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Offline anglolawyer

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2015, 06:18:16 AM »
Another strange point that emerges from Ann Eaton's long witness statement is the key to the back door which was kept in the coal shed.   The housekeeper plonked it on the kitchen table on 11th Aug when she and Ann were at WHF, causing the ever-suspicious Ann to wonder why the police had had to break down a door to get in when Jeremy could simply have told them to use the key.   She assumed Jeremy knew about it which is reasonable enough I guess.   If he did then that would have been a better way in than via a window, all the business about hacksaw blades and sash windows etc would be irrelevant and his claim to have entered the house by window in the past rather odd.

Perhaps his parents never told him about the key.   Pity Ann didn't go all Miss Marple on the housekeeper about it.   Then we would know more.

Offline Myster

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2015, 08:49:34 AM »
Another strange point that emerges from Ann Eaton's long witness statement is the key to the back door which was kept in the coal shed.   The housekeeper plonked it on the kitchen table on 11th Aug when she and Ann were at WHF, causing the ever-suspicious Ann to wonder why the police had had to break down a door to get in when Jeremy could simply have told them to use the key.   She assumed Jeremy knew about it which is reasonable enough I guess.   If he did then that would have been a better way in than via a window, all the business about hacksaw blades and sash windows etc would be irrelevant and his claim to have entered the house by window in the past rather odd.

Perhaps his parents never told him about the key.   Pity Ann didn't go all Miss Marple on the housekeeper about it.   Then we would know more.

There might have been more than just the two back door keys they knew of, but JB told police that his dad secured all the doors at night by key-locking, and bolting, and sure enough when Collins, the leader of the first TFU team peered through the back door keyhole, it was blocked. So they had no alternative but to batter down the door. On their first recce around WHF the police possibly tried all the doors and checked keyholes, including the front, dairy, and rear hall/scullery (5 on plan), and discovered that JB was, for once, telling the truth.

Bamber's kitchen window exit seems plausible. Although there are no internal pics of that large opening casement online that I know of, it was fastened by a side catch stiff enough to stay raised while a person climbed through the window, and which then dropped into a locked position (stuck at 8 o'clock according to JB's letter to one of the recent book authors) when the window was banged shut from outside. The noise might have caused Bruce the labrador in a barn to bark, but once JB had completed the crime there was nobody alive left to hear it, other than people such as the Foakes family living in the cottages on Pages Lane. But they were at some distance and might have slept through it anyway.

Another theory is that JB left the same way he entered, via the Washroom/Shower room window. There's some confusion as to whether it was secured or not. Taff Jones reportedly checked all downstairs windows and found them to be fastened, but a couple of officers who checked them earlier, found the shower room one to be unfastened and so refastened it. Then again, the same window might have been opened earlier still by the TFU as an escape route, or to let some wind blow through to disperse any sickening bloody smell coming from the kitchen.

Right... off out for the day. If there are more questions, anglolawyer, maybe others will contribute in the meantime.
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Offline anglolawyer

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2015, 10:18:56 AM »
There might have been more than just the two back door keys they knew of, but JB told police that his dad secured all the doors at night by key-locking, and bolting, and sure enough when Collins, the leader of the first TFU team peered through the back door keyhole, it was blocked. So they had no alternative but to batter down the door. On their first recce around WHF the police possibly tried all the doors and checked keyholes, including the front, dairy, and rear hall/scullery (5 on plan), and discovered that JB was, for once, telling the truth.

Bamber's kitchen window exit seems plausible. Although there are no internal pics of that large opening casement online that I know of, it was fastened by a side catch stiff enough to stay raised while a person climbed through the window, and which then dropped into a locked position (stuck at 8 o'clock according to JB's letter to one of the recent book authors) when the window was banged shut from outside. The noise might have caused Bruce the labrador in a barn to bark, but once JB had completed the crime there was nobody alive left to hear it, other than people such as the Foakes family living in the cottages on Pages Lane. But they were at some distance and might have slept through it anyway.

Another theory is that JB left the same way he entered, via the Washroom/Shower room window. There's some confusion as to whether it was secured or not. Taff Jones reportedly checked all downstairs windows and found them to be fastened, but a couple of officers who checked them earlier, found the shower room one to be unfastened and so refastened it. Then again, the same window might have been opened earlier still by the TFU as an escape route, or to let some wind blow through to disperse any sickening bloody smell coming from the kitchen.

Right... off out for the day. If there are more questions, anglolawyer, maybe others will contribute in the meantime.
Thank you Myster.   That deals with the key issue very well and also brings in the dog issue!   Just how easy would it have been to reach the master bedroom (which I am guessing he aimed for first) without rousing anybody?   There was Bruce the lab outside and the crappy, yappy little Shit Zu rat-like mutt inside plus an old, creaking farm house to navigate in the dark while lugging a rifle and June was a very light sleeper (CA Lee) like my mother who would materialise in the passage  noisily hissing at me when I got up at night for a pee.  No way Bamber could have crept up on her and, in fact, it rather seems as though June was in motion already when shot.

This strong possibility lends further weight to the idea that he b....red the cordless phone on purpose, knowing they would bring the bedroom phone downstairs, thereby precluding any 999 calls as he was marching across the gravel with two dogs barking or climbing in (I.e. before he could unplug the kitchen phone)

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2015, 03:11:21 PM »
Hello all

I'm new both here and to this case.  FWIW I think Bamber is probably guilty.   I also think Julie was extremely lucky not to be prosecuted as his accomplice and/or for concealing, itself a serious crime.     Indeed, I suspect some dodgy dealings surround the fact that she wasn't.   Whatever.  I have a couple of questions arising from a reading of Ann Eaton's long witness statement which I found here, the one from mid-Sep 1985.   She records a couple of weird things from the morning of 07 Aug 85, first the absence of towels in JB's bathroom and second, that not only had he dyed his hair but he seemed to have blacked up like an Asian person.

I have a theory about this (which has some holes in it) but I was wondering what you folks make of it, if anything.

Hi anglolawyer and welcome to the forum.

JB dying his hair and appearing to have "blacked up" didn't form part of the prosecution case against JB.  Nor did lack of towels in the bathroom.  For those who believe JB guilty, and btw I'm not one of them, I guess anything he did or said prior to the tragedy could quite easily been seen as sinister.

Mid 80's popular culture was themed around the New Romantic and New Wave scene both of which involved guys colouring their hair usually either dark or highlighted.  By all accounts JB was somewhat of a poser eg the sunbed!  Plus most farmers tend to colour up in the summer from working outside all day.  If he wanted to camouflage himself why not go for green and brown?

Bourtree cottage was a bachelor pad and I'm not sure much can be read into lack of towels in the bathroom.  I doubt he concerned himself too much with niceties such as hand towels.  By all accounts he kept his towels in the airing cupboard.  Perhaps the towel arrangement stems from his days as a boarder when towels and toiletries are usually kept in a separate area.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline anglolawyer

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2015, 03:40:34 PM »
Hi anglolawyer and welcome to the forum.

JB dying his hair and appearing to have "blacked up" didn't form part of the prosecution case against JB.  Nor did lack of towels in the bathroom.  For those who believe JB guilty, and btw I'm not one of them, I guess anything he did or said prior to the tragedy could quite easily been seen as sinister.

Mid 80's popular culture was themed around the New Romantic and New Wave scene both of which involved guys colouring their hair usually either dark or highlighted.  By all accounts JB was somewhat of a poser eg the sunbed!  Plus most farmers tend to colour up in the summer from working outside all day.  If he wanted to camouflage himself why not go for green and brown?

Bourtree cottage was a bachelor pad and I'm not sure much can be read into lack of towels in the bathroom.  I doubt he concerned himself too much with niceties such as hand towels.  By all accounts he kept his towels in the airing cupboard.  Perhaps the towel arrangement stems from his days as a boarder when towels and toiletries are usually kept in a separate area.
Thanks.   Good answer.   I must try to stop seeing everything through Ann Eaton's eyes.

And thanks for the welcome.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2015, 10:41:15 AM »
Thanks.   Good answer.   I must try to stop seeing everything through Ann Eaton's eyes.

And thanks for the welcome.

 8((()*/

You absolutely must 8(0(*


Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2015, 02:25:18 PM »
Thank you Myster.   That deals with the key issue very well and also brings in the dog issue!   Just how easy would it have been to reach the master bedroom (which I am guessing he aimed for first) without rousing anybody?   There was Bruce the lab outside and the crappy, yappy little Shit Zu rat-like mutt inside plus an old, creaking farm house to navigate in the dark while lugging a rifle and June was a very light sleeper (CA Lee) like my mother who would materialise in the passage  noisily hissing at me when I got up at night for a pee.  No way Bamber could have crept up on her and, in fact, it rather seems as though June was in motion already when shot.

This strong possibility lends further weight to the idea that he b....red the cordless phone on purpose, knowing they would bring the bedroom phone downstairs, thereby precluding any 999 calls as he was marching across the gravel with two dogs barking or climbing in (I.e. before he could unplug the kitchen phone)

All these issues have been discussed and dismissed before on this and the Blue forum.

How do you believe Sheila committed the massacre, leaving the crime scene as it was ? The crime scene is well documented.

You need to include two chambers of the rifle, two reloads, a kitchen fight and one/two telephone calls.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2015, 09:27:37 PM »
All these issues have been discussed and dismissed before on this and the Blue forum.

How do you believe Sheila committed the massacre, leaving the crime scene as it was ? The crime scene is well documented.

You need to include two chambers of the rifle, two reloads, a kitchen fight and one/two telephone calls.

I must have been asleep or away on hol  8)-)))

The same way that countless others have ie being armed and catching others unaware.

The crime scene isn't well documented paperwork states 1 male and 1 female in the kitchen which seems unlikely given the pathological evidence

PM winging it's way re L 4 T  8((()*/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2015, 10:52:57 PM »
I must have been asleep or away on hol  8)-)))

The same way that countless others have ie being armed and catching others unaware.

The crime scene isn't well documented paperwork states 1 male and 1 female in the kitchen which seems unlikely given the pathological evidence

PM winging it's way re L 4 T  8((()*/

Neville was not unaware. He was awake and had telephoned Bamber. Rather than ringing a sleeping June.

June and the twins surprisingly asleep.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2015, 11:44:55 PM »
Neville was not unaware. He was awake and had telephoned Bamber. Rather than ringing a sleeping June.

June and the twins surprisingly asleep.

Someone doesn't have to be asleep to be unaware.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline anglolawyer

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2015, 12:32:06 AM »
All these issues have been discussed and dismissed before on this and the Blue forum.

How do you believe Sheila committed the massacre, leaving the crime scene as it was ? The crime scene is well documented.

You need to include two chambers of the rifle, two reloads, a kitchen fight and one/two telephone calls.
You have me wrong.   I believe he did it.

ETA what is 'the blue forum'?

Offline adam

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2015, 02:52:36 AM »
You have me wrong.   I believe he did it.

ETA what is 'the blue forum'?

Just type 'jeremy bamber forums'.

Offline anglolawyer

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2015, 09:17:41 AM »
Just type 'jeremy bamber forums'.
Thanks.   Is that neutral space, pro-innocence or pro-guilt?

Offline adam

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2015, 09:31:04 AM »
Both supporters and guilters.

Offline anglolawyer

Re: Bamber's dyed hair
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2015, 10:53:59 AM »
Both supporters and guilters.
OK, thanks.   Might check it out.

What was the view prevailing here on Dewani?