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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Heriberto Janosch on May 07, 2013, 04:11:23 PM
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Psychics, Criminal Profilers, Trolls ... What is the difference?
Only a question to all the forum people ...
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/05/amanda_berry_is_dead_psychic_t.html (http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/05/amanda_berry_is_dead_psychic_t.html)
Heri.
Amanda Berry is dead, psychic tells her mother on Montel Williams' show (republished)
For 19 months, Louwana Miller refused to give up hope that her missing daughter might still be alive.
Not anymore.
Desperate for any clue as to Amanda Berry’s whereabouts, and tired of unanswered questions from authorities, Miller turned to a psychic on Montel Williams’ nationally syndicated television show.
The psychic said what the FBI, police and Miller hadn’t.
“She’s not alive, honey,” Sylvia Browne told her matter-of-factly. “Your daughter’s not the kind who wouldn’t call.”
With those blunt words, Browne persuaded Miller to accept a grim probability that has become more likely with each passing day.
Miller went back to the West Side home where she had been keeping Amanda’s things in careful order and cleaned up. She gave away her daughter’s computer and took down her pictures. “I’m not even buying my baby a Christmas present this year,” she said.
Miller said she returned devastated from the show, taped this month in New York.
“I lost it,” she said.
Miller said she believes “98 percent” in Browne.
“Please don’t misunderstand me. I still don’t want to believe it. I want to have hope but, after a year and a half, what else is there?” Miller said. “It seems like the God-honest truth. My daughter would always call home.”
The FBI and police put less faith in Browne’s powers, saying they still will consider Berry alive and missing until her body or evidence is found to prove otherwise, officials said.
Amanda disappeared April 21, 2003, a day before her 17th birthday.
She left work at Burger King at West 110th Street and Lorain Avenue, about a 10-minute walk from home. The 5-foot-4, 110-pound, brown-eyed teen phoned her sister en route to say she had a ride home.
At Miller’s request, FBI agents investigating Amanda’s disappearance met with Miller after the show to discuss Browne’s other psychic views on the case, special agent Kelly Liberti said.
Browne said she envisioned Amanda’s jacket in a Dumpster with “DNA on it.”
Liberti and Cleveland police spokesman Lt. Wayne Drummond said their law-enforcement agencies listen to all information from all sources, but do not employ or seek the assistance of psychics.
This story was originally published in The Plain Dealer on Nov. 18, 2004. It was written by Stephen Hudak.
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Not much you can say about that, is there. Cadaver Dogs and Psychics discredited in one fell swoop. And more than one person deprived of hope.
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They are about as accurate as any pretendy detectives, pro or anti, who think they know what happened to Madeleine!
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I guess I just get sick to death of these people insisting that Madeleine is dead. And when asked, I have on occasions tried to offer a solution to the opposite, while not actually knowing anything at all of absolute fact.
Silly me. You can't describe "Hope" to people like this.
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I guess I just get sick to death of these people insisting that Madeleine is dead. And when asked, I have on occasions tried to offer a solution to the opposite, while not actually knowing anything at all of absolute fact.
Silly me. You can't describe "Hope" to people like this.
I hope she is alive; I fear she is dead.
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I guess I just get sick to death of these people insisting that Madeleine is dead. And when asked, I have on occasions tried to offer a solution to the opposite, while not actually knowing anything at all of absolute fact.
Silly me. You can't describe "Hope" to people like this.
I hope she is alive; I fear she is dead.
I try not to fear. Hope is all we have in the absence of any proof to the contrary. Of course I have considered the possibility that Madeleine is dead. But while I don't know if she is then I will go on hoping. It is the nature of this particular beast This is what makes me a generally happy person.
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I guess I just get sick to death of these people insisting that Madeleine is dead. And when asked, I have on occasions tried to offer a solution to the opposite, while not actually knowing anything at all of absolute fact.
Silly me. You can't describe "Hope" to people like this.
I hope she is alive; I fear she is dead.
I try not to fear. Hope is all we have in the absence of any proof to the contrary. Of course I have considered the possibility that Madeleine is dead. But while I don't know if she is then I will go on hoping. It is the nature of this particular beast This is what makes me a generally happy person.
Eleanor, I agree with you, absolutely. Heri.
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I guess I just get sick to death of these people insisting that Madeleine is dead. And when asked, I have on occasions tried to offer a solution to the opposite, while not actually knowing anything at all of absolute fact.
Silly me. You can't describe "Hope" to people like this.
I hope she is alive; I fear she is dead.
I try not to fear. Hope is all we have in the absence of any proof to the contrary. Of course I have considered the possibility that Madeleine is dead. But while I don't know if she is then I will go on hoping. It is the nature of this particular beast This is what makes me a generally happy person.
Eleanor, I agree with you, absolutely. Heri.
Thank you, Heri.
I don't know what to say to people who don't have my sort of hope. It is what has kept me going through my fair share of disasters. I deal with disaster when it happens. Hope is what makes me able to.
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Are we seriously being asked to debate the difference between Lee Rainbow and Derek Acorah ?
... seriously ?
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Are we seriously being asked to debate the difference between Lee Rainbow and Derek Acorah ?
... seriously ?
We are not debaitng! Please, icabodcrane, tell us what is the difference in their methods, and if they are scientific, or not? 8(0(* ... seriously!
Heri.
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And when asked, I have on occasions tried to offer a solution to the opposite, while not actually knowing anything at all of absolute fact.
May I ask ?
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And when asked, I have on occasions tried to offer a solution to the opposite, while not actually knowing anything at all of absolute fact.
May I ask ?
That was not my intention on this occasion.
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And when asked, I have on occasions tried to offer a solution to the opposite, while not actually knowing anything at all of absolute fact.
May I ask ?
That was not my intention on this occasion.
I expect from your generosity it is your intention in any occasion provided that the requiring ones' lives depend on hope.
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And when asked, I have on occasions tried to offer a solution to the opposite, while not actually knowing anything at all of absolute fact.
May I ask ?
That was not my intention on this occasion.
I expect from your generosity it is your intention in any occasion provided that the requiring ones' lives depend on hope.
I don't need to speculate to give people hope. And I have discovered that it is a waste of time anyway.
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Joe Power, a psychic from the UK, did an interview about three weeks ago where he discusses his views on what happened to Madeleine. Perhaps most of you know this already. I find it interesting that he also considers the house at 5 Pescadores, opposite the church in Praia da Luz as significant. I cannot find a direct link, but on Google and Facebook you can access the link.
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Joe Power, a psychic from the UK, did an interview about three weeks ago where he discusses his views on what happened to Madeleine. Perhaps most of you know this already. I find it interesting that he also considers the house at 5 Pescadores, opposite the church in Praia da Luz as significant. I cannot find a direct link, but on Google and Facebook you can access the link.
This Joe Power, lad from Liverpool?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duxQA9TcDcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duxQA9TcDcA)
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This Joe Power, lad from Liverpool?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duxQA9TcDcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duxQA9TcDcA)
I don’t know. He seems ‘credible’.
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Joe Power, a psychic from the UK, did an interview about three weeks ago where he discusses his views on what happened to Madeleine. Perhaps most of you know this already. I find it interesting that he also considers the house at 5 Pescadores, opposite the church in Praia da Luz as significant. I cannot find a direct link, but on Google and Facebook you can access the link.
He thinks she died in or very near to PdL. Not that psychics are high on my list of people to believe.
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I don’t know. He seems ‘credible’.
Trust me when I say he's not.
He's a charlatan. He plays to packed out pubs and social clubs, but it's generally harmless parlour tricks and cold reading. The girls love it. I'll give him this, I respect his chutzpah. You can't do what he does and carry it off without some serious town halls.
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Anyway, where did you dredge this thread from?
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He thinks she died in or very near to PdL. Not that psychics are high on my list of people to believe.
Yes is that really a revelation? He thinks she dies in or near PDL. no sht Sherlock many thousands think that!!!
He sounds like one of those > ok erm do you know someone with the initial J they say YES he say don't tell me it's john.. or jim? erm hang on its a bit fading what relation is he to you who passed on? Yes my uncle John dies recently... blah blah.
What I will about some spiritualists... do mess with that real stuff.
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Psychics rely on something that they can't prove exists. Criminal profilers use past occurances to try to predict the type of person who might have committed a crime, so they can show the evidence they based their profiles on. Both are at least trying to help to solve a crime.
Trolls have no such aims. Their aim is to cause discord and upset others. Their ploys on forums include;
Insulting other members.
Pretending they're always right and showing a determination to have the last word.
Using the excuse of being offended by post contents.
Posting off-topic to hamper debate.
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Psychics rely on something that they can't prove exists. Criminal profilers use past occurances to try to predict the type of person who might have committed a crime, so they can show the evidence they based their profiles on. Both are at least trying to help to solve a crime.
Trolls have no such aims. Their aim is to cause discord and upset others. Their ploys on forums include;
Insulting other members.
Pretending they're always right and showing a determination to have the last word.
Using the excuse of being offended by post contents.
Posting off-topic to hamper debate.
Imo you've just about summed yourself up
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Imo you've just about summed yourself up
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I find trolls make a lot of use of emojis too
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I find trolls make a lot of use of emojis too
Some of them think they're always right too.
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Some of them think they're always right too.
im sure you think you are right...or do you accept you are not..imo you are wrong about several things....but you think you are right. You really should realise that everything you are accusing others of applies to yourself....
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Joe Power, a psychic from the UK, did an interview about three weeks ago where he discusses his views on what happened to Madeleine. Perhaps most of you know this already. I find it interesting that he also considers the house at 5 Pescadores, opposite the church in Praia da Luz as significant. I cannot find a direct link, but on Google and Facebook you can access the link.
I telephone Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann. "The Portuguese and Leicestershire police have had over 1,000 psychic tip-offs," he tells me, "and they've followed up between 10% and 15% of them."
"What do you mean when you say 'followed up'?" I ask.
"If there's anything demonstrably checkable," he says, "an address, a car registration, a flight number, they check." He gives me an example: "One psychic telephoned Leicestershire police to say she'd had a vision of Madeleine playing with other children in a named farm in Seville. The Leicestershire police called the Spanish police who went and kicked a few doors in."
Clarence says that none of this should come as a great surprise. "Some forces in England use psychics," he points out. "They were used on the Milly Dowler case." Thirteen-year-old Milly Dowler vanished on her way home from school in Walton-on-Thames in March 2002. Her body was discovered six months later.
"It was quite strange, actually," Clarence goes on. "The psychic said that Milly would be found in woodland and she was." He pauses. "Even the Met occasionally uses psychics as an active line of inquiry."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/27/usa.jonronson (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/27/usa.jonronson)
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I telephone Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann. "The Portuguese and Leicestershire police have had over 1,000 psychic tip-offs," he tells me, "and they've followed up between 10% and 15% of them."
"What do you mean when you say 'followed up'?" I ask.
"If there's anything demonstrably checkable," he says, "an address, a car registration, a flight number, they check." He gives me an example: "One psychic telephoned Leicestershire police to say she'd had a vision of Madeleine playing with other children in a named farm in Seville. The Leicestershire police called the Spanish police who went and kicked a few doors in."
Clarence says that none of this should come as a great surprise. "Some forces in England use psychics," he points out. "They were used on the Milly Dowler case." Thirteen-year-old Milly Dowler vanished on her way home from school in Walton-on-Thames in March 2002. Her body was discovered six months later.
"It was quite strange, actually," Clarence goes on. "The psychic said that Milly would be found in woodland and she was." He pauses. "Even the Met occasionally uses psychics as an active line of inquiry."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/27/usa.jonronson (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/27/usa.jonronson)
Sacarie stuff! the American woman is just plain nasty. Strange thing is she did get thing right, then lost the power?
I give these people a wide berth, I will share with you why. My friends as a group of teenagers went to see a fortune teller in England when we were looking Universities to attend. Just for a bit of a laugh and would we get a boy friend and who fancied us etc. silly girly stuff. The old woman came out to where we were sitting and looked at strangely and said. Oh I need to speak to you. Giggling I followed her into a room. she held my hand and said the 'locket is under the car'. I had no idea what she was talking about, so smiled at everything she said. My sister would go to Australia, My cousin would go to America and never come back. well none of what she said made any sense,I wrote her off as fraud.
4 years later on my sisters anniversary (we were children when she died) My mum said Oh I wish the police could have given us all her personal belongings in including the locket. I suddenly got a jolt and asked about it. my sister took my mums locket and wore it on that day. I told her what the phycic said years before and was astonished when my dad said - I repaired that driveway few days after that. My dad went to the repair area dug it up and found the locket! 15 years later my sister did emigrate to Australia and my cousin was killed in America 17 years after being told this.
I believe the woman is dead. I steer clear of these people!. Too many are frauds.
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Sacarie stuff! the American woman is just plain nasty. Strange thing is she did get thing right, then lost the power?
I give these people a wide berth, I will share with you why. My friends as a group of teenagers went to see a fortune teller in England when we were looking Universities to attend. Just for a bit of a laugh and would we get a boy friend and who fancied us etc. silly girly stuff. The old woman came out to where we were sitting and looked at strangely and said. Oh I need to speak to you. Giggling I followed her into a room. she held my hand and said the 'locket is under the car'. I had no idea what she was talking about, so smiled at everything she said. My sister would go to Australia, My cousin would go to America and never come back. well none of what she said made any sense,I wrote her off as fraud.
4 years later on my sisters anniversary (we were children when she died) My mum said Oh I wish the police could have given us all her personal belongings in including the locket. I suddenly got a jolt and asked about it. my sister took my mums locket and wore it on that day. I told her what the phycic said years before and was astonished when my dad said - I repaired that driveway few days after that. My dad went to the repair area dug it up and found the locket! 15 years later my sister did emigrate to Australia and my cousin was killed in America 17 years after being told this.
I believe the woman is dead. I steer clear of these people!. Too many are frauds.
this might seem astonishing to you but certainly to me...its just rubbish. No confirmation of anything ...just an anonymous internet poster making claims
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this might seem astonishing to you but certainly to me...its just rubbish. No confirmation of anything ...just an anonymous internet poster making claims
If I had believed her at the time I would have written it down!!!! I am not asking anyone to believe me- I am saying some are spooky , many are frauds and I steer clear of them all!
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If I had believed her at the time I would have written it down!!!! I am not asking anyone to believe me- I am saying some are spooky , many are frauds and I steer clear of them all!
I dont believe she foretold the future...thats quite barmy
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I dont believe she foretold the future...thats quite barmy
I only said what happened I can't explain it- It spooked me. Hence I steer well clear.
I know some people take comfort and pay a lot of money to phonies to tell them their loved ones are blah blah. I feel sorry for those vulnerable people being used.
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I only said what happened I can't explain it- It spooked me. Hence I steer well clear.
I know some people take comfort and pay a lot of money to phonies to tell them their loved ones are blah blah. I feel sorry for those vulnerable people being used.
i can explain it
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i can explain it
No Davel, no one can explain It. I have asked many religious people about certain things these people claim. I am very wary.
The locket under the car is just too stupid- as I looked under the car and it wasn't there- I never believed her until that day...
I am ok with you not believing me- I am not offended, I am not lying.
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No Davel, no one can explain It. I have asked many religious people about certain things these people claim. I am very wary.
The locket under the car is just too stupid- as I looked under the car and it wasn't there- I never believed her until that day...
I am ok with you not believing me- I am not offended, I am not lying.
i can explain it and you are not lying....your memory is letting you down and you are recalling it in such a way as to make things fit. Do you seriously beleive someone can fortell the future...thats plain daft
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i can explain it and you are not lying....your memory is letting you down and you are recalling it in such a way as to make things fit. Do you seriously beleive someone can fortell the future...thats plain daft
Taking you at your word Davel
I will ask my mum and dad later today-as this was 10 years ago he found the locket. They are very down to earth no nonsense people!
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https://youtu.be/zh74g9YMcv4
I am only sharing.
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https://youtu.be/zh74g9YMcv4
I am only sharing.
Bless him. He's a trier, I'll give him that.
It's interesting, because this is a new string to the bow, finding clues and missing people. He's usually to be found cold reading at The Bentley Cabaret Club in town to an audience of a couple of dozen girls who've spilled out of the bingo.
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If I had believed her at the time I would have written it down!!!! I am not asking anyone to believe me- I am saying some are spooky , many are frauds and I steer clear of them all!
They are all on the make, you don't see many of them doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.
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I read Palms. I have never been paid yet. I don't know if i am any good at this. I don't really care.
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They are all on the make, you don't see many of them doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.
Some do at spiritual churches I believe. They do not charge.
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Taking you at your word Davel
I will ask my mum and dad later today-as this was 10 years ago he found the locket. They are very down to earth no nonsense people!
I discueed this with my parents and this is what they recall:
Mum. We were all talking about xxxxx as we usually do at our family anniversary, J mentioned she got a new tattoo and a necklace for her Birthday previous week, I said it looked like the one I had and xxxx wore it on her death day. YOU (me) said what about that, I said oh I think it got lost with the belongings given back from police,you said what got lost- I said my necklace that xxx was wearing. You went into the kitchen and stood very quiet for ages. M asked what was wrong and you said It may be under the driveway I said how could you know that, you said you didn't know she was wearing it. M and J came into the Kitchen we all discussed the possibility but couldn't believe it got under the mono block, Dad made an entry and said oh there was a crack on the drive where the car is parked that is why we got mono block on one side of the house. M&J and Dad Went outside and removed some bricks where the cracked paving stone used to be and found the locket! It must have fell of while you were playing chase.
I have no reason to make this up, I could have not typed anything and spared any ridicule coming my way. I just thought I would anyway.
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I discueed this with my parents and this is what they recall:
Mum. We were all talking about xxxxx as we usually do at our family anniversary, J mentioned she got a new tattoo and a necklace for her Birthday previous week, I said it looked like the one I had and xxxx wore it on her death day. YOU (me) said what about that, I said oh I think it got lost with the belongings given back from police,you said what got lost- I said my necklace that xxx was wearing. You went into the kitchen and stood very quiet for ages. M asked what was wrong and you said It may be under the driveway I said how could you know that, you said you didn't know she was wearing it. M and J came into the Kitchen we all discussed the possibility but couldn't believe it got under the mono block, Dad made an entry and said oh there was a crack on the drive where the car is parked that is why we got mono block on one side of the house. M&J and Dad Went outside and removed some bricks where the cracked paving stone used to be and found the locket! It must have fell of while you were playing chase.
I have no reason to make this up, I could have not typed anything and spared any ridicule coming my way. I just thought I would anyway.
I'm getting the letter A....could be Andy...and there a ring....how am I doing...he suffered in the chest area...or leg...not to clear
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I'm getting the letter A....could be Andy...and there a ring....how am I doing...he suffered in the chest area...or leg...not to clear
Yes, Davel that is how I View these charlatans. Fake to the core. However, that is not the way the lady talked to me.
I can't say I am a believer in these things, I am very guarded , and stay clear of them.
But I can't explain what happened as I explain it, neither can any of my family.
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Yes, Davel that is how I View these charlatans. Fake to the core. However, that is not the way the lady talked to me.
I can't say I am a believer in these things, I am very guarded , and stay clear of them.
But I can't explain what happened as I explain it, neither can any of my family.
As I've said I can explain it but we will have to agree to disagree...
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As I've said I can explain it but we will have to agree to disagree...
sure thing D.
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As I've said I can explain it but we will have to agree to disagree...
I knew you were going to say that. So predictable is D.
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I knew you were going to say that. So predictable is D.
so now you can predict the future too...lol
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so now you can predict the future too...lol
You're on record as stating that you have that ability.
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You're on record as stating that you have that ability.
I can.....look at the context..
Today people will die from Corona virus...how's that
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I can.....look at the context..
Today people will die from Corona virus...how's that
Look at Rob's context. He's referencing years of your input and making a similar informed opinion using the data.
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Look at Rob's context. He's referencing years of your input and making a similar informed opinion using the data.
He should state it's his opinion...and I think he's totally wrong. It's also an ad hom..it's also very unimpressive to claim you can predict something when it's already happened..
It's called being right after the event
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He should state it's his opinion...and I think he's totally wrong. It's also an ad hom..it's also very unimpressive to claim you can predict something when it's already happened..
It's called being right after the event
How about it's just an off the cuff remark?
I think your perception is tainted by the fact that you just don't like the guy.
I think, as far as anonymous, antipodean veterinarians occasionally moderating an obscure justice forum in his spare time go, he's alright.
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How about it's just an off the cuff remark?
I think your perception is tainted by the fact that you just don't like the guy.
I think, as far as anonymous, antipodean veterinarians occasionally moderating an obscure justice forum in his spare time go, he's alright.
You are miles wide of the mark
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I can.....look at the context..
Today people will die from Corona virus...how's that
Is it the virus or the body's reaction to the virus that kills?
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Look at Rob's context. He's referencing years of your input and making a similar informed opinion using the data.
Exactly.
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He should state it's his opinion...and I think he's totally wrong. It's also an ad hom..it's also very unimpressive to claim you can predict something when it's already happened..
It's called being right after the event
I've never hear that before.
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How about it's just an off the cuff remark?
I think your perception is tainted by the fact that you just don't like the guy.
I think, as far as anonymous, antipodean veterinarians occasionally moderating an obscure justice forum in his spare time go, he's alright.
I can't agree more. Absolutely right. Retired vet now.
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Exactly.
You stated opinion...and you are wrong..imo.
I'm not particularly bothered about your misguided opinion
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You stated opinion...and you are wrong..imo.
I'm not particularly bothered about your misguided opinion
I know what it is like to have premonitions that come to pass. Whether that entitles me to say I can see the future I'm not sure, for it never feels like a thing I can do but rather something that just randomly happens.
When I read about how Kate listened to some who had dreams but later wrote a chapter in her book saying they were basically all nutters I didn't know exactly into what category she would put me.
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I know what it is like to have premonitions that come to pass. Whether that entitles me to say I can see the future I'm not sure, for it never feels like a thing I can do but rather something that just randomly happens.
When I read about how Kate listened to some who had dreams but later wrote a chapter in her book saying they were basically all nutters I didn't know exactly into what category she would put me.
Both psychics and religious people put their faith in things they can't see or explain. What's the difference?
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Both psychics and religious people put their faith in things they can't see or explain. What's the difference?
When you have had premonitions of the future and revelations of the past and they, in the end, appear to be truths, I find I believe in both premonitions and in God. But that doesn't mean all psychics are correct or all believers are equal either.
To me, both are gifts, and not something I can conjure up myself.
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When you have had premonitions of the future and revelations of the past and they, in the end, appear to be truths, I find I believe in both premonitions and in God. But that doesn't mean all psychics are correct or all believers are equal either.
To me, both are gifts, and not something I can conjure up myself.
Sorry Rob but there is no real evidence of any psychic ability....I wish there was. You may have convinced yourself there is but in reality there is no real evidence
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Sorry Rob but there is no real evidence of any psychic ability....I wish there was. You may have convinced yourself there is but in reality there is no real evidence
Agreed.
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Agreed.
I think in reality he exposed Geller as a fraud
About 30 yeras ago james randi offerred 1 million dollars to anyone who could supply proof of psychic ability....to this day taht sum has never been claimed
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About 30 yeras ago james randi offerred 1 million dollars to anyone who could supply proof of psychic ability....to this day taht sum has never been claimed
Indeed.
Have you ever come across anything even remotely compelling that piqued your interest?
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Sorry Rob but there is no real evidence of any psychic ability....I wish there was. You may have convinced yourself there is but in reality there is no real evidence
What would you call real evidence? I'd love to have evidence. I'll work on it.
Agreed.
In the military maybe you'd call it instinct, gut feeling or something like that, but what I'm talking about is more accurate than that. It is rare. Not an everyday thing, for sure.
About 30 yeras ago james randi offerred 1 million dollars to anyone who could supply proof of psychic ability....to this day taht sum has never been claimed
I submitted a proposal to go into that challenge. But they said I had to pass some other test before the Randi Challenge. It became so complicated it never eventuated it was plastered on the internet that I had failed.
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About 30 yeras ago james randi offerred 1 million dollars to anyone who could supply proof of psychic ability....to this day taht sum has never been claimed
Thinking back to those days it was being arranged in the weeks prior to the 9/11 attack. (September 11, 2001) So it was a while ago now.
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What would you call real evidence? I'd love to have evidence. I'll work on it.
In the military maybe you'd call it instinct, gut feeling or something like that, but what I'm talking about is more accurate than that. It is rare. Not an everyday thing, for sure.
I submitted a proposal to go into that challenge. But they said I had to pass some other test before the Randi Challenge. It became so complicated it never eventuated it was plastered on the internet that I had failed.
Really? Have you still got the proposal? Fair play, put your conviction to the test.
In the military there's always talk of 'gut feeling', but I think it's primeval instincts and neurotransmitters providing cognitive input.
There's many a story of 'knowing' something is about to go off, or there's a Tango on a rooftop or whatever, but for every one of those there's 10 terrible accounts of lads / lasses stumbling in to IED's or ambushes.
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Thinking back to those days it was being arranged in the weeks prior to the 9/11 attack. (September 11, 2001) So it was a while ago now.
Did any psychic predict 9/11
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Did any psychic predict 9/11
Yep, I did.
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Really? Have you still got the proposal? Fair play, put your conviction to the test.
In the military there's always talk of 'gut feeling', but I think it's primeval instincts and neurotransmitters providing cognitive input.
There's many a story of 'knowing' something is about to go off, or there's a Tango on a rooftop or whatever, but for every one of those there's 10 terrible accounts of lads / lasses stumbling in to IED's or ambushes.
Those days were different than today, nearly 19 years ago. The proposal was being discussed and not yet agreed to but they say I failed. It was on the internet right up to several years ago. I don't go and check constantly.
It wasn't easy to find as it was so long ago. http://ntskeptics.org/resources/the-north-texas-skeptics-paranormal-challenge/challenge-activity/
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Those days were different than today, nearly 19 years ago. The proposal was being discussed and not yet agreed to but they say I failed. It was on the internet right up to several years ago. I don't go and check constantly.
It wasn't easy to find as it was so long ago. http://ntskeptics.org/resources/the-north-texas-skeptics-paranormal-challenge/challenge-activity/
The point is no one was able to show paranormal skills...
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The point is no one was able to show paranormal skills...
They didn't let me try. All they wanted was predictions of earthquakes and the like.
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They didn't let me try. All they wanted was predictions of earthquakes and the like.
That wasn't the Randi test...he was looking for any proven psychic ability
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They didn't let me try. All they wanted was predictions of earthquakes and the like.
Let's do a remote viewing experiment. I'll download an image of a random place, but with a distinguishable landmark. I'll 'send' it to you via special thought molecules.
I'll drag Davel in to the experiment, against his will, because he kin hates me, who can be our Randi.
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Let's do a remote viewing experiment. I'll download an image of a random place, but with a distinguishable landmark. I'll 'send' it to you via special thought molecules.
I'll drag Davel in to the experiment, against his will, because he kin hates me, who can be our Randi.
You say I hate you which confirm s you have no psychic abilities
Table top mountain
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https://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/135069/I-m-the-Soham-psychic
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You say I hate you which confirm s you have no psychic abilities
Table top mountain
O M G.......
I haven't started yet.
Right......GO!
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https://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/135069/I-m-the-Soham-psychic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd79Ie_vWyQ&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd79Ie_vWyQ&t=1s)
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O M G.......
I haven't started yet.
Right......GO!
Eiffel Tower
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Eiffel Tower
SH!T! That is actually pretty damn close!!
It was Arc de Triomphe.
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SH!T! That is actually pretty damn close!!
It was Arc de Triomphe.
I think that counts as a hit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd79Ie_vWyQ&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd79Ie_vWyQ&t=1s)
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I think that counts as a hit
It does. Incredible.
Get Randi on the blower.
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That wasn't the Randi test...he was looking for any proven psychic ability
True but for some reason, I could only get to the Randi test if I passed the North Texas Skeptics first. Well, that is what I was told. True or not I don't know but that is what I was told.
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Let's do a remote viewing experiment. I'll download an image of a random place, but with a distinguishable landmark. I'll 'send' it to you via special thought molecules.
I'll drag Davel in to the experiment, against his will, because he kin hates me, who can be our Randi.
You can set up any experiment you like but that is not the nature of premonitory dreams. Same with the North Texas Skeptics they wanted me to perform to their conditions and not to what I claimed happens to me.
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True but for some reason, I could only get to the Randi test if I passed the North Texas Skeptics first. Well, that is what I was told. True or not I don't know but that is what I was told.
Can you do any better than Davel on the Remote Viewing Challenge?
I sent Davel the image of the Arc De Triomphe earlier, through the medium of spooky action and special molecule transference. He got to within 2km of the correct answer, having received the image of the Eiffel Tower.
Are you ready?
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Can you do any better than Davel on the Remote Viewing Challenge?
I sent Davel the image of the Arc De Triomphe earlier, through the medium of spooky action and special molecule transference. He got to within 2km of the correct answer, having received the image of the Eiffel Tower.
Are you ready?
you sent me an image...it could have been anywhere in the world. Not only did i get the correct country....the city...but within 2km of the target. sorry I should have concentrated a little more
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you sent me an image...it could have been anywhere in the world. Not only did i get the correct country....the city...but within 2km of the target. sorry i should have concentrated a little more
It was absolutely genuine too for a change.
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It was absolutely genuine too for a change.
spooky action at a distance.
Entanglement is what Einstein referred to as "spooky action at a distance." It's a phenomenon by which one particle can effectively "know" something about another particle instantaneously, even if those two particles are separated by a great distance
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It does. Incredible.
Get Randi on the blower.
That would be a fail IMO. Waste of time ringing Randi for they would want you to do it 10 times in a row.
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That would be a fail IMO. Waste of time ringing Randi for they would want you to do it 10 times in a row.
sounds like sour grapes.....ive rung him and he was very impressed...asked me who to make the cheque out too
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Can you do any better than Davel on the Remote Viewing Challenge?
I sent Davel the image of the Arc De Triomphe earlier, through the medium of spooky action and special molecule transference. He got to within 2km of the correct answer, having received the image of the Eiffel Tower.
Are you ready?
No, because that doesn't happen to me.
sounds like sour grapes.....ive rung him and he was very impressed...asked me who to make the cheque out too
No, I was impressed. Maybe you are more psychic than you realize.
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No, because that doesn't happen to me.
No, I was impressed. Maybe you are more psychic than you realize.
I'm only joking Rob,
Perhaps I am ...I am very interested ....perhaps it does have s rational explanation related to entanglement.
There was something on FB that claimed to be a letter from Einstein but it's reckoned to be fake. In it he talked of another great force..the force of love.
I tend to believe in the power of good...that too can be a very powerful force
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I'm only joking Rob,
Perhaps I am ...I am very interested ....perhaps it does have s rational explanation related to entanglement.
There was something on FB that claimed to be a letter from Einstein but it's reckoned to be fake. In it he talked of another great force..the force of love.
I tend to believe in the power of good...that too can be a very powerful force
I knew you were joking for I have listened to virtually all the YouTube videos on or about James Randi, and he has stopped offering the prize. There were questions as to whether he really had a million dollars to lose.
I'm sure he would have lost to me.
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https://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/135069/I-m-the-Soham-psychic
SY got in touch with psychic, medium Matt James too.
Matt mentioned it on his website, but I can't see it now.
His insites are very difficult to understand , for me anyhow and his website is so huge it is even more difficult to find your way around.
Being from a technical background, I never believed in psychics but now I do (in some psychics). This is because having been impossible to understand, one of his runes suddenly meant something to me and confirmed my investigations of where Madeleine was at the time. It suddenly jumped out of the page to me what the runes meant.
And it was nowhere that I have heard anyone mentiion. Right off the radar for everyone else. Uncanny it was when the runes were unravelled. All but one confirmed my conclusions but I couldn't understand the one rune
And there was another place he identified, which I had supporting evidence/pointers for ... and that was in Africa. Africa is a big place so I feel safe that I haven't let the cat out of the bag there.
So, yep I do believe that some psychics have a gift.
PS. Not quite the same but I once tried devining with very simple equipment (two half wire coat hangers bent into L-shapes) and I was the only one in the group able to devine. The coat hangers ' took off ' and just crossed when I got to the right place. Amazing.
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SY got in touch with psychic, medium Matt James too.
Matt mentioned it on his website, but I can't see it now.
His insites are very difficult to understand , for me anyhow and his website is so huge it is even more difficult to find your way around.
Being from a technical background, I never believed in psychics but now I do (in some psychics). This is because having been impossible to understand, one of his runes suddenly meant something to me and confirmed my investigations of where Madeleine was at the time. It suddenly jumped out of the page to me what the runes meant.
And it was nowhere that I have heard anyone mentiion. Right off the radar for everyone else. Uncanny it was when the runes were unravelled. All but one confirmed my conclusions but I couldn't understand the one rune
And there was another place he identified, which I had supporting evidence/pointers for ... and that was in Africa. Africa is a big place so I feel safe that I haven't let the cat out of the bag there.
So, yep I do believe that some psychics have a gift.
PS. Not quite the same but I once tried devining with very simple equipment (two half wire coat hangers bent into L-shapes) and I was the only one in the group able to devine. The coat hangers ' took off ' and just crossed when I got to the right place. Amazing.
What were you looking for at the time?
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What were you looking for at the time?
The telly remote.
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I'm only joking Rob,
Perhaps I am ...I am very interested ....perhaps it does have s rational explanation related to entanglement.
There was something on FB that claimed to be a letter from Einstein but it's reckoned to be fake. In it he talked of another great force..the force of love.
I tend to believe in the power of good...that too can be a very powerful force
I think we have to accept there are things we don't know and can't explain rationally. Having said that We may have lost our sixth sense which dogs and other animals have.
I find it interesting and did a study on phobias. Why would someone be afraid of snakes and spiders if they never actually had seen one or interacted with one. I concluded, with a bit or skepticism, that it was an irrational fear, unless the sixth sense has instilled a fear from back in our ancestry our forefathers did know to be afraid of poisonous spiders and killer snakes.
But is has been said -we don't know what we don't know!
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What were you looking for at the time?
Only divining mundane stuff; the ancient services routes. Water pipes in and waste/ sewage out etc.
Soz this has taken so long to respond to, but I did reply at the time but something keeps stopping me from posting. It also does not allow me to PM friends at all. And it will not allow me to log out usually so I have to close down the whole computer to exit the Justice website.
But strangely will allow me to give "likes" .... and allowed me to start the new thread Coronavirus Tips and Info.
It seems to be very selective, allowing some inoculous posts but NOT ALLOWING anything that is a powerful new point for the Mccann side.
Where is Slarti?
Last time I had any probs slightly akin to this is when he kept removing my posts, repeatedly, two or three years ago.
Doubt this will post, but fingers crossed
Effectively I am almost a non member now, cos I cannot post usually, nor PM friends.
ETA
oo-err! It let me in today 8(*(
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The telly remote.
This is disrespectful?
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Only divining mundane stuff; the ancient services routes. Water pipes in and waste/ sewage out etc.
Soz this has taken so long to respond to, but I did reply at the time but something keeps stopping me from posting. It also does not allow me to PM friends at all. And it will not allow me to log out usually so I have to close down the whole computer to exit the Justice website.
But strangely will allow me to give "likes" .... and allowed me to start the new thread Coronavirus Tips and Info.
It seems to be very selective, allowing some inoculous posts but NOT ALLOWING anything that is a powerful new point for the Mccann side.
Where is Slarti?
Last time I had any probs slightly akin to this is when he kept removing my posts, repeatedly, two or three years ago.
Doubt this will post, but fingers crossed
Effectively I am almost a non member now, cos I cannot post usually, nor PM friends.
ETA
oo-err! It let me in today 8(*(
I will start a petition!!
Let Sadie In! even though I am not a friend!!!
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This is disrespectful?
I think it was just a joke,not malicious.
If you look for offence you will find it whether it is there or not.
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I think it was just a joke,not malicious.
If you look for offence you will find it whether it is there or not.
I apologise. I did not get that.
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I think we have to accept there are things we don't know and can't explain rationally. Having said that We may have lost our sixth sense which dogs and other animals have.
I find it interesting and did a study on phobias. Why would someone be afraid of snakes and spiders if they never actually had seen one or interacted with one. I concluded, with a bit or skepticism, that it was an irrational fear, unless the sixth sense has instilled a fear from back in our ancestry our forefathers did know to be afraid of poisonous spiders and killer snakes.
But is has been said -we don't know what we don't know!
There's no evidence of anything supernatural....
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I will start a petition!!
Let Sadie In! even though I am not a friend!!!
No! b....r off!
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I apologise. I did not get that.
British humour is an acquired taste. Even some Brirish people don't always get it.
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This is disrespectful?
Finding the tele remote would be a very useful advantage.
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I will start a petition!!
Let Sadie In! even though I am not a friend!!!
Thanks Mistaken,
But with all the registered but generally non posting members on your side of the argument against the many fewer registered members on our side, it would be a walk over, if they were whipped up!
So I will decline the offer. Thank you.
Because of this diametrically opposed inbalance of posters, I never vote in any of the polls on here ... cos I always know that if wished it will always be a walk over to the one side with more members (which is your side)
Anyway, John tells me that the problem is not with the forum, but with my browser, or something like that
But I must admit to wondering where Slarti is ... and what he is doing these days?
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Thanks Mistaken,
But with all the registered but generally non posting members on your side of the argument against the many fewer registered members on our side, it would be a walk over, if they were whipped up!
So I will decline the offer. Thank you.
Because of this diametrically opposed inbalance of posters, I never vote in any of the polls on here ... cos I always know that if wished it will always be a walk over to the one side with more members (which is your side)
Anyway, John tells me that the problem is not with the forum, but with my browser, or something like that
But I must admit to wondering where Slarti is ... and what he is doing these days?
Hi Sadie, I don't have a side! I was going to advise regarding your browser, but got waylaid as usual.
I think it would be appreciated by those who do not support the McCann Narrative on this forum to be treated with a bit of respect. We are all entitled to not like people and we are all entitled to voice an opinion no matter if someone is offended, because at the end of the day debate done correctly can be an education. the sniping and goading on this McCann thread is unprecedented and unhealthy.
If Some one posted that Bojo is a ....ker Would tory voters be offended ? and should anyone care if they were?
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Hi Sadie, I don't have a side! I was going to advise regarding your browser, but got waylaid as usual.
I think it would be appreciated by those who do not support the McCann Narrative on this forum to be treated with a bit of respect. We are all entitled to not like people and we are all entitled to voice an opinion no matter if someone is offended, because at the end of the day debate done correctly can be an education. the sniping and goading on this McCann thread is unprecedented and unhealthy.
If Some one posted that Bojo is a ....ker Would tory voters be offended ? and should anyone care if they were?
What i would say is posting such a childish thing is a poor example to set our children...plus it points to someone having a low intellect
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What i would say is posting such a childish thing is a poor example to set our children...plus it points to someone having a low intellect
Aha back to the low intellect/mentally ill charge of old. Good for you Davel. You are an expert on child welfare now.? I can't help but be impressed how you have grown with google. 8)--))
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Aha back to the low intellect/mentally ill charge of old. Good for you Davel. You are an expert on child welfare now.? I can't help but be impressed how you have grown with google. 8)--))
I think its extremely low intellect and childish to say boris is a........... i would not like ny children to think that was accepatble and they can use google too. Anyone who thinks the internet is not a wonderful source of information and knowlwdge is a dinosaur....I'm happy not to be one
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I think its extremely low intellect and childish to say boris is a........... i would not like ny children to think that was accepatble and they can use google too. Anyone who thinks the internet is not a wonderful source of information and knowlwdge is a dinosaur....I'm happy not to be one
It would seem your own intellect is questionable since you are unable to read and digest a perfectly written post.
if it is allowed to challenge your intellect as per forum rules of course.
So I will say this very slow.
If someone called BOJO a ....ker would Tory voters be upset on his behalf, would BOJO be upset? what should happen to that person?
I would argue that it is disrespectful but not a crime ,certainly not worthy of others to jump into a name calling frenzy. it would be for BOJO to deal with in his way.
Sooooooo That was my point. show respect for opinions of others who you do not share and let those who are challenged be challenged without third party 'suffering'.
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It would seem your own intellect is questionable since you are unable to read and digest a perfectly written post.
if it is allowed to challenge your intellect as per forum rules of course.
So I will say this very slow.
If someone called BOJO a ....ker would Tory voters be upset on his behalf, would BOJO be upset? what should happen to that person?
I would argue that it is disrespectful but not a crime ,certainly not worthy of others to jump into a name calling frenzy. it would be for BOJO to deal with in his way.
Sooooooo That was my point. show respect for opinions of others who you do not share and let those who are challenged be challenged without third party 'suffering'.
You need to show respect for my opinions . I have agreat deal of respect for boris, i think hes handled brexit and Cov extremely well. I wouldnt be at all offended if someone called him a ******.....i think it would show that they themselves were more than a little thick. Theres nothing more to be said as you have told me how you should show resepct for others opinion...which of course includes mine
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You need to show respect for my opinions . I have agreat deal of respect for boris, i think hes handled brexit and Cov extremely well. I wouldnt be at all offended if someone called him a ******.....i think it would show that they themselves were more than a little thick. Theres nothing more to be said as you have told me how you should show resepct for others opinion...which of course includes mine
As per usual, your reply post is a rant about something else. Notthing to do with my post at all.
I said. "If someone called BOJO a ....ker would Tory voters be upset on his behalf, would BOJO be upset?
what should happen to that person?
I would argue that it is disrespectful but not a crime ,certainly not worthy of others to jump into a name calling frenzy. it would be for BOJO to deal with in his way."
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You need to show respect for my opinions . I have agreat deal of respect for boris, i think hes handled brexit and Cov extremely well. I wouldnt be at all offended if someone called him a ******.....i think it would show that they themselves were more than a little thick. Theres nothing more to be said as you have told me how you should show resepct for others opinion...which of course includes mine
Because I posted in reply this conversation will now be deemed off topic and a zealot will intervene; but Davel, you routinely show disdain for the opinion of others. A little balance?
BTW, I think he's handled it poorly, particularly the hand shaking incident where it's most likely he spread the virus around his cabinet and outer circle.
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Because I posted in reply this conversation will now be deemed off topic and a zealot will intervene; but Davel, you routinely show disdain for the opinion of others. A little balance?
BTW, I think he's handled it poorly, particularly the hand shaking incident where it's most likely he spread the virus around his cabinet and outer circle.
I posted on this topic before... What's important is the evidence an opinion is based on.. That's how I judge an opinion