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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: anglolawyer on September 04, 2015, 07:06:02 PM
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Hello all
I'm new both here and to this case. FWIW I think Bamber is probably guilty. I also think Julie was extremely lucky not to be prosecuted as his accomplice and/or for concealing, itself a serious crime. Indeed, I suspect some dodgy dealings surround the fact that she wasn't. Whatever. I have a couple of questions arising from a reading of Ann Eaton's long witness statement which I found here, the one from mid-Sep 1985. She records a couple of weird things from the morning of 07 Aug 85, first the absence of towels in JB's bathroom and second, that not only had he dyed his hair but he seemed to have blacked up like an Asian person.
I have a theory about this (which has some holes in it) but I was wondering what you folks make of it, if anything.
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Hello all
I'm new both here and to this case. FWIW I think Bamber is probably guilty. I also think Julie was extremely lucky not to be prosecuted as his accomplice and/or for concealing, itself a serious crime. Indeed, I suspect some dodgy dealings surround the fact that she wasn't. Whatever. I have a couple of questions arising from a reading of Ann Eaton's long witness statement which I found here, the one from mid-Sep 1985. She records a couple of weird things from the morning of 07 Aug 85, first the absence of towels in JB's bathroom and second, that not only had he dyed his hair but he seemed to have blacked up like an Asian person.
I have a theory about this (which has some holes in it) but I was wondering what you folks make of it, if anything.
Welcome to the forum anglolawyer, I would be interested to hear your theory.
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Welcome to the forum anglolawyer, I would be interested to hear your theory.
Thanks for the welcome.
I think he may have cycled back along the road, not across fields or anything like that. At 2 or 3 in the morning there was little chance of encountering any vehiclea and their headlights would give plenty of warning so he could dive into a ditch if necessary. I think he blacked up that evening to reduce the chances of being spotted out and about. In drying himself off, some of the dye came off on his towels so he made them disappear.
What I can't figure out is how he expected to explain this away but, aside from Ann, to my astonishment, no one else seems to have taken any notice. I would appreciate other views.
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Hello, lawyer from England... how on earth did I manage to figure that out!? &%+((£
I think Bamber was preparing himself for his black-carpet appearance at the funeral, and possibly for the later trip to St Tropez. His tanned or Asian appearance was more likely the result of a few sunbed sessions which he had at the cottage. I believe Julie bought him some brown dye too, but was surprised when he went over the top and his hair turned out black. It probably scared the h*ll out of Ann Eaton too!
I don't think too much should be read into the absence of towels... they might not have been kept in the bathroom anyway. But if so, they could have had traces of spattered blood if he'd used them to wipe the sweat off after an arduous bike ride back from the farm.
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Hello, lawyer from England... how on earth did I manage to figure that out!? &%+((£
I think Bamber was preparing himself for his black-carpet appearance at the funeral, and possibly for the later trip to St Tropez. His tanned or Asian appearance was more likely the result of a few sunbed sessions which he had at the cottage. I believe Julie bought him some brown dye too, but was surprised when he went over the top and his hair turned out black. It probably scared the h*ll out of Ann Eaton too!
I don't think too much should be read into the absence of towels... they might not have been kept in the bathroom anyway. But if so, they could have had traces of spattered blood if he'd used them to wipe the sweat off after an arduous bike ride back from the farm.
Ah yes, the sunbed thing. I forgot that. He looked pretty pale at the funeral, or perhaps I haven't looked at those pics recently enough. Still, a bathroom without towels (his allegedly regular practise) does seem odd.
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Ah yes, the sunbed thing. I forgot that. He looked pretty pale at the funeral, or perhaps I haven't looked at those pics recently enough. Still, a bathroom without towels (his allegedly regular practise) does seem odd.
You've probably read about Brett Collins joking that JB should wear white make-up at the funeral to give him that sad mournful look. Perhaps Bamber took that as a serious suggestion.
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You've probably read about Brett Collins joking that JB should wear white make-up at the funeral to give him that sad mournful look. Perhaps Bamber took that as a serious suggestion.
No, I hadn't read that.
I have another off the wall theory which I don't mind sharing, or having shattered. Could Bamber have rendered the cordless phone inoperable himself? It only went wrong two days before. It featured in Julie's version of his plan because it would retain a record that a call was made to JB, but he may have had last minute second thoughts, perhaps because it might also log the time and duration of the call or some such. Knowing that the rotary phone would be switched downstairs, he went for that.
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No, I hadn't read that.
I have another off the wall theory which I don't mind sharing, or having shattered. Could Bamber have rendered the cordless phone inoperable himself? It only went wrong two days before. It featured in Julie's version of his plan because it would retain a record that a call was made to JB, but he may have had last minute second thoughts, perhaps because it might also log the time and duration of the call or some such. Knowing that the rotary phone would be switched downstairs, he went for that.
That's possible, but I believe there were two phones in use at any one time in the kitchen... one that was damaged by a thunderstorm (or deliberately broken by JB as you suggest) and was sent for repair, the other was found by Jean Boutell under a pile of magazines jammed between the worktop end and a mini-cooker, when the relatives were allowed back into WHF. This she tested it and found it to be working. I can't remember the phone types offhand, but I thnk they're detailed in CAL's book.
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That's possible, but I believe there were two phones in use at any one time in the kitchen... one that was damaged by a thunderstorm (or deliberately broken by JB as you suggest) and was sent for repair, the other was found by Jean Boutell under a pile of magazines jammed between the worktop end and a mini-cooker, when the relatives were allowed back into WHF. This she tested it and found it to be working. I can't remember the phone types offhand, but I thnk they're detailed in CAL's book.
Barbara Wilson said it was not unusual for them to transfer the bedroom phone to the kitchen. June hated using the kitchen phone, apparently. Bamber likely knew this. How likely is it that he thought he could 'hide' the kitchen phone in a pile of magazines? Not very IMO. Either the need for repair to the cordless screwed his plans and made him change them or he engineered it. I don't rule out the latter.
One problem, if he did, is that it makes Nevill's call less credible. Now, rather than a single push button call, Nevill had to dial a 5 digit no. with a Maldon prefix (plus waiting for a slumbering Bamber to wake up and grope his way downstairs) with an armed schizophrenic on the rampage.
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Another conundrum. This time one which you guys have probably gone over many times: the phone calls. What is the likeliest sequence? This is where I am, based on Ann Eaton mostly.
3.00 a.m. call from WHF to Bamber's place - this is Bamber's estimated time. It's likely to be reasonably accurate because he thought BT could establish these times.
3.02 or 3.15 Bamber to Julie. The first time is Sue Battersby's adjusted clock and the second is what Julie said on 07 Aug after calling her flatmate to verify (after saying 3.30).
3.26 - 3.37 Bamber to PC West. Start time from PC West and end time a combo of Bamber saying it took them 11 minutes to do anything and Bonnet's 3.36 despatch time.
Time for Bamber to get through to Chelmsford after wasting time calling Witham, looking up no. etc - '10 minutes at the outside' according to his statement to police (given in September when he was in the frame).
The sequence above is the wrong way round. He claimed he called the police before Julie, but that would mean (assuming police times are correct) he called Julie after 3.36 which is way after his flatmates' times. In his story, also, 26 minutes passed between the WHF call and his call to the police. This was his problem and why he maybe planned to use a hitman before ditching the idea. How to react fast enough to Nevill's call given that he had to pedal like crazy to get home. I figure he made the phone call last, jumped on the bike, cycled home like Wiggo, called Julie (who was to make sure her flatmates registered the call) then pretended to spend 10 minutes looking up the cops' phone number.
Again, nobody questioned this account, except Ann of course.
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I think your penultimate sentence summary is correct, maybe with the ten minutes spent making sure he was clean and blood-spot free before coming face to face with the police.
For a newbie you've got a better grasp of this case than the vets here!
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Barbara Wilson said it was not unusual for them to transfer the bedroom phone to the kitchen. June hated using the kitchen phone, apparently. Bamber likely knew this. How likely is it that he thought he could 'hide' the kitchen phone in a pile of magazines? Not very IMO. Either the need for repair to the cordless screwed his plans and made him change them or he engineered it. I don't rule out the latter.
One problem, if he did, is that it makes Nevill's call less credible. Now, rather than a single push button call, Nevill had to dial a 5 digit no. with a Maldon prefix (plus waiting for a slumbering Bamber to wake up and grope his way downstairs) with an armed schizophrenic on the rampage.
That's true... why would Nevill phone his son knowing that it would take a long time for him to answer when his daughter was supposedly going crazy upstairs? If Nevill wasn't injured at the time then surely he would have attempted to disarm Sheila before phoning anyone, but if he was badly wounded, needed rescuing and urgent treatment, a 999 call seems the most rational thing to make. I've had to do the same in the middle of the night... twice.
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That's true... why would Nevill phone his son knowing that it would take a long time for him to answer when his daughter was supposedly going crazy upstairs? If Nevill wasn't injured at the time then surely he would have attempted to disarm Sheila before phoning anyone, but if he was badly wounded, needed rescuing and urgent treatment, a 999 call seems the most rational thing to make. I've had to do the same in the middle of the night... twice.
Ann Eaton thought it would take 2-3 minutes for Bamber to answer the phone. I think that's too long but a minute to a minute and a half maybe. That's still a heck of a long time for Nevill to be wasting when he could be doing much more immediate and useful things.
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I think your penultimate sentence summary is correct, maybe with the ten minutes spent making sure he was clean and blood-spot free before coming face to face with the police.
For a newbie you've got a better grasp of this case than the vets here!
How long do you figure to cycle from WHF to Goldhanger? It's three miles I read. Faster than Roger Banister I reckon. 10 minutes? That's only 18 miles an hour. Should be easy. Don't go over the fields, use the road. Then he's home at 3.10 or so. Call Julie to tell her everything went Ok and make sure Sue Battersby knows about the call. Some cleaning up, as you say, then 3.26 call to PC West. It works if no one pays attention. He got very lucky with Taff Jones though. I don't think its a great plan. If he had encountered suspicious police, as Scott Peterson did, then it would have fallen apart quickly.
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The police did a house to house in Goldhanger to find out if anyone heard or saw anything during the night. No-one did, so he got lucky. If Bamber had blacked up as you suggested and had an accident on the bike or was picked up by a patrolling police car, he might have had some serious explaining to do.
I think Chris Bews, Stan Jones, Bob Miller and one or two others sussed him from the outset. It was just a matter of biding their time and hoping for some breakthrough which came belatedly when Julie coughed up.
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Another strange point that emerges from Ann Eaton's long witness statement is the key to the back door which was kept in the coal shed. The housekeeper plonked it on the kitchen table on 11th Aug when she and Ann were at WHF, causing the ever-suspicious Ann to wonder why the police had had to break down a door to get in when Jeremy could simply have told them to use the key. She assumed Jeremy knew about it which is reasonable enough I guess. If he did then that would have been a better way in than via a window, all the business about hacksaw blades and sash windows etc would be irrelevant and his claim to have entered the house by window in the past rather odd.
Perhaps his parents never told him about the key. Pity Ann didn't go all Miss Marple on the housekeeper about it. Then we would know more.
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Another strange point that emerges from Ann Eaton's long witness statement is the key to the back door which was kept in the coal shed. The housekeeper plonked it on the kitchen table on 11th Aug when she and Ann were at WHF, causing the ever-suspicious Ann to wonder why the police had had to break down a door to get in when Jeremy could simply have told them to use the key. She assumed Jeremy knew about it which is reasonable enough I guess. If he did then that would have been a better way in than via a window, all the business about hacksaw blades and sash windows etc would be irrelevant and his claim to have entered the house by window in the past rather odd.
Perhaps his parents never told him about the key. Pity Ann didn't go all Miss Marple on the housekeeper about it. Then we would know more.
There might have been more than just the two back door keys they knew of, but JB told police that his dad secured all the doors at night by key-locking, and bolting, and sure enough when Collins, the leader of the first TFU team peered through the back door keyhole, it was blocked. So they had no alternative but to batter down the door. On their first recce around WHF the police possibly tried all the doors and checked keyholes, including the front, dairy, and rear hall/scullery (5 on plan), and discovered that JB was, for once, telling the truth.
Bamber's kitchen window exit seems plausible. Although there are no internal pics of that large opening casement online that I know of, it was fastened by a side catch stiff enough to stay raised while a person climbed through the window, and which then dropped into a locked position (stuck at 8 o'clock according to JB's letter to one of the recent book authors) when the window was banged shut from outside. The noise might have caused Bruce the labrador in a barn to bark, but once JB had completed the crime there was nobody alive left to hear it, other than people such as the Foakes family living in the cottages on Pages Lane. But they were at some distance and might have slept through it anyway.
Another theory is that JB left the same way he entered, via the Washroom/Shower room window. There's some confusion as to whether it was secured or not. Taff Jones reportedly checked all downstairs windows and found them to be fastened, but a couple of officers who checked them earlier, found the shower room one to be unfastened and so refastened it. Then again, the same window might have been opened earlier still by the TFU as an escape route, or to let some wind blow through to disperse any sickening bloody smell coming from the kitchen.
Right... off out for the day. If there are more questions, anglolawyer, maybe others will contribute in the meantime.
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There might have been more than just the two back door keys they knew of, but JB told police that his dad secured all the doors at night by key-locking, and bolting, and sure enough when Collins, the leader of the first TFU team peered through the back door keyhole, it was blocked. So they had no alternative but to batter down the door. On their first recce around WHF the police possibly tried all the doors and checked keyholes, including the front, dairy, and rear hall/scullery (5 on plan), and discovered that JB was, for once, telling the truth.
Bamber's kitchen window exit seems plausible. Although there are no internal pics of that large opening casement online that I know of, it was fastened by a side catch stiff enough to stay raised while a person climbed through the window, and which then dropped into a locked position (stuck at 8 o'clock according to JB's letter to one of the recent book authors) when the window was banged shut from outside. The noise might have caused Bruce the labrador in a barn to bark, but once JB had completed the crime there was nobody alive left to hear it, other than people such as the Foakes family living in the cottages on Pages Lane. But they were at some distance and might have slept through it anyway.
Another theory is that JB left the same way he entered, via the Washroom/Shower room window. There's some confusion as to whether it was secured or not. Taff Jones reportedly checked all downstairs windows and found them to be fastened, but a couple of officers who checked them earlier, found the shower room one to be unfastened and so refastened it. Then again, the same window might have been opened earlier still by the TFU as an escape route, or to let some wind blow through to disperse any sickening bloody smell coming from the kitchen.
Right... off out for the day. If there are more questions, anglolawyer, maybe others will contribute in the meantime.
Thank you Myster. That deals with the key issue very well and also brings in the dog issue! Just how easy would it have been to reach the master bedroom (which I am guessing he aimed for first) without rousing anybody? There was Bruce the lab outside and the crappy, yappy little Shit Zu rat-like mutt inside plus an old, creaking farm house to navigate in the dark while lugging a rifle and June was a very light sleeper (CA Lee) like my mother who would materialise in the passage noisily hissing at me when I got up at night for a pee. No way Bamber could have crept up on her and, in fact, it rather seems as though June was in motion already when shot.
This strong possibility lends further weight to the idea that he b....red the cordless phone on purpose, knowing they would bring the bedroom phone downstairs, thereby precluding any 999 calls as he was marching across the gravel with two dogs barking or climbing in (I.e. before he could unplug the kitchen phone)
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Hello all
I'm new both here and to this case. FWIW I think Bamber is probably guilty. I also think Julie was extremely lucky not to be prosecuted as his accomplice and/or for concealing, itself a serious crime. Indeed, I suspect some dodgy dealings surround the fact that she wasn't. Whatever. I have a couple of questions arising from a reading of Ann Eaton's long witness statement which I found here, the one from mid-Sep 1985. She records a couple of weird things from the morning of 07 Aug 85, first the absence of towels in JB's bathroom and second, that not only had he dyed his hair but he seemed to have blacked up like an Asian person.
I have a theory about this (which has some holes in it) but I was wondering what you folks make of it, if anything.
Hi anglolawyer and welcome to the forum.
JB dying his hair and appearing to have "blacked up" didn't form part of the prosecution case against JB. Nor did lack of towels in the bathroom. For those who believe JB guilty, and btw I'm not one of them, I guess anything he did or said prior to the tragedy could quite easily been seen as sinister.
Mid 80's popular culture was themed around the New Romantic and New Wave scene both of which involved guys colouring their hair usually either dark or highlighted. By all accounts JB was somewhat of a poser eg the sunbed! Plus most farmers tend to colour up in the summer from working outside all day. If he wanted to camouflage himself why not go for green and brown?
Bourtree cottage was a bachelor pad and I'm not sure much can be read into lack of towels in the bathroom. I doubt he concerned himself too much with niceties such as hand towels. By all accounts he kept his towels in the airing cupboard. Perhaps the towel arrangement stems from his days as a boarder when towels and toiletries are usually kept in a separate area.
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Hi anglolawyer and welcome to the forum.
JB dying his hair and appearing to have "blacked up" didn't form part of the prosecution case against JB. Nor did lack of towels in the bathroom. For those who believe JB guilty, and btw I'm not one of them, I guess anything he did or said prior to the tragedy could quite easily been seen as sinister.
Mid 80's popular culture was themed around the New Romantic and New Wave scene both of which involved guys colouring their hair usually either dark or highlighted. By all accounts JB was somewhat of a poser eg the sunbed! Plus most farmers tend to colour up in the summer from working outside all day. If he wanted to camouflage himself why not go for green and brown?
Bourtree cottage was a bachelor pad and I'm not sure much can be read into lack of towels in the bathroom. I doubt he concerned himself too much with niceties such as hand towels. By all accounts he kept his towels in the airing cupboard. Perhaps the towel arrangement stems from his days as a boarder when towels and toiletries are usually kept in a separate area.
Thanks. Good answer. I must try to stop seeing everything through Ann Eaton's eyes.
And thanks for the welcome.
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Thanks. Good answer. I must try to stop seeing everything through Ann Eaton's eyes.
And thanks for the welcome.
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You absolutely must 8(0(*
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Thank you Myster. That deals with the key issue very well and also brings in the dog issue! Just how easy would it have been to reach the master bedroom (which I am guessing he aimed for first) without rousing anybody? There was Bruce the lab outside and the crappy, yappy little Shit Zu rat-like mutt inside plus an old, creaking farm house to navigate in the dark while lugging a rifle and June was a very light sleeper (CA Lee) like my mother who would materialise in the passage noisily hissing at me when I got up at night for a pee. No way Bamber could have crept up on her and, in fact, it rather seems as though June was in motion already when shot.
This strong possibility lends further weight to the idea that he b....red the cordless phone on purpose, knowing they would bring the bedroom phone downstairs, thereby precluding any 999 calls as he was marching across the gravel with two dogs barking or climbing in (I.e. before he could unplug the kitchen phone)
All these issues have been discussed and dismissed before on this and the Blue forum.
How do you believe Sheila committed the massacre, leaving the crime scene as it was ? The crime scene is well documented.
You need to include two chambers of the rifle, two reloads, a kitchen fight and one/two telephone calls.
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All these issues have been discussed and dismissed before on this and the Blue forum.
How do you believe Sheila committed the massacre, leaving the crime scene as it was ? The crime scene is well documented.
You need to include two chambers of the rifle, two reloads, a kitchen fight and one/two telephone calls.
I must have been asleep or away on hol 8)-)))
The same way that countless others have ie being armed and catching others unaware.
The crime scene isn't well documented paperwork states 1 male and 1 female in the kitchen which seems unlikely given the pathological evidence
PM winging it's way re L 4 T 8((()*/
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I must have been asleep or away on hol 8)-)))
The same way that countless others have ie being armed and catching others unaware.
The crime scene isn't well documented paperwork states 1 male and 1 female in the kitchen which seems unlikely given the pathological evidence
PM winging it's way re L 4 T 8((()*/
Neville was not unaware. He was awake and had telephoned Bamber. Rather than ringing a sleeping June.
June and the twins surprisingly asleep.
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Neville was not unaware. He was awake and had telephoned Bamber. Rather than ringing a sleeping June.
June and the twins surprisingly asleep.
Someone doesn't have to be asleep to be unaware.
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All these issues have been discussed and dismissed before on this and the Blue forum.
How do you believe Sheila committed the massacre, leaving the crime scene as it was ? The crime scene is well documented.
You need to include two chambers of the rifle, two reloads, a kitchen fight and one/two telephone calls.
You have me wrong. I believe he did it.
ETA what is 'the blue forum'?
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You have me wrong. I believe he did it.
ETA what is 'the blue forum'?
Just type 'jeremy bamber forums'.
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Just type 'jeremy bamber forums'.
Thanks. Is that neutral space, pro-innocence or pro-guilt?
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Both supporters and guilters.
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Both supporters and guilters.
OK, thanks. Might check it out.
What was the view prevailing here on Dewani?
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Thanks. Is that neutral space, pro-innocence or pro-guilt?
If you want to debate the WHF case this forum is def the place to be seen and heard 8(>((. Also The Jeremy Bamber Forum aka Blue hasn't opened its curtains for months and I understand a number of the posters spend so long on the forum they're starting to suffer with rickets from lack of sunlight/vitamin D.
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I hope Passer-by hasn't already passed by 8(8-))
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OK, thanks. Might check it out.
What was the view prevailing here on Dewani?
I wouldn't bother wasting your time, angloawyer... life's too short! Most of the blue refugees have sailed over here to the guilty camp, although few post these days because they know JB has no chance of ever being released (that doesn't include Holly, btw).
What sort of forum is it which requires you to register before you find out what it's all about anyway?
These are the views of the main blue protagonist who spent a little time with Bamber at Her Majesty's Pleasure...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVf8XGVhvQU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVf8XGVhvQU)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5oORNINidamrNByhnFnspQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5oORNINidamrNByhnFnspQ)
In the "Court of the People", as Passer-by so quaintly puts it, Dewani is guilty of putting his new "wife" in extreme danger at the very least. He should stand up like a man and say exactly what happened so that people can judge for themselves, instead of employing go-betweens such as the dodgy Max Clifford to whitewash over his actions.
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If you want to debate the WHF case this forum is def the place to be seen and heard 8(>((. Also The Jeremy Bamber Forum aka Blue hasn't opened its curtains for months and I understand a number of the posters spend so long on the forum they're starting to suffer with rickets from lack of sunlight/vitamin D.
Now now Holly, let's be generous. ?{)(**
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If you want to debate the WHF case this forum is def the place to be seen and heard 8(>((. Also The Jeremy Bamber Forum aka Blue hasn't opened its curtains for months and I understand a number of the posters spend so long on the forum they're starting to suffer with rickets from lack of sunlight/vitamin D.
I don't necesarily want to debate it so much as understand it better, which means among other things talking to knowledgable folk who don't have an agenda and aren't over-committed for the wrong reasons. If such people are to be found here then here is fine, although the functionality of the forum software maybe is not ideal.
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I wouldn't bother wasting your time, angloawyer... life's too short! Most of the blue refugees have sailed over here to the guilty camp, although few post these days because they know JB has no chance of ever being released (that doesn't include Holly, btw).
What sort of forum is it which requires you to register before you find out what it's all about anyway?
These are the views of the main blue protagonist who spent a little time with Bamber at Her Majesty's Pleasure...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVf8XGVhvQU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVf8XGVhvQU)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5oORNINidamrNByhnFnspQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5oORNINidamrNByhnFnspQ)
In the "Court of the People", as Passer-by so quaintly puts it, Dewani is guilty of putting his new "wife" in extreme danger at the very least. He should stand up like a man and say exactly what happened so that people can judge for themselves, instead of employing go-betweens such as the dodgy Max Clifford to whitewash over his actions.
So who was that guy in your link and what did he do time for?
Thanks for the feedback on Dewani.
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So who was that guy in your link and what did he do time for?
Thanks for the feedback on Dewani.
Michael Teskowski met JB in the late 80's via HMP. If you wish to know more about his personal life anglolawyer it might be best for you to join The Jeremy Bamber Forum aka Blue and send him a pm.
MT acted as JB's McKenzie friend for a number of years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKenzie_friend
He is the owner and founder of Blue. Sadly he has lost the plot over recent times:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1033.msg209489#msg209489
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Michael Teskowski met JB in the late 80's via HMP. If you wish to know more about his personal life anglolawyer it might be best for you to join The Jeremy Bamber Forum aka Blue and send him a pm.
MT acted as JB's McKenzie friend for a number of years:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKenzie_friend
He is the owner and founder of Blue. Sadly he has lost the plot over recent times:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1033.msg209489#msg209489
I will contain my curiosity. Thanks for the info. It's not a good sign to be surrounding yourself with cranks and charlatans IMO.