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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Jeremy Bamber and the callous murder of his father, mother, sister and twin nephews. Case effectively CLOSED by CCRC on basis of NO APPEAL REFERRAL. => Topic started by: John on September 28, 2012, 08:22:32 AM
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Good ole boy and model citizen (apart from his burglary career) Mike Teskowski from Leeds wants yet another police investigation into the Jeremy Bamber murders so that he can waste yet more public funds on this fiasco.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3276.msg128636.html#msg128636
If granted that would mean that there would be no less than FOUR police investigations into the case and two appeals all of which concluded that the police cocked up to begin with but that Bamber was still guilty. A fourth investigation is not going to turn up anything that has not already been discovered. We know all the relevant facts in the case, we know what events went on at the farmhouse that morning one day in August 1985, we know how the police conducted their investigation, we know how they were given a bum steer by Bamber to begin with, we know how and when the family were butchered, we know why they were killed and we know how Bamber did it.
The result of the Judicial Review should be heard in the coming weeks so lets hope the victims have their justice at last and see Bamber kept where he belongs.
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What a sad old porn pervert Teskowski is!
One of his few remaining minions should ask the ex-con what has happened to Z and his magic photo that can clear Bamber on sight?
Then ask the creep if he has found Keith Bennett yet? The last I heard he had narrowed poor Keith's body down to two small areas with his secret Enigma machine!
Nelly is in the Bamber case for what money he can make for himself but I can't understand how Petey and Roach can 'work' for that crank Tesco!
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What a sad old porn pervert Teskowski is!
One of his few remaining minions should ask the ex-con what has happened to Z and his magic photo that can clear Bamber on sight?
Then ask the creep if he has found Keith Bennett yet? The last I heard he had narrowed poor Keith's body down to two small areas with his secret Enigma machine!
Nelly is in the Bamber case for what money he can make for himself but I can't understand how Petey and Roach can 'work' for that crank Tesco!
It's a wonder Nelly hasn't formed Jeremy Bamber into a plc yet and offered worthless shares to the public at an inflated price.
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Good ole boy and model citizen (apart from his burglary career) Mike Teskowski from Leeds wants yet another police investigation into the Jeremy Bamber murders so that he can waste yet more public funds on this fiasco.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3276.msg128636.html#msg128636
If granted that would mean that there would be no less than FOUR police investigations into the case and two appeals all of which concluded that the police cocked up to begin with but that Bamber was still guilty. A fourth investigation is not going to turn up anything that has not already been discovered. We know all the relevant facts in the case, we know what events went on at the farmhouse that morning one day in August 1985, we know how the police conducted their investigation, we know how they were given a bum steer by Bamber to begin with, we know how and when the family were butchered, we know why they were killed and we know how Bamber did it.
The result of the Judicial Review should be heard in the coming weeks so lets hope the victims have their justice at last and see Bamber kept where he belongs.
This is what I genuinely don't understand. Mike has described, in great detail, a crucial image he has of Sheila. Bob told him, in terms that even I could understand, how to access it. If I was Mike, I think I'd get a copy of that image to David James Smith, who actually managed to interview JB for the Sunday Times.
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Good ole boy and model citizen (apart from his burglary career) Mike Teskowski from Leeds wants yet another police investigation into the Jeremy Bamber murders so that he can waste yet more public funds on this fiasco.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3276.msg128636.html#msg128636
If granted that would mean that there would be no less than FOUR police investigations into the case and two appeals all of which concluded that the police cocked up to begin with but that Bamber was still guilty. A fourth investigation is not going to turn up anything that has not already been discovered. We know all the relevant facts in the case, we know what events went on at the farmhouse that morning one day in August 1985, we know how the police conducted their investigation, we know how they were given a bum steer by Bamber to begin with, we know how and when the family were butchered, we know why they were killed and we know how Bamber did it.
The result of the Judicial Review should be heard in the coming weeks so lets hope the victims have their justice at last and see Bamber kept where he belongs.
This is what I genuinely don't understand. Mike has described, in great detail, a crucial image he has of Sheila. Bob told him, in terms that even I could understand, how to access it. If I was Mike, I think I'd get a copy of that image to David James Smith, who actually managed to interview JB for the Sunday Times.
There are photograph's but they don't show what Tesko claims. All it amounts to is sensationalism aimed at stimulating debate.
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Good ole boy and model citizen (apart from his burglary career) Mike Teskowski from Leeds wants yet another police investigation into the Jeremy Bamber murders so that he can waste yet more public funds on this fiasco.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3276.msg128636.html#msg128636
If granted that would mean that there would be no less than FOUR police investigations into the case and two appeals all of which concluded that the police cocked up to begin with but that Bamber was still guilty. A fourth investigation is not going to turn up anything that has not already been discovered. We know all the relevant facts in the case, we know what events went on at the farmhouse that morning one day in August 1985, we know how the police conducted their investigation, we know how they were given a bum steer by Bamber to begin with, we know how and when the family were butchered, we know why they were killed and we know how Bamber did it.
The result of the Judicial Review should be heard in the coming weeks so lets hope the victims have their justice at last and see Bamber kept where he belongs.
This is what I genuinely don't understand. Mike has described, in great detail, a crucial image he has of Sheila. Bob told him, in terms that even I could understand, how to access it. If I was Mike, I think I'd get a copy of that image to David James Smith, who actually managed to interview JB for the Sunday Times.
But we all know you do understand perfectly Shona The Wise! Z is utter pathetic Tesco fiction as is the phantom photograph. Remember the lying old porn pervert supposedly went with Z to deliver the said photograph to the CCRC: Therefore hard copies do exisit (pahh) so being lost on a hard drive is pure drivel!
I would be interested in Buddy's honest thoughts of Z and the magic photo? Roach to his mild shame would never actually say Tesko is being 'economical with the truth'! What do you think Buddy?
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If you have read my thoughts on Z Tim you will see what I think. For clarity, and so no one is under any delusion I do not believe in Z, Ali Bongo, or of the photo of Sheila on the bed.
This does mean that Sheila was not photographed on the bed, but Mike does not have it. It may be part of the with held evidence I do not know.
One thing I am certain of however is until all the with held material is released there will never be a conclusion in this case.
Don't get me wrong here I have no desire to see the twins with there brains blown out, and understand why this may have been kept from viewing and rightly so.
I have often criticised some of Mikes posts as far fetched, but remain unconvinced that Jeremy was the killer.
There were afterall other interested parties.
I still think this was not a one person crime, but I am UNWILLING to suggest another person at this time.
There were a lot of people that disliked Ralph, but I do not think Sheila was one of them.
Make of this what you will, and I urge you to look deeper into this terrible crime.
Just to recap, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN Z. CLEAR ENOUGH.
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If you have read my thoughts on Z Tim you will see what I think. For clarity, and so no one is under any delusion I do not believe in Z, Ali Bongo, or of the photo of Sheila on the bed.
This does mean that Sheila was not photographed on the bed, but Mike does not have it. It may be part of the with held evidence I do not know.
One thing I am certain of however is until all the with held material is released there will never be a conclusion in this case.
Don't get me wrong here I have no desire to see the twins with there brains blown out, and understand why this may have been kept from viewing and rightly so.
I have often criticised some of Mikes posts as far fetched, but remain unconvinced that Jeremy was the killer.
There were afterall other interested parties.
I still think this was not a one person crime, but I am UNWILLING to suggest another person at this time.
There were a lot of people that disliked Ralph, but I do not think Sheila was one of them.
Make of this what you will, and I urge you to look deeper into this terrible crime.
Just to recap, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN Z. CLEAR ENOUGH.
There is not one shred of evidence to suggest that anyone else was involved in the crime, this is agreed by both defence and prosecution. There is not one shred of evidence to suggest that a Police officer shot Shelia.
If Jeremy was not involved and it wasn't Shelia, then what a coincidence that someone chose to kill the family on the very night that 'shelia had gone berserk with one of the guns'!
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There is no shred of evidence that Bamber did it either. Have you read the facts, or are you just a band wagon jumper? Stop trying to score points to suck up to your pals, it does you no favours.
Read what is available. Oh I tire of misinformed idiots.
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Buddy, would you be willing to start a thread to explain what you believe the case to be please? I think it warrants a thread so that what you have to say doesn't get lost amoungst the boards, this way we'll be able to see what evidence and stuff you can give us.
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There is no shred of evidence that Bamber did it either. Have you read the facts, or are you just a band wagon jumper? Stop trying to score points to suck up to your pals, it does you no favours.
Read what is available. Oh I tire of misinformed idiots.
I don't know what evidence you are reading buddy but the facts in the case are very clear. Jeremy said his father told him that Sheila was the shooter. The forensics are very clear in that Sheila was never downstairs during or after the assault on Nevill, never handled any rifle, never loaded any rifle, never fired any rifle and could not have shot herself twice. Now you answer me...did Nevill lie or is Jeremy the liar and the whole telephone call from dad episode was a fabrication?
Because if it is then Jeremy was involved in the murders and it matters little whether he pulled the trigger or not.
The other issue about an accomplice is interesting. One guy actually admitted to his associates that he did it. Now why would anyone do that?
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There is no shred of evidence that Bamber did it either. Have you read the facts, or are you just a band wagon jumper? Stop trying to score points to suck up to your pals, it does you no favours.
Read what is available. Oh I tire of misinformed idiots.
I agree that there is not one hard piece of evidence to link Jeremy to the murders. However, as I previously stated, it is common ground that the person responsible was either Shelia or Jeremy. I find the suggestion that Shelia did it, totally unbelievable. I would be interested to hear your opinion.
On a slightly different note, I find your attitude rather unpleasant. My mother was forever telling me 'manners maketh the man'. I don't feel that this advice should be ignored just because one is sat in the confines of a car, or behind a computer screen.
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There is no shred of evidence that Bamber did it either. Have you read the facts, or are you just a band wagon jumper? Stop trying to score points to suck up to your pals, it does you no favours.
Read what is available. Oh I tire of misinformed idiots.
I agree that there is not one hard piece of evidence to link Jeremy to the murders. However, as I previously stated, it is common ground that the person responsible was either Shelia or Jeremy. I find the suggestion that Shelia did it, totally unbelievable. I would be interested to hear your opinion.
On a slightly different note, I find your attitude rather unpleasant. My mother was forever telling me 'manners maketh the man'. I don't feel that this advice should be ignored just because one is sat in the confines of a car, or behind a computer screen.
Right on sika 8((()*/ Manners and respect are the keywords to successful debating so lets all keep on that path. This isn't the blue forum where anything goes dude. 8(0(*
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There is no shred of evidence that Bamber did it either. Have you read the facts, or are you just a band wagon jumper? Stop trying to score points to suck up to your pals, it does you no favours.
Read what is available. Oh I tire of misinformed idiots.
I've obviously not read the same facts as you! I am more than willing to alter my stance of Jeremy being guilty as charged, if you are able to point me to the facts that prove otherwise. Your reluctance to discuss this, confuses me. Surely you're not just here to talk about your testicles!
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There is no shred of evidence that Bamber did it either. Have you read the facts, or are you just a band wagon jumper? Stop trying to score points to suck up to your pals, it does you no favours.
Read what is available. Oh I tire of misinformed idiots.
I've obviously not read the same facts as you! I am more than willing to alter my stance of Jeremy being guilty as charged, if you are able to point me to the facts that prove otherwise. Your reluctance to discuss this, confuses me. Surely you're not just here to talk about your testicles!
That's the trouble with buddy.... he tells everybody who disagrees with him to keep up and when challenged to produce facts to support his argument he does a runner.
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There is no shred of evidence that Bamber did it either. Have you read the facts, or are you just a band wagon jumper? Stop trying to score points to suck up to your pals, it does you no favours.
Read what is available. Oh I tire of misinformed idiots.
I've obviously not read the same facts as you! I am more than willing to alter my stance of Jeremy being guilty as charged, if you are able to point me to the facts that prove otherwise. Your reluctance to discuss this, confuses me. Surely you're not just here to talk about your testicles!
I am quite sure most of you have studied the case for ages like I have and gone into just about every little detail. I must admit I can dig too deep at times until I can get an answer. That said, the case is relatively straight forward and I have seen nothing which raises any doubts for me that Jeremy was indeed involved. Whether he had help in some way is another issue which may never be determined.
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Quite frankly anyone bringing a Third Party into the question (except for hitman or accomplice working with Jeremy) is barking up the wrong tree. The idea that someone with a grudge against Sheila or Neville committed the murders as some kind of retribution for a perceived slight, and was willing to murder two young boys, and just happened to wait until the entire family just happened to be staying in the house is frankly laughable. The fact that it was either Jeremy or Sheila is one of the only things about the case the defence and prosecution agree with.
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Quite frankly anyone bringing a Third Party into the question (except for hitman or accomplice working with Jeremy) is barking up the wrong tree. The idea that someone with a grudge against Sheila or Neville committed the murders as some kind of retribution for a perceived slight, and was willing to murder two young boys, and just happened to wait until the entire family just happened to be staying in the house is frankly laughable. The fact that it was either Jeremy or Sheila is one of the only things about the case the defence and prosecution agree with.
I can see the logic in this so why dont the ones from the blue forum ever agree that this is in fact the case!? Are they scared of something possibly > or are they just kidding each other ??
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I read a couple of posts over there today, but I really can't be a*sed anymore... also, by reading over there, I feel I am somehow contributing to the depravity. Now I think it's being promulgated by Mr Tesko that Sheila and her mother both shot eachother! So, who do we think shot who first? Did June shoot Sheila after she was shot between the eyes, or did Sheila shoot June before she was shot in the neck? and they all seem to be lapping it up. Shows a total absence of any respect for the dead, or in fact any common decency whatsoever.
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I read a couple of posts over there today, but I really can't be a*sed anymore... also, by reading over there, I feel I am somehow contributing to the depravity. Now I think it's being promulgated by Mr Tesko that Sheila and her mother both shot eachother! So, who do we think shot who first? Did June shoot Sheila after she was shot between the eyes, or did Sheila shoot June before she was shot in the neck? and they all seem to be lapping it up. Shows a total absence of any respect for the dead, or in fact any common decency whatsoever.
Just goes to show the mentalility of those on the Jeremy Bamber forum abs. You are definitely best well away from such dickheads. If Jeremy knew they were talking about his sister and his mother in such terms Strike that.....he had no respect for them either. What a sad affair. 8(8-))
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I read a couple of posts over there today, but I really can't be a*sed anymore... also, by reading over there, I feel I am somehow contributing to the depravity. Now I think it's being promulgated by Mr Tesko that Sheila and her mother both shot eachother! So, who do we think shot who first? Did June shoot Sheila after she was shot between the eyes, or did Sheila shoot June before she was shot in the neck? and they all seem to be lapping it up. Shows a total absence of any respect for the dead, or in fact any common decency whatsoever.
Just goes to show the mentalility of those on the Jeremy Bamber forum abs. You are definitely best well away from such dickheads. If Jeremy knew they were talking about his sister and his mother in such terms Strike that.....he had no respect for them either. What a sad affair. 8(8-))
I hope this doesn't sound like I am making light of this, but does anyone remember the US comedy 'Soap'? ....where at the beginning of each episode, the viewer was treated to a recap of all the completely ludicrous far fetched storylines, in an attempt to keep them up to speed with the ridiculousness of it all....... The Blue forum is a bit like that - "confused? You will be". I guess if you have never seen the show, this comment will be completely lost on you (showing my age now!).
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I read a couple of posts over there today, but I really can't be a*sed anymore... also, by reading over there, I feel I am somehow contributing to the depravity. Now I think it's being promulgated by Mr Tesko that Sheila and her mother both shot eachother! So, who do we think shot who first? Did June shoot Sheila after she was shot between the eyes, or did Sheila shoot June before she was shot in the neck? and they all seem to be lapping it up. Shows a total absence of any respect for the dead, or in fact any common decency whatsoever.
I really agree with this, it feels very wrong to read Mike's posts at the moment. He's so desperate for JB to be innocent (God only knows why) that he'll write anything. To now say that June's responsible, when the bed clearly shows how the poor woman was shot lying down, then sat up and looked around for Ralph, is pitiful.
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He's a joke Shona and to think that many of us once took him seriously. @)(++(*
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The scenario is ridiculous. June shot Ralph and the children, Sheila shot June and then herself. I am an Occam´s razor kind of person (even though you might not think so). This is TOO complicated and, frankly, far, very far fetched.
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The scenario is ridiculous. June shot Ralph and the children, Sheila shot June and then herself. I am an Occam´s razor kind of person (even though you might not think so). This is TOO complicated and, frankly, far, very far fetched.
Too ridiculous for words abs. If by the slimmest chance Jeremy was innocent I would despair for his chances with Tesko on his team.
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The scenario is ridiculous. June shot Ralph and the children, Sheila shot June and then herself. I am an Occam´s razor kind of person (even though you might not think so). This is TOO complicated and, frankly, far, very far fetched.
Too ridiculous for words abs. If by the slimmest chance Jeremy was innocent I would despair for his chances with Tesko on his team.
It just gets more and more bizarre and crazy. How can these silly people like Lookout, April1, Patti, Colleen etc go along with these theories ? Some of them may be regarded as " nice " people but in my book reviling the memory of innocent victims of a ruthless, self centred monster is evil . And mad. And shows a complete inability to understand the simple logic in this case. Every time I look at the blue forum I get a sense of deja view. Same rubbish repeated time and again.
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I think there's some old saying about if you repeat something long enough to the same crowd, eventually they'll believe it.
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The scenario is ridiculous. June shot Ralph and the children, Sheila shot June and then herself. I am an Occam´s razor kind of person (even though you might not think so). This is TOO complicated and, frankly, far, very far fetched.
Too ridiculous for words abs. If by the slimmest chance Jeremy was innocent I would despair for his chances with Tesko on his team.
It just gets more and more bizarre and crazy. How can these silly people like Lookout, April1, Patti, Colleen etc go along with these theories ? Some of them may be regarded as " nice " people but in my book reviling the memory of innocent victims of a ruthless, self centred monster is evil . And mad. And shows a complete inability to understand the simple logic in this case. Every time I look at the blue forum I get a sense of deja view. Same rubbish repeated time and again.
Great post once again Dillon. You took the words right out of my mouth. Can those people really be that stupid?
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I think there's some old saying about if you repeat something long enough to the same crowd, eventually they'll believe it.
That is exactly why we will continue to rubbish their crazy theories until the courts bring this to a conclusion, one way or another.
And I agree, a great post Dillon...crazy and bizarre!
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I would like it noted that in my 10,000 or so posts on these forums I have never treated Tesko with anything other than the contempt he deserves.
I was delighted to read that Buddy unequivocally states he does not believe Z or the phantom photo exists. Thank's for being straight and honest Buddy. That was my problem with Roch when he posted here; he would never quite state the truth of what he believed because he was scared of offending Mike.
We can address the impossible (IMHO) third party scenarios Buddy and both John and Shona will agree with that theory to some degree. I just want to thank Buddy for being straight and honest. Doesn't often happen with Tesko members!
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The following post is a fair representation of the Jeremy Bamber forum. It's a total joke.
Steve UK deserves a medal! How does he retain his composure when confronted with total idiots?
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Monies owed to Ralph by relatives not repaid into his estate - conspiracy...
« Last post by mertol22 on Today at 11:47 PM »
There is a Chinese saying who scratches on a place that itches has a problem , mike types what he thinks rather than bottles it up we have the benefit to read it as to agree or not is a option is it not.
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The following post is a fair representation of the Jeremy Bamber forum. It's a total joke.
Steve UK deserves a medal! How does he retain his composure when confronted with total idiots?
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Monies owed to Ralph by relatives not repaid into his estate - conspiracy...
« Last post by mertol22 on Today at 11:47 PM »
There is a Chinese saying who scratches on a place that itches has a problem , mike types what he thinks rather than bottles it up we have the benefit to read it as to agree or not is a option is it not.
Eh? 8-)(--)
Can somebody interpret this for me?
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I would like it noted that in my 10,000 or so posts on these forums I have never treated Tesko with anything other than the contempt he deserves.
I was delighted to read that Buddy unequivocally states he does not believe Z or the phantom photo exists. Thank's for being straight and honest Buddy. That was my problem with Roch when he posted here; he would never quite state the truth of what he believed because he was scared of offending Mike.
We can address the impossible (IMHO) third party scenarios Buddy and both John and Shona will agree with that theory to some degree. I just want to thank Buddy for being straight and honest. Doesn't often happen with Tesko members!
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I agree with your perception of Buddy, Tim. Irascible certainly, but honest and straightfoward enough to stand up against some of the absurd nonsense generated by Tesko, such as Z, missing photographs, third party involvement etc. A refreshing contrast to the sycophancy of Roch, for example, and other Tesko acolytes. However, then Buddy comes out with things like there not being a shred of evidence to convict Bamber. Well there is, but admittedly it is quite a wealth of circumstantial evidence. That is why he was convicted at his original trial and the convictions upheld in two subsequent appeals, including extensive reinvestigation of the case prior to the 2002 appeal. Plus the rejection of Bamber's application to the CCRC who have spent ages again looking at the evidence in the case. The really damning evidence against Bamber, as has been so well set out in the relevant thread on this forum, is his account of the alleged phone call from Nevill stating that Sheila had gone berserk with a gun. The evidence simply does not stand up to Sheila being guilty, so Jeremy has to be guilty. That is the simple crux of the case which one can repeat until the cows come home. Buddy knows a lot about the minutiae of the case and rubbishes Julie Mugford's credibility, but somehow fails to see the wood for the trees. Personally, IMO Julie's evidence stands up despite her less then angelic history at that stage of her life, but it is not crucial to prove Bamber's guilt. So, I have some respect for Buddy unlike most of the other Bamber is innocent posters on the blue forum who toe the party line. At least Buddy is an independent thinker and manages to retain his personal integrity.
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The following post is a fair representation of the Jeremy Bamber forum. It's a total joke.
Steve UK deserves a medal! How does he retain his composure when confronted with total idiots?
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Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Monies owed to Ralph by relatives not repaid into his estate - conspiracy...
« Last post by mertol22 on Today at 11:47 PM »
There is a Chinese saying who scratches on a place that itches has a problem , mike types what he thinks rather than bottles it up we have the benefit to read it as to agree or not is a option is it not.
Eh? 8-)(--)
Can somebody interpret this for me?
I sometimes wonder if mertol isn't secretly an evil genius, like wichfinder. Remember when m told everyone how the systematic rape of our once great spoken language drove him to despair? Then he ate a galaxy bar and cheered up?
Evil genius!! What do you think, Tim? 8)--))
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An excellent post Dillon as per usual. 8((()*/
Many things have been said about Julie but ultimately she was so traumatised that she was only too glad to tell the truth. Julie spent several days with Police Det Sgt Stan Jones going over the events which led up to the murders and in the end produced a substantial statement of some 30 pages. Bamber supporters have attempted to rubbish this statement without success. It matters not however as it was Julie's testimony in court which counts. Julie was a competent and reliable witness in court. She was visibly upset whilst giving much of her evidence, it was very obvious to the jury that what she was saying was genuine and actually happened.
Without going through all the evidence again it is succinct just to say that Jeremy's behaviour in the lead up to the murders was conducive with him being the perpetrator. His constant threats to kill his family, his plan to drug them and then burn them in the house, the getting of the tranquillisers from the GP, the telephone call on the morning of the murders and the subsequent events at Goldhanger on the morning of the murders and on the day of the funeral. Let's be clear, Bamber has consistently failed to address any of these events.
All this evidence may be circumstantial but it created a picture which had GUILTY etched all over it.
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An excellent post Dillon as per usual. 8((()*/
Many things have been said about Julie but ultimately she was so traumatised that she was only too glad to tell the truth. Julie spent several days with Police Det Sgt Stan Jones going over the events which led up to the murders and in the end produced a substantial statement of some 30 pages. Bamber supporters have attempted to rubbish this statement without success. It matters not however as it was Julie's testimony in court which counts. Julie was a competent and reliable witness in court. She was visibly upset whilst giving much of her evidence, it was very obvious to the jury that what she was saying was genuine and actually happened.
Without going through all the evidence again it is succinct just to say that Jeremy's behaviour in the lead up to the murders was conducive with him being the perpetrator. His constant threats to kill his family, his plan to drug them and then burn them in the house, the getting of the tranquillisers from the GP, the telephone call on the morning of the murders and the subsequent events at Goldhanger on the morning of the murders and on the day of the funeral. Let's be clear, Bamber has consistently failed to address any of these events.
All this evidence may be circumstantial but it created a picture which had GUILTY etched all over it.
Thank you David, and to return the compliment your post is extremely well constructed. I really find it very hard to beleive that this young woman, obviously under huge stress, was able to remain consistent in giving her evidence at the original trial if it had been false. It would have been an extraordinarily malevolent and risky act to perjure herself as revenge simply for being jilted by Jeremy . Moreover, she has never wavered from this evidence in the subsequent nearly 27 years. Julie did behave badly during her relationship with Jeremy but has clearly achieved a great deal since then in turning her life around . This does not, IMO, fit with a woman who was so bitter and evil that she could condemn an innocent man to all these years of incarceration. Jeremy was a charming, very handsome young man who was probably great fun to be with so it would not be surprising if he was able to exert considerable influence over Julie. He had already established a track record of illicit drug use, driving like a lunatic and minor criminality. Speculatively, living dangerously in this way may have been very attractive for Julie at this stage of her life.
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Mertol Evil Genius???? Hmmmm yesss Shona The Wise; perhaps you do have to be a genius to write such seemingly idiotic nonsense with such conviction and with absolutely no shame! As for evil; if any nuns went missing or dead bodies disappear within a 100 miles of Mertol it would be his allotment where I would dig first!
Mertol IS an evil genius!
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Mertol Evil Genius???? Hmmmm yesss Shona The Wise; perhaps you do have to be a genius to write such seemingly idiotic nonsense with such conviction and with absolutely no shame! As for evil; if any nuns went missing or dead bodies disappear within a 100 miles of Mertol it would be his allotment where I would dig first!
Mertol IS an evil genius!
I don't know what it is about Mertol, and I am probably unfairly prejudiced, but I have this image of a funny little chap with bad teeth and smelly feet pedalling away frantically on an old fashioned sit up and beg bicycle. Someone please please teech (sic) mertie how to use the spell chek.
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Do you mean the spiel cheeker? @)(++(*
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Rochy sensibly advises sandra L to ignore accusations of posting under another name. Ironically, gentle, "lacking in the brains dept." Lugg rants and raves increasingly towards Beltonville. You're right, Gladys. You couldn't make it up!! @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
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I really agree with this, it feels very wrong to read Mike's posts at the moment. He's so desperate for JB to be innocent (God only knows why) that he'll write anything. To now say that June's responsible, when the bed clearly shows how the poor woman was shot lying down, then sat up and looked around for Ralph, is pitiful.
Im of the opinion that Mr Tesko is some sort of glory seeker
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I was looking for an existing thread to post this on as its a pretty minor point and I think this thread might be the right place!
MT insists SC was found on the bed by EP. It seems to me from the pathology reports that SC received both shots on the floor where she was found and didn't move between shots other than minor movements within the same basic location/postion, reflexes etc. @ 5.30 in DI Cooke states "...and on the far side of the bed was Sheila, Sheila Caffell's body..." It seems to me this is simply a figure of speech ie SC was not found on the bed but on the floor on the far side of the bed away from the door.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6214.msg275856.html#msg275856
Mike do you really believe what to my mind are bizarre theories, which incidentally do not fit it with any of the pathological evidence, or do you just say them for affect? &%+((£
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I was looking for an existing thread to post this on as its a pretty minor point and I think this thread might be the right place!
MT insists SC was found on the bed by EP. It seems to me from the pathology reports that SC received both shots on the floor where she was found and didn't move between shots other than minor movements within the same basic location/postion, reflexes etc. @ 5.30 in DI Cooke states "...and on the far side of the bed was Sheila, Sheila Caffell's body..." It seems to me this is simply a figure of speech ie SC was not found on the bed but on the floor on the far side of the bed away from the door.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo
Which is what I have been arguing - it's the most sensible explanation.
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http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6214.msg275856.html#msg275856 (http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6214.msg275856.html#msg275856)
Mike do you really believe what to my mind are bizarre theories, which incidentally do not fit it with any of the pathological evidence, or do you just say them for affect? &%+((£
Of course he believes them... you need to be a complete idiot to think the police moved SC's body onto the floor for some nefarious purpose! Clue: where's the blood on the duvet? Similarly with Woodcock poking his .22 "rifle" through the gap in the kitchen door to deliver her first neck wound.
Welcome to fantasy land... poor Gemma doesn't realise what she's let herself in for!
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Of course he believes them... you need to be a complete idiot to think the police moved SC's body onto the floor for some nefarious purpose! Clue: where's the blood on the duvet? Similarly with Woodcock poking his .22 "rifle" through the gap in the kitchen door to deliver her first neck wound.
Welcome to fantasy land... poor Gemma doesn't realise what she's let herself in for!
And where's the blood on SC's nightie? Poor Gemma indeed!
Mike this morning you have posted the following:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6214.msg276065.html#msg276065
Yes Dr V said it was possible, physiologically speaking, for SC to have walked around after the first shot but that is not to say she did. What does the external blood distribution tell you? This is what Dr V said:
"It is my view with regards to the mobility of the victim in regards to the first wound it is my opinion, taking into account the blood distribution internal and external from the first wound that the deceased had not got up and moved prior to receiving the second wound taken into consideration with the factors mentioned above must have been received within a few seconds of the first wound. Therefore the question of the deceased Sheila Caffell leaving the bedroom let alone returning is in my view totally out of the question".
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205.0;attach=732
Now you are going to tell me that Dr V is a state paid agent evidenced by the fact that he was the pathologist assigned to the Princess Diana inquiry 8()(((@#
If you persist with this bizarre theory you will leave me in no doubt that you are the ultimate in northern numptiness!
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Well the judge said the police 'were expertly lead in a direction by the accused'.
They changed their direction after Julie approached them & the silencer evidence came back. Together with lots of other pieces of incriminating information. The change of direction has proved to be the correct decision.
All seems above board to me. Bob Woffinden saying Jeremy is able to find tiny inaccuracies between different statements and jump all over them. So the police mistakes have benefited him.
Douglas Hurd made laws regarding how crime scenes are treated. The removal of items by police upon Jeremy's agreement may have also helped him.
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Well the judge said the police 'were expertly lead in a direction by the accused'.
They changed their direction after Julie approached them & the silencer evidence came back. Together with lots of other pieces of incriminating information. The change of direction has proved to be the correct decision.
All seems above board to me. Bob Woffinden saying Jeremy is able to find tiny inaccuracies between different statements and jump all over them. So the police mistakes have benefited him.
Douglas Hurd made laws regarding how crime scenes are treated. The removal of items by police upon Jeremy's agreement may have also helped him.
A sad indictment on police competency if they were so easily misled by a bit of wet behind the ears public schoolboy! Heaven help them dealing with hardened Essex criminals and the spill over into Essex from East/South London heavies. I'm inclined to see the rellies led by RWB exerting undue pressure on EP as opposed to being expertly led by the lone JB.
A number of 'perfect storms' imo. I don't think its healthy when the investigating body is effectively part of the body that is being investigated. Imo the case at the time was worthy of a public inquiry but that will never happen now as the system does not allow for it. If JB's conviction is ever quashed perhaps then there will be an inquiry?
I think we've done the silencer and JM to death 8)><( You either see it one way (guilty) or another way (not guilty/MoJ) It seems compelling on the surface but so did the 'evidence' and prosecution witnesses in the Stefan Kiszko case.
I've said before JB and his supporters imo do themselves no favours by seizing on the smallest of anomalies etc and attempting to use it as proof of not guilty eg EP in communication with someone in WHF, NB phoning EP, one dead female in kitchen, movement at window etc. Easy for me to say as I'm not the one claiming to be a MoJ. Perhaps if I was I would be the same. You will always find genuine errors, misunderstandings etc in such a situation. Impossible for it to be otherwise.
It was all very piecemeal: COLP, Douglas Hurd etc. The removal of items by EP may have helped JB but it may have hindered him too. Certainly the rellies removing things hindered the police investigation: buckets of water with blood stained clothing thrown away and the silencer removed and tampered with before handing over to EP. It's no way to run a justice system in a modern democratic country surely?