazen they can be — the lines of each disorder becomes fudged.
But despite him being an evil psychopathic murderer, I believe he’s telling the truth when he says he wasn’t involved in Suzy’s disappearance.
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Do you believe Bamber to be insane or a psychopath & did Sutcliffe dupe the ‘experts’ or have they duped the system?
Jeremy Bamber is definitely a psychopath — the prison psychiatrist established that — but even if he hadn’t, its obvious he is one. He’s never been diagnosed as suffering from a mental health problem, and it’s quite telling that he hasn’t suffered acute bouts of clinical depression considering he claims he’s innocent: psychopaths feel no fear or normal emotion, and seem to take their punishment remarkably well. If you remember when they showed as adam Hussain about to be hung, he didn’t appear at all bothered or stressed — he just took it in his stride and walked towards the noose as though he was about to sit in a dentists chair and have a tooth removed.
As for Peter Sutcliffe, of course he’s a psychopath, and I suspect he did dupe the experts into believing he was a schizophrenic to make his prison life easier. They’ve even said his supposed schizophrenia “comes and goes”...which is very convenient for him, just like those voices that used to tell him to go and kill prostitutes — except for at family functions, on outings, holidays, watching TV at home with his wife or when he was working...
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Due to the current activity levels on the board we need to maintain the following rule set out on the homepage:
* Posters are asked to keep to thread topics where possible
Going forward I will be removing all posts that are off topic.
Thanks.
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Due to the current activity levels on the board we need to maintain the following rule set out on the homepage:
* Posters are asked to keep to thread topics where possible
Going forward I will be removing all posts that are off topic.
Thanks.
My post was on topic and showed that dexterity and coordination are part of the same process - you ignored it.
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My post was on topic and showed that dexterity and coordination are part of the same process - you ignored it.
Who runs this forum?
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Who runs this forum?
John.
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My post was on topic and showed that dexterity and coordination are part of the same process - you ignored it.
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My post was on topic and showed that dexterity and coordination are part of the same process - you ignored it.
That’s strange to ignore your post especially as what you said is correct !