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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: debunker on April 19, 2013, 09:38:57 AM
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On This Morning she seemed to hint that they are looking at going after some of the [ censored word ]s.
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The worst ones, I hope. But most of them are pretty pathetic It seems to have worked on Mr. Tony Bennett, and he was definitely the worst of the worst. Unless you believe in socks, of course. But I'm no good a spotting anyone.
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Unlikely, I think.
1: They are virtually all "keyboard warriors". Very brave when sitting typing away obsessively, but of no impact or significance in the real world. So not worth the bother.
2: They appear to make a lot of noise, but that is only on special interest forums. In the real world they make no impact.
3: Legal action costs money. Whilst legal action may well succeed (as with Bennett) recovering costs from pensions or benefit Giros may be difficult.
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I hope they do. Something needs to be done about some of the people on the internet.
There are some on twitter for example that are telling downright lies about them, drumming up hatred for the McCanns by saying things are true when they are not.
One person on twitter is using the face of one of the Tapas friends and is insinuating this person is a p..........e this certainly can't be right can it?
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@ Lace
The allegations stem from a statement made by a fellow doctor friend of the McCanns to the British police over questionable gestures a friend who was on holiday with the McCanns, made allegedly with regard to Madeleine on a previous holiday. Google Gaspar statements to find out more.
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I hope they do. Something needs to be done about some of the people on the internet.
There are some on twitter for example that are telling downright lies about them, drumming up hatred for the McCanns by saying things are true when they are not.
One person on twitter is using the face of one of the Tapas friends and is insinuating this person is a p..........e this certainly can't be right can it?
That poor person has been a model of the best in everything and everyone about this case because .... didn't want to detract from the search for Madeleine. I will admire .... for the rest of my life.
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@ Lace
The allegations stem from a statement made by a fellow doctor friend of the McCanns to the British police over questionable gestures a David Payne, a friend who was on holiday with the McCanns, made allegedly with regard to Madeleine on a previous holiday. Google Gaspar statements to find out more.
Any more statements like that and I will be on The Report Button. Something that I have only ever done twice in six years.
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@ Lace
The allegations stem from a statement made by a fellow doctor friend of the McCanns to the British police over questionable gestures a David Payne, a friend who was on holiday with the McCanns, made allegedly with regard to Madeleine on a previous holiday. Google Gaspar statements to find out more.
Do you support the online trashing of Dr Payne's reputation based on the unsubstantiated report of one woman to the police, which was never intended for public consumption in the first place
Faithfully, I am well aware where the allegation stems from.
The word 'allegedly' is the key word here. Allegedly with regards to Madeleine. This woman reported what she had witnessed as she was concerned. This woman did not know what the conversation was about as she has said in her statement.
The person on twitter has taken what this woman reported and is stating as FACT something which he does not know is true. Calling this person a .......... getting other's to believe what he is saying. This is despicable behavious and in my opinion he should be reported to the police.
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@ Lace
The allegations stem from a statement made by a fellow doctor friend of the McCanns to the British police over questionable gestures a David Payne, a friend who was on holiday with the McCanns, made allegedly with regard to Madeleine on a previous holiday. Google Gaspar statements to find out more.
Any more statements like that and I will be on The Report Button. Something that I have only ever done twice in six years.
Please do report my statement Eleanor if I have posted anything that is not factually correct. The Gaspar statement is part of the police file and, as such, can be legitimately discussed.
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@ Lace
On a daily basis I see supporters of the McCanns smear fellow tweeter's reputations with the allegation. How do you think they should be censured ?
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@ Lace
On a daily basis I see supporters of the McCanns smear fellow tweeter's reputations with the 'paedophile' allegation. How do you think they should be censured ?
Do you? Using their real name and photo?
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@ Martha
Obviously you don't tweet or you would see how ridiculous that question was.
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Lets be clear posters. The person mentioned in this thread has not....repeat...HAS NOT...broken any Law or been investigated in relation to any crime that we are aware of thus to speculate on this subject on this forum is unacceptable. All references to this persons name and the unsubstantiated allegation have been removed.
The conduct of certain individuals on Twitter is reprehensible. For this social media site to permit impersonation of a respectable professional in such a manner says much more about the administrators of the site that it does the abusers.
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Lets be clear posters. The person mentioned in this thread has not....repeat...HAS NOT...broken any Law or been investigated in relation to any crime that we are aware of thus to speculate on this subject on this forum is unacceptable. All references to this persons name and the unsubstantiated allegation have been removed.
The conduct of certain individuals on Twitter is reprehensible. For this social media site to permit impersonation of a respectable professional in such a manner says much more about the administrators of the site that it does the abusers.
Aye, there´s the rub- The McCanns have not been charged with any crime or broken any law- same as the individual. Yet people alleging that are allowed to post here.
How is your petard?
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@ Lace
The allegations stem from a statement made by a friend of the McCanns to the British police over questionable gestures a friend who was on holiday with the McCanns, made allegedly with regard to Madeleine on a previous holiday. Google Gaspar statements to find out more.
Any more statements like that and I will be on The Report Button. Something that I have only ever done twice in six years.
I've just reported you because I do not condone blackmail or menaces.
Have a good day.
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The difference being that the McCanns were investigated for a crime and made Arguidos (official suspects) under Portuguese Law, a case which is yet to be resolved. The individual mentioned in the previous posts has, as far as we are aware, never been investigated for any criminal offence.
In the absence of any evidence, continued speculation as to alleged offences by any person will render this thread defunct and it will be deleted.
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On This Morning she seemed to hint that they are looking at going after some of the [ censored word ]s.
Who is "she"...I hope it's not just the name of a song.
Can you please elucidate us?
As for going after "Internet [ censored word ]s", I support that, but I wish that whoever intends to do it has a very thick skin.
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On This Morning she seemed to hint that they are looking at going after some of the [ censored word ]s.
Who is "she"...I hope it's not just the name of a song.
Can you please elucidate us?
As for going after "Internet [ censored word ]s", I support that, but I wish that whoever intends to do it has a very thick skin.
Oh, She has. Haven't we all by now? Same old same old. Really boring. Get a new script.
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Lets be clear posters. The person mention in this thread has not....repeat...HAS NOT...broken any Law nor been charged with any crime thus to speculate on this subject on this forum is unacceptable. All references to this individuals name and the unsubstantiated allegation have been removed.
The conduct of certain individuals on Twitter is reprehensible. For this social media site to permit impersonation of a respectable professional in such a manner says much more about the administrators of the site that it does the abusers.
Aye, there´s the rub- The McCanns have not been charged with any crime or broken any law- same as the individual. Yet people alleging that are allowed to post here.
How is your petard?
Excuse Mr. Administrator,
I find your position very honorable and condone your decision to forbid any unfounded accusation on any people.
Yet you allow that same treatment, that you now condemn, to be used towards Dr. Amaral, that although had been condemned to a suspended sentence for false declarations (because he signed the day sheet of his undergraduate where there was no reference to any torture session) had his sentence and condemnation annulled when a Court in Faro found that the accuser had lied and was sentenced to stay in prison for a further 7 months.
I hope your sword is not twisted.
Thanks
Luz
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The only case in history where The Tortured is sent to Prison and The Torturers remain Free. Tells you all you need to know about Portuguese Justice.
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The only case in history where The Tortured is sent to Prison and The Torturers remain Free. Tells you all you need to know about Portuguese Justice.
So you know better than the investigators, the public ministry and the judges. Ok.
And yet you are one of those that attempt to sell out that an archived case for insufficient evidence to prosecute clears the suspects of a crime.
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The Case was Shelved because Madeleine is still missing. This is perfectly normal. The Attorney General and Public Prosecutor are still awaiting New Evidence.
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Excuse Mr. Administrator,
I find your position very honorable and condone your decision to forbid any unfounded accusation on any people.
Yet you allow that same treatment, that you now condemn, to be used towards Dr. Amaral, that although had been condemned to a suspended sentence for false declarations (because he signed the day sheet of his undergraduate where there was no reference to any torture session) had his sentence and condemnation annulled when a Court in Faro found that the accuser had lied and was sentenced to stay in prison for a further 7 months.
I hope your sword is not twisted.
Thanks
Luz
I appreciate what you are saying Luz but the fact stands that Señor Amaral remains convicted of a crime. The Portuguese Police together with a Portuguese Court of Law determined this situation.
Do you not abide by their decision?
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Amaral's Sentence has not been annulled.
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Who is this chap Amaral? Was he one of the detectives on the McCann case by any chance.
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Amaral's Sentence has not been annulled.
Says who?!
It is part of the "acordão".
Don't you think that if a person that accused others has been found to have lied, and guilty in a court of law, those that have suffered the consequences of that person's actions are inevitablyinnocent
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Not annulling their sentences would be( with the due distance) like keeping a murder convicted sentenced even though the assumed murdered person emerged as a living individual.
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Two Portuguese Courts have ruled that Leonor Cipriano was Tortured. Just because she and they don't know who tortured her does not mean that it didn't happen.
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Two Portuguese Courts have ruled that Leonor Cipriano was Tortured. Just because she and they don't know who tortured her does not mean that it didn't happen.
WRONG.
One portuguese Court ruled that she had been tortured, although they couldn't identify the torturers (from among the 5 persons her lawyer orchestrated her to accuse - remember your friend M.A.C?), so as the 3 couldn't be found as torturers, because they weren't even in the premises when the alleged torture occurred, what was left was to accuse the other 2 for non reporting (occultation) and false testimony.
That trial was a shameful event and one that we, portuguese, shall never forget as long as Marinho Pinto and the former Attorney General live
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Two Portuguese Courts have ruled that Leonor Cipriano was Tortured. Just because she and they don't know who tortured her does not mean that it didn't happen.
By the way ask your friend why did the former prison director get transferred immediately after those accusations were disproved in the first trial.
In Portugal most of the people believe that Leonor received the treatment that children killers usually receive in prison. In fact there was a witness, a former prison mate that testified to that but was dismissed on the first court trial.
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Lets be clear posters. The person mention in this thread has not....repeat...HAS NOT...broken any Law nor been charged with any crime thus to speculate on this subject on this forum is unacceptable. All references to this individuals name and the unsubstantiated allegation have been removed.
The conduct of certain individuals on Twitter is reprehensible. For this social media site to permit impersonation of a respectable professional in such a manner says much more about the administrators of the site that it does the abusers.
Aye, there´s the rub- The McCanns have not been charged with any crime or broken any law- same as the individual. Yet people alleging that are allowed to post here.
How is your petard?
Excuse Mr. Administrator,
I find your position very honorable and condone your decision to forbid any unfounded accusation on any people.
Yet you allow that same treatment, that you now condemn, to be used towards Dr. Amaral, that although had been condemned to a suspended sentence for false declarations (because he signed the day sheet of his undergraduate where there was no reference to any torture session) had his sentence and condemnation annulled when a Court in Faro found that the accuser had lied and was sentenced to stay in prison for a further 7 months.
I hope your sword is not twisted.
Thanks
Luz
I have asked you several times for a cite that Amaral is no longer under a suspended sentence of imprisonment.
You seem to keep forgetting to post it.
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Not being an [ censored word ] - I wouldn't waste my energy on that - but not having the least sympathy for the McCanns,
"Will the McCanns target the Internet [ censored word ]s Next?"
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Amaral's Sentence has not been annulled.
Says who?!
It is part of the "acordão".
Don't you think that if a person that accused others has been found to have lied, and guilty in a court of law, those that have suffered the consequences of that person's actions are inevitablyinnocent
?
Not annulling their sentences would be( with the due distance) like keeping a murder convicted sentenced even though the assumed murdered person emerged as a living individual.
Cite pleae.
I believe this is an erroneous assumption that you are making.
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Two Portuguese Courts have ruled that Leonor Cipriano was Tortured. Just because she and they don't know who tortured her does not mean that it didn't happen.
WRONG.
One portuguese Court ruled that she had been tortured, although they couldn't identify the torturers (from among the 5 persons her lawyer orchestrated her to accuse - remember your friend M.A.C?), so as the 3 couldn't be found as torturers, because they weren't even in the premises when the alleged torture occurred, what was left was to accuse the other 2 for non reporting (occultation) and false testimony.
That trial was a shameful event and one that we, portuguese, shall never forget as long as Marinho Pinto and the former Attorney General live
No, you are wrong. Amaral's sentence was confirmed on Appeal in a higher Court, along with the sentence of his cohort for Falsifying Evidence.
Or should we now doubt the ability of The Judges and The Courts to reach a correct verdict?
Mind you, I might actually agree with you on that one. The Original Trial of The Ciprianos was indeed shameful. And from what I have seen in The Portuguese Media, quite a lot of Portuguese people agree with me.
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If Amaral's sentence had been annulled surely there would have had to be a formal annulment in court - do you have the details of this? Has it been reported in the PT press? I'm sure it would be big news over there, so please provide the links.
I told you, it's in the "Acordão". If you pay me I can think about translating it. Your friends the McCs might consider covering the expenses by their Fund.
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Who is this chap Amaral? Was he one of the detectives on the McCann case by any chance.
Yes, he was, although how he came to be in charge of The McCann Case when he was made an Arguido on the day after Madeleine disappeared, will forever remain a mystery.
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If Amaral's sentence had been annulled surely there would have had to be a formal annulment in court - do you have the details of this? Has it been reported in the PT press? I'm sure it would be big news over there, so please provide the links.
I told you, it's in the "Acordão". If you pay me I can think about translating it. Your friends the McCs might consider covering the expenses by their Fund.
Just your imagination then......
Cite please, in Portuguese if you insist.
No cite, no believe.
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Lets be clear posters. The person mention in this thread has not....repeat...HAS NOT...broken any Law nor been charged with any crime thus to speculate on this subject on this forum is unacceptable. All references to this individuals name and the unsubstantiated allegation have been removed.
The conduct of certain individuals on Twitter is reprehensible. For this social media site to permit impersonation of a respectable professional in such a manner says much more about the administrators of the site that it does the abusers.
Aye, there´s the rub- The McCanns have not been charged with any crime or broken any law- same as the individual. Yet people alleging that are allowed to post here.
How is your petard?
Excuse Mr. Administrator,
I find your position very honorable and condone your decision to forbid any unfounded accusation on any people.
Yet you allow that same treatment, that you now condemn, to be used towards Dr. Amaral, that although had been condemned to a suspended sentence for false declarations (because he signed the day sheet of his undergraduate where there was no reference to any torture session) had his sentence and condemnation annulled when a Court in Faro found that the accuser had lied and was sentenced to stay in prison for a further 7 months.
I hope your sword is not twisted.
Thanks
Luz
I have asked you several times for a cite that Amaral is no longer under a suspended sentence of imprisonment.
You seem to keep forgetting to post it.
Read my answer to your colleague.
If you are such a clever person you can get to the transcripts in the Court of Faro and use any translator.
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Lets be clear posters. The person mention in this thread has not....repeat...HAS NOT...broken any Law nor been charged with any crime thus to speculate on this subject on this forum is unacceptable. All references to this individuals name and the unsubstantiated allegation have been removed.
The conduct of certain individuals on Twitter is reprehensible. For this social media site to permit impersonation of a respectable professional in such a manner says much more about the administrators of the site that it does the abusers.
Aye, there´s the rub- The McCanns have not been charged with any crime or broken any law- same as the individual. Yet people alleging that are allowed to post here.
How is your petard?
Excuse Mr. Administrator,
I find your position very honorable and condone your decision to forbid any unfounded accusation on any people.
Yet you allow that same treatment, that you now condemn, to be used towards Dr. Amaral, that although had been condemned to a suspended sentence for false declarations (because he signed the day sheet of his undergraduate where there was no reference to any torture session) had his sentence and condemnation annulled when a Court in Faro found that the accuser had lied and was sentenced to stay in prison for a further 7 months.
I hope your sword is not twisted.
Thanks
Luz
I have asked you several times for a cite that Amaral is no longer under a suspended sentence of imprisonment.
You seem to keep forgetting to post it.
Read my answer to your colleague.
If you are such a clever person you can get to the transcripts in the Court of Faro and use any translator.
Obstinate person.
If you cannot produce evidence for a statement you made, we are quite justified in beieving that what you said has no substance at all.
Thisd is like when I asked you to quote the law on Child Neglect in Portugal- you refused to do so becasue you knew that it required INTENT but did not want to have to admit you were wrong.
You are beginning to look a little dishonest and silly.
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If Amaral's sentence had been annulled surely there would have had to be a formal annulment in court - do you have the details of this? Has it been reported in the PT press? I'm sure it would be big news over there, so please provide the links.
I told you, it's in the "Acordão". If you pay me I can think about translating it. Your friends the McCs might consider covering the expenses by their Fund.
Are you telling me that the PT press couldn't be bothered to report this momentous turn of events when they reported that Cirpiano received 6 months for being tortured but being hazy on the details?
We are quite entitled to just believe that she has manufactured this just as she lost the Portuguese Law on Neglect.
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I guess the conviction will eventually lapse naturally.
How long was it suspended for?
And will Amaral still have a criminal record after it has lapsed?
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I guess the conviction will eventually lapse naturally.
How long was it suspended for?
And will Amaral still have a criminal record after it has lapsed?
I think you might find that Amaral has already served his time. Perhaps that is what Luz is talking about.
On the matter of Translations, I would rather rely on Google, or Pedro, or Heri, if he feels so inclined.
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I guess the conviction will eventually lapse naturally.
How long was it suspended for?
And will Amaral still have a criminal record after it has lapsed?
Convictions don't lapse surely?
The suspended element of it would, after the period that the sentence was suspended for had passed.
What I'm unsure of is whether there is an enduring criminal record thereafter ...
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I guess the conviction will eventually lapse naturally.
How long was it suspended for?
And will Amaral still have a criminal record after it has lapsed?
Convictions don't lapse surely?
Amaral would surely still remain with a Criminal Record, but has now probably served his time on this one. Remember that his Sentence was Suspended because it was a First Offence. So obviously these things stay on record.
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Well strike a light luz is back, it is like watching paint dry waiting for evidence to back up her claims.
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"Joana Morais said... 9 Roseanne, blame it on the lazy Lusa journos who just copy/pasted the extra bit from the end results of the previous trial (2009) without adding any information as to the consequences of Leonor being convicted for making false accusations - but I did try explain that in the notes bellow the news article. And yes you are right, the two PJ inspectors were wrongfully convicted and their sentences will hopefully be overturned soon, or as soon as possible since we're talking about Portuguese justice. There are still other issues, as pointed by dagama and myself in this blog, regarding the roles of certain people in this affair, which need or deserve to be fully investigated and taken to court."
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Quote:
"Joana Morais said... 9 Roseanne, blame it on the lazy Lusa journos who just copy/pasted the extra bit from the end results of the previous trial (2009) without adding any information as to the consequences of Leonor being convicted for making false accusations - but I did try explain that in the notes bellow the news article. And yes you are right, the two PJ inspectors were wrongfully convicted and their sentences will hopefully be overturned soon, or as soon as possible since we're talking about Portuguese justice. There are still other issues, as pointed by dagama and myself in this blog, regarding the roles of certain people in this affair, which need or deserve to be fully investigated and taken to court."
Good one. I knew that Luz was fibbing again.
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of course Morais may be wrong
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Well strike a light luz is back, it is like watching paint dry waiting for evidence to back up her claims.
Thanks for your welcome msg. I try, but its a hard job to swim between your diatribes.
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of course Morais may be wrong
What? God forbid.
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Well someone is wrong - is it Luz or is it JoMo? YOU decide!
Wait a minute. I am not here to be compared with anyone else, thank you.
I am my own, and one thing I am not is a feeder for those that aim to twist every document they get from Portugal.
I like to exchange views but do not expect me to be your mother-bird.
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Well someone is wrong - is it Luz or is it JoMo? YOU decide!
Wait a minute. I am not here to be compared with anyone else, thank you.
I am my own, and one thing I am not is a feeder for those that aim to twist every document they get from Portugal.
I like to exchange views but do not expect me to be your mother-bird.
So why are you lying about Goncalo Amaral's conviction being annulled, Luz?
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I hope they do. Something needs to be done about some of the people on the internet.
There are some on twitter for example that are telling downright lies about them, drumming up hatred for the McCanns by saying things are true when they are not.
One person on twitter is using the face of one of the Tapas friends and is insinuating this person is a p..........e this certainly can't be right can it?
Hi Lace, you make some excellent points there and I can very much sympathise with your point of view... there are some particularly nasty posters on the net - however it's people like Tony Bennett and Goncalo Amaral who take their lies and hatred into the real world who need to be stopped in their tracks with legal action. Bennet has been taught an expensive lesson for his lies and stalking.
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We will have to take anything Luz says as a potential error until she starts to provide cites.
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We will have to take anything Luz says as a potential error until she starts to provide cites.
I am still waiting for Luz to explain why she/he is lying about Goncalo Amaral's conviction being annulled.....
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Well someone is wrong - is it Luz or is it JoMo? YOU decide!
Wait a minute. I am not here to be compared with anyone else, thank you.
I am my own, and one thing I am not is a feeder for those that aim to twist every document they get from Portugal.
I like to exchange views but do not expect me to be your mother-bird.
hold on sec - you said you had been to some official place and read the document that proved you were correct. I believe you then offered your translation services in return for money. Up until now - this document that you believe will be twisted has only been seen by you?
You certainly paint a strange scenario - after all I posted something that seems to disagree with what you said.
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Well someone is wrong - is it Luz or is it JoMo? YOU decide!
Wait a minute. I am not here to be compared with anyone else, thank you.
I am my own, and one thing I am not is a feeder for those that aim to twist every document they get from Portugal.
I like to exchange views but do not expect me to be your mother-bird.
hold on sec - you said you had been to some official place and read the document that proved you were correct. I believe you then offered your translation services in return for money. Up until now - this document that you believe will be twisted has only been seen by you?
You certainly paint a strange scenario - after all I posted something that seems to disagree with what you said.
Luz is lying about Amaral's conviction being annulled, and slagging Kate and Gerry McCann off like there was no tomorrow. Yet I bet she wouldn't turn down medical treatment from either of them if her life was in danger and they were the only doctors around.
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The bottom line is that there is no reference in the Portuguese Press to Gonçalo Amaral having his conviction overturned or annulled. It is true to say that he hopes it will be so but that is a matter for the courts.
As it stands he is convicted of a crime so please bear this in mind when posting.
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The bottom line is that there is no reference in the Portuguese Press to Gonçalo Amaral having his conviction overturned or annulled. It is true to say that he hopes it will be so but that is a matter for the courts.
As it stands he is convicted of a crime so please bear this in mind when posting.
Of course Luz could provide the evidence that she has seen in which case we will all apologise.
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The bottom line is that there is no reference in the Portuguese Press to Gonçalo Amaral having his conviction overturned or annulled. It is true to say that he hopes it will be so but that is a matter for the courts.
As it stands he is convicted of a crime so please bear this in mind when posting.
Of course Luz could provide the evidence that she has seen in which case we will all apologise.
He also appealed against that conviction and his appeal was turned down I believe.
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How do you feel about this Faithlilly? Does it give you a sense of satisfaction to know that this person's reputation has been trashed online?
It brings me no satisfaction whatsoever however neither does knowing that that very same person, when asked, was unable to step up to the plate to find out what happened to their friend's child.