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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2020, 08:04:21 PM »
It depends on how long and in what circumstances they saw Sheila together with their past experiences of her (as measurement). Also, he fact that she seemed happy, (although not walking normally - which suggests lack of coordination), kind of files in the face of a depressed psychotic about to blow the family away.

SC's male friend, Farhad Emani, who she referred to as Freddy said the following:

She had no trouble with her co-ordination and appeared to be aware of what she was doing.  She had no trouble in picking things up and holding on to them.

Freddy saw SC ten times between her discharge from St Andrews on 29th Mar to 7th Aug.  He last saw her on Fri 2nd Aug.
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline APRIL

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2020, 08:14:32 PM »
SC's male friend, Farhad Emani, who she referred to as Freddy said the following:

She had no trouble with her co-ordination and appeared to be aware of what she was doing.  She had no trouble in picking things up and holding on to them.

Freddy saw SC ten times between her discharge from St Andrews on 29th Mar to 7th Aug.  He last saw her on Fri 2nd Aug.

It's been pointed out that, despite that there are too many for it to be coincidence, none of Jeremy's many negative qualities mean that he's a murderer. In the same way, that one ore two people believe her hand/eye coordination to be perfect, doesn't make Sheila capable of loading and firing the rifle.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2020, 09:36:51 PM »
It's been pointed out that, despite that there are too many for it to be coincidence, none of Jeremy's many negative qualities mean that he's a murderer. In the same way, that one ore two people believe her hand/eye coordination to be perfect, doesn't make Sheila capable of loading and firing the rifle.

SC lived independently which I doubt she would be unable to do if her manual dexterity was such she couldn't perform simple tasks like loading the mag and firing the rifle.

Freddy has been quite specific about SC's manual dexterity unlike AE who made a comment about SC being unable to put beans on toast. AE rarely saw SC.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline APRIL

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2020, 09:46:13 PM »
SC lived independently which I doubt she would be unable to do if her manual dexterity was such she couldn't perform simple tasks like loading the mag and firing the rifle.

Freddy has been quite specific about SC's manual dexterity unlike AE who made a comment about SC being unable to put beans on toast. AE rarely saw SC.


You appear to be suggesting that "performing simple tasks like loading the mag and firing the rifle" were part and parcel of daily domesticity. I'm more than happy with the work my cleaning lady does but it's never occurred to me to ask for her credentials in gun competency.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2020, 09:53:52 PM »

You appear to be suggesting that "performing simple tasks like loading the mag and firing the rifle" were part and parcel of daily domesticity. I'm more than happy with the work my cleaning lady does but it's never occurred to me to ask for her credentials in gun competency.

What bio-mechanical movements are involved in inserting cartridges to a magazine and pulling the trigger on a rifle that are not carried out with day-to-day living?

Did the court call a bio-mechanic?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2020, 10:10:30 PM »
What bio-mechanical movements are involved in inserting cartridges to a magazine and pulling the trigger on a rifle that are not carried out with day-to-day living?

Did the court call a bio-mechanic?
with lethal accuracy on every shot, don’t forget that bit.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2020, 10:46:18 PM »
with lethal accuracy on every shot, don’t forget that bit.

What does lethal accuracy mean? Lethal means 'sufficient to cause death', but not all the injuries were.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2020, 11:45:04 PM »
What does lethal accuracy mean? Lethal means 'sufficient to cause death', but not all the injuries were.
Which ones weren’t then?
Lethal also means extremely dangerous.  Which shots were not extremely dangerous?
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lethal
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Offline G-Unit

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2020, 12:12:55 AM »
Which ones weren’t then?
Lethal also means extremely dangerous.  Which shots were not extremely dangerous?
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lethal

Lethal accuracy was the phrase, not dangerous accuracy.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2020, 12:19:08 AM »
Lethal accuracy was the phrase, not dangerous accuracy.
I know, I wrote it.  I also provided a link to the dictionary definition of lethal.  Now tell us which of those shots was not either extremely dangerous or sufficient to cause death.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2020, 07:14:45 AM »
with lethal accuracy on every shot, don’t forget that bit.

This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.   

Every shot was close range but not every shot was lethally accurate. 

June sustained 8 gsw's.  6 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 2 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and inflicted when June was severely incapacitated.

NB sustained 8 gsw's.  4 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment.  The 4 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and it is thought inflicted when NB had ceased moving.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2020, 07:29:21 AM »
This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.   

Every shot was close range but not every shot was lethally accurate. 

June sustained 8 gsw's.  6 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 2 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and inflicted when June was severely incapacitated.

NB sustained 8 gsw's.  4 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment.  The 4 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and it is thought inflicted when NB had ceased moving.
Every shot entered human flesh.  I see you have conveniently omitted mentioning the shots into the children’s heads.  By my calculations you are saying 6 were not lethally accurate so if you really want to be pedantic let me change my statement to “most shots were lethally accurate and every single shot met its target”.  Of course even a gunshot that doesn’t cause near instant death has the capacity to be deadly given sufficient time, through blood loss. 
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Offline The General

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2020, 07:29:48 AM »
This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.   

Every shot was close range but not every shot was lethally accurate. 

June sustained 8 gsw's.  6 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 2 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and inflicted when June was severely incapacitated.

NB sustained 8 gsw's.  4 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment.  The 4 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and it is thought inflicted when NB had ceased moving.
Yeh you would expect to see that with low velocity .22, unless you hit vital organs, for example, shooting 6 year old boys in the head at point blank range in the most cowardly and heinous fashion imaginable.
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Offline APRIL

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2020, 08:00:14 AM »
This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.   

Every shot was close range but not every shot was lethally accurate. 

June sustained 8 gsw's.  6 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 2 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and inflicted when June was severely incapacitated.

NB sustained 8 gsw's.  4 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment.  The 4 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and it is thought inflicted when NB had ceased moving.


I would say "close range" would depend on the length of the firearm's barrel. Shooting someone from the 'safe' end of a rifle can hardly be at "close range", especially when aiming to hit a specific area on a target.

Offline Caroline

Re: SC's Manual Dexterity
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2020, 12:22:16 PM »
This is moving away from manual dexterity to hand eye coordination.   

Every shot was close range but not every shot was lethally accurate. 

June sustained 8 gsw's.  6 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment. The 2 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and inflicted when June was severely incapacitated.

NB sustained 8 gsw's.  4 were fired in episode 1 of which 2 would have been fatal without medi treatment.  The 4 fired in episode 2 were almost immediately fatal and it is thought inflicted when NB had ceased moving.

Perhaps Jeremy just enjoyed. causing maximum pain to both. Nevill and June.