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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Alfie on September 08, 2016, 12:48:23 PM
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"In my new book..." - looking forward to reading plenty of new Amaral interviews that begin with these words.... 8(*(
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"In my new book..." - looking forward to reading plenty of new Amaral interviews that begin with these words.... 8(*(
At last something we both agree on ! 8(0(*
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At last something we both agree on ! 8(0(*
yes, especially looking forward to his recipe for humble pie, though that may be in the next volume... 8(0(*
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yes, especially looking forward to his recipe for humble pie, though that may be in the next volume... 8(0(*
I thought Alfie would be more likely with the Mccanns come the Supreme Court decision.
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"In my new book..." - looking forward to reading plenty of new Amaral interviews that begin with these words.... 8(*(
I would say any new book will be more damaging since it can be based on known events.
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I would say any new book will be more damaging since it can be based on known events.
How can it be any more damaging than the last book? &%+((£
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How can it be any more damaging than the last book? &%+((£
Not the last book but "The Truth of the Lie" which was based on a thesis rather than known established facts.
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Not the last book but "The Truth of the Lie" which was based on a thesis rather than known established facts.
How can a book about the established known facts be MORE damaging than his libellous thesis?
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How can a book about the established known facts be MORE damaging than his libellous thesis?
Possibly by being published in Portugal to a Portuguese audience. This Portuguese audience is largely ignorant of what went on in Crimewatch 2013, as it did not get aired on Portuguese channels. And quite clearly Amaral can write that OG put Smithman on the menu and suggest that one of the e-fits looks similar to Gerry.
He could also claim, whether true or not, that his desire to get the Smiths back to obtain further information was to include an attempt to construct e-fits, but this got blocked by his removal.
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How can a book about the established known facts be MORE damaging than his libellous thesis?
Shall we wait and see?
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How can a book about the established known facts be MORE damaging than his libellous thesis?
What does he have to write about?
The old myths he may have had a hand in creating are recognised for what they are. Times have moved on in Portugal with the Oporto team working alongside Scotland Yard to find Madeleine's abductor.
I don't think there is a lot of mileage left in continuing excoriating the McCanns when that is taken into consideration.
Will his target audience tolerate purchasing a book which doesn't cover that ground?
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Possibly by being published in Portugal to a Portuguese audience. This Portuguese audience is largely ignorant of what went on in Crimewatch 2013, as it did not get aired on Portuguese channels. And quite clearly Amaral can write that OG put Smithman on the menu and suggest that one of the e-fits looks similar to Gerry.
He could also claim, whether true or not, that his desire to get the Smiths back to obtain further information was to include an attempt to construct e-fits, but this got blocked by his removal.
He has already done that, Shining, and reprised it continually in numerous media appearances.
You have just covered it in a couple of sentences.
Maybe I have a higher opinion of Portuguese readers than you when I say he is going to have to do much better than that.
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What does he have to write about?
The old myths he may have had a hand in creating are recognised for what they are. Times have moved on in Portugal with the Oporto team working alongside Scotland Yard to find Madeleine's abductor.
I don't think there is a lot of mileage left in continuing excoriating the McCanns when that is taken into consideration.
Will his target audience tolerate purchasing a book which doesn't cover that ground?
As Amaral revealed to the Portugal Resident last weekend, "The McCanns problems are of their own making" or words to that effect. The full story of what went on after Madeleine's disappearance has never been revealed in a book. Consequently Amaral will have a wealth of material to choose from, the ace up his sleeve I believe was the term he used.
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Shall we wait and see?
What "known and established facts" are more damaging to the McCanns than a thesis that they dunnit? Come on, you made the suggestion, now put up these facts!
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Possibly by being published in Portugal to a Portuguese audience. This Portuguese audience is largely ignorant of what went on in Crimewatch 2013, as it did not get aired on Portuguese channels. And quite clearly Amaral can write that OG put Smithman on the menu and suggest that one of the e-fits looks similar to Gerry.
He could also claim, whether true or not, that his desire to get the Smiths back to obtain further information was to include an attempt to construct e-fits, but this got blocked by his removal.
What known and established facts as aired on Crimewatch 2013 could possibly be damaging to the McCanns? ! Amaral can suggest that in his opinion one of the e-fits looks like Gerry but so what? It has not been established that the Met believes Smithman IS Gerry, so it's only his opinion, not a fact.
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What does he have to write about?
The old myths he may have had a hand in creating are recognised for what they are. Times have moved on in Portugal with the Oporto team working alongside Scotland Yard to find Madeleine's abductor.
I don't think there is a lot of mileage left in continuing excoriating the McCanns when that is taken into consideration.
Will his target audience tolerate purchasing a book which doesn't cover that ground?
Perhaps the title of the new book will be "The Ace Up My Sleeve" - in which the ex-cop finally reveals his hand after 10 years.
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It does seem some people are worried at the prospect of a second book.
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It does seem some people are worried at the prospect of a second book.
so exactly who is worried........i don't see anyone who is the slightest concerned
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What known and established facts as aired on Crimewatch 2013 could possibly be damaging to the McCanns? ! Amaral can suggest that in his opinion one of the e-fits looks like Gerry but so what? It has not been established that the Met believes Smithman IS Gerry, so it's only his opinion, not a fact.
it's only his opinion, not a fact.
just the same as abduction .......that is not a fact............but most like to believe it is
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Perhaps the title of the new book will be "The Ace Up My Sleeve" - in which the ex-cop finally reveals his hand after 10 years.
ooooooow nasty nasty ..seems the ace up his sleeve worries you
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so exactly who is worried........i don't see anyone who is the slightest concerned
alf
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Yes, I'm really worried. I'm also shitting myself about the Sonia Poulton documentary. And about Jeremy Corbyn becoming PM. My whole life is just one great big worry with a capital W. @)(++(*
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Yes, I'm really worried. I'm also shitting myself about the Sonia Poulton documentary. And about Jeremy Corbyn becoming PM. My whole life is just one great big worry with a capital W. @)(++(*
Now I wonder what the Mccanns are worried about.
Perhaps paying money from their own earnings to search for their daughter.
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Yes, I'm really worried. I'm also shitting myself about the Sonia Poulton documentary. And about Jeremy Corbyn becoming PM. My whole life is just one great big worry with a capital W. @)(++(*
If none of it worries you why make so much noise about it?
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Yes, I'm really worried. I'm also shitting myself about the Sonia Poulton documentary. And about Jeremy Corbyn becoming PM. My whole life is just one great big worry with a capital W. @)(++(*
well i suppose you can just be thankful your not a mcc.........there is worse things to worry about .than what you do
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ooooooow nasty nasty ..seems the ace up his sleeve worries you
The ace up his sleeve appears to be Kate's book.
It won't land the McCanns in jail.
But it may get Amaral beer money until the end of his days in a libel payout.
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well i suppose you can just be thankful your not a mcc.........there is worse things to worry about .than what you do
I can think of nothing worse than living for ten years without your eldest child ~ to know nothing of her whereabouts or whether she is alive or dead.
Another Amaral book is going to have to go some to compare with that.
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The ace up his sleeve appears to be Kate's book.
It won't land the McCanns in jail.
But it may get Amaral beer money until the end of his days in a libel payout.
Never thought of that Ferryman but it certainly has a ring about it.
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The ace up his sleeve appears to be Kate's book.
It won't land the McCanns in jail.
But it may get Amaral beer money until the end of his days in a libel payout.
I think he is already assured of that. What follows next however will be much bigger, more akin to a full hand than an ace.
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I can think of nothing worse than living for ten years without your eldest child ~ to know nothing of her whereabouts or whether she is alive or dead.
Another Amaral book is going to have to go some to compare with that.
You need to remember Brietta, the McCanns are accountable for their actions in not looking after their children.
No one else is responsible, or can be held to account for their failure as parents.
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I can think of nothing worse than living for ten years without your eldest child ~ to know nothing of her whereabouts or whether she is alive or dead.
Another Amaral book is going to have to go some to compare with that.
I can think of nothing worse
well try thinking if you think maddie is out there some where.....what maddie would be going through .
a lot worse ...than the mccs brietta......don't you think
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I think he is already assured of that. What follows next however will be much bigger, more akin to a full hand than an ace.
Are you pretending to know what's in his next book?
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Are you pretending to know what's in his next book?
Don't be silly Alf, what he chooses to publicize now is his business. The thing is though, he does have such a huge volume of stuff to choose from.
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He has already done that, Shining, and reprised it continually in numerous media appearances.
You have just covered it in a couple of sentences.
Maybe I have a higher opinion of Portuguese readers than you when I say he is going to have to do much better than that.
"Gonçalo Amaral's new book, "The English Gag - The story of a forbidden book", is launched on Friday, the 11th of December, 2009, at the Ler Devagar - Lx Factory bookshop, in Lisbon."
Unless there is yet another book, I don't see how he can have written a book containing information that emerged in October 2013 Crimewatch.
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Don't be silly Alf, what he chooses to publicize now is his business. The thing is though, he does have such a huge volume of stuff to choose from.
Really? Such as....
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I can think of nothing worse
well try thinking if you think maddie is out there some where.....what maddie would be going through .
a lot worse ...than the mccs brietta......don't you think
I do not think Goncalo Amaral's previous literary efforts took cognisance of the fact that it is possible Madeleine may still be alive or that they were written to help resolve her case?
Do you think ... should he care to write another book featuring her ... he will attempt to redress that balance?
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I do not think Goncalo Amaral's previous literary efforts took cognisance of the fact that it is possible Madeleine may still be alive or that they were written to help resolve her case?
Do you think ... should he care to write another book featuring her ... he will attempt to redress that balance?
It would be a very small book.
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It would be a very small book.
That would be about the size of it, if a certain father put pen to paper.
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Hopefully you will soon tell us plainly what you think happened in your own thread.
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Hopefully you will soon tell us plainly what you think happened in your own thread.
Just wait for the Supreme Court result. 8(0(*
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Just wait for the Supreme Court result. 8(0(*
I'd rather hear it sooner for I have become tired of reading your similar replies that never seemed to have any facts presented along with them.
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I'd rather hear it sooner for I have become tired of reading your similar replies that never seemed to have any facts presented along with them.
I do post with facts when known.
However, in this case, they are very few.
So you can keenly wait for the Supreme Court decision.
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I do post with facts when known.
However, in this case, they are very few.
So you can keenly wait for the Supreme Court decision.
Well if John sets up a thread under your name I hope you respond to the challenge.
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Well if John sets up a thread under your name I hope you respond to the challenge.
All good things....................
Meanwhile, what actual facts do you have which support abduction ?
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All good things....................
Meanwhile, what actual facts do you have which support abduction ?
This isn't the right thread to discuss this.
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This isn't the right thread to discuss this.
This is true.
Back On Topic, s'il vous plait.
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I do post with facts when known.
However, in this case, they are very few.
So you can keenly wait for the Supreme Court decision.
Are you saying that it is already decided
.... and that you (and John ?) have wind of it?
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Are you saying that it is already decided
.... and that you (and John ?) have wind of it?
Pardon? I certainly haven't heard any whispers. That said though, I find it difficult to see how the Appeal Court's very detailed judgement could be overturned on a point of law?
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Really? Such as....
We will just have to wait and see but there is a story waiting to be told about events which happened in this case after the disappearance. I'm sure it would be a best seller in both countries and based on fact this time.
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I do not think Goncalo Amaral's previous literary efforts took cognisance of the fact that it is possible Madeleine may still be alive or that they were written to help resolve her case?
Do you think ... should he care to write another book featuring her ... he will attempt to redress that balance?
It would be the decent thing if he did, but somehow I doubt he will. 8(0(*
I think Amaral is more interested in Goncalo than he is interested in Madeleine.
I hope that I am wrong and that Amaral makes some effort to acknowledge that Madeleine may well still be alive.
Now that the dogs alerts have proven, it seems, to be without merit ... nothing shows or indicates that Madeleine is not still alive somewhere.
If Goncalo now understands this, it is his duty IMO to put matters right and to encourage further searching for Madeleine.
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It would be the decent thing if he did, but somehow I doubt he will. 8(0(*
I think Amaral is more interested in Goncalo than he is interested in Madeleine.
I hope that I am wrong and that Amaral makes some effort to acknowledge that Madeleine may well still be alive.
Now that the dogs alerts have proven, it seems, to be without merit ... nothing shows or indicates that Madeleine is not still alive somewhere.
If Goncalo now understands this, it is his duty IMO to put matters right and to encourage further searching for Madeleine.
The dog alerts have merit.
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As predicted, former Portuguese police coordinator Gonçalo Amaral is about to launch yet another book on the subject of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. This will be his second book published in English.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1909497/ex-cop-who-accused-mccanns-of-faking-maddies-abduction-plans-second-book-slamming-brit-cops/
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Published 4 October 2016
A FORMER cop who previously accused Maddie McCann’s parents of faking her abduction is set to release a second controversial book targeting the involvement of British police.
Goncalo Amaral has almost finished his second book, but although it is expected to centre around the 2008 disappearance of Maddie in Algarave, Portugal, it is unclear what details the author will release.
The 56-year-old author previously wrote The Truth Of The Lie in 2008, which accused her parents Kate and Gerry McCann of faking Maddie’s abduction.
But the couple have previously been left reeling after having their £395,000 libel victory revoked by Lisbon appeal judges who overturned a ban on his book in April.
To add insult to injury, Amaral also is planning to sue the couple for compensation after winning his appeal.
Amaral is understood to have earned £316,000 from his book before it was banned.
In the book, Amaral claimed that Madeleine, who was three when she disappeared from the family’s Algarve holiday apartment, had died in the flat and they had faked her abduction to cover up the tragedy.
The book was released just three days after Gerry, 48, and Kate, from Leicester, were told their status as arguidos or formal suspects had been lifted on July 21, 2008.
During court proceedings, Kate McCann, 48, described Amaral’s first book as “devastating and distressing”
According to a source, the ex-police chief has been getting help from friends and well-wishers to survive as all of his property is “tied up” legally during the civil action with the McCanns.
Now the author’s second book is almost finished will focus on the Metropolitan Police’s investigation into the missing girl.
It is not yet known to what detail Amaral plans to go into when seemingly speaking about the Met in his second book.
Scotland Yard’s £12m Operation Grange inquiry, prompted by a personal request from David Cameron five years ago and funded by the Home Office, is said to be under pressure as police face budget cuts in other areas.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1909497/ex-cop-who-accused-mccanns-of-faking-maddies-abduction-plans-second-book-slamming-brit-cops/
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The dog alerts have merit.
Nothing is proven by them. At best Amaral misunderstood them.
They have no merit.
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The dog alerts have merit.
Not really.
Too much pressure applied to the dog.
Eddie got it right with the Renault Scenic.
But the length of time spent in apartment 5A compared to the other apartments is a huge question-mark and red flag.
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Nothing is proven by them. At best Amaral misunderstood them.
They have no merit.
That's the succinct version.