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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Robittybob1 on July 01, 2017, 06:35:22 AM
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http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARGARET_HALL.htm
"1. Facts that preceded the incident
A witness called Margaret Hall who worked at the OC was located and tells us that six months before the incident with Maddie there could have been an abduction attempt from the same apartment that was let to the McCann family. On the 1st November 2007 she makes a statement in full honour that refers to the following:
Margaret Hall was employed by the Mark Warner resort in P da L for six months from October 2006 as a baby sitter for the clients.
She says that in August/September 2006 she was working as a babysitter in the same apartment that the girl was abducted from. She confirms that the events occurred on a Thursday night. Thursday nights were known as the "tennis nights" and on that night the girl's parents were out playing tennis.
Given that there were problems with rodents in the apartments she went out to have a look in the area at about 00.30. She left by the front door and in the darkness, by the movement sensitive lights, she saw something move and thought its was a rat. To her surprise, when she examined it closely, she saw that it was a brown shoe of a man who was watching the dark zone outside the apartments. She shouted and the man came out of the darkness, the lights were activated at which point he came towards her and said "No, no".
She said the man was aged between 25 - 35 years, with a Mediterranean aspect with tight black curly hair. She is certain that he had a Mediterranean accent, surely Portuguese. From the only two words he said. He wore light coloured trousers and a blue checked shirt.
After this she returned to the apartment in a state of shock, it was obvious that there was no good reason for him to be hiding in the darkness outside the apartment. She said that the front door was the main door to enter the apartment, situated at the back.
When asked if she could make a sketch of the area she said she would do so.
The next day she told her superior about the incident, who in turn informed the resort manager, J.H.
She said that they appeared to be more worried about the subject of the rodents than about the man.
She did not have any contact with the Portuguese police, neither was she interviewed by them about this matter.
She makes her statement under compromise of honour."
What are the chances of that happening? I see Margret Hall has been discussed some 10 times on the forum but not in a thread dedicated to her statement.
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Anything is possible really but it is a giant leap from seeing someone lurking in the dark outside the apartments to establishing that there had been a previous attempt at an abduction. What concerns me most is that there was no effort apparently to follow this up, bad publicity is the last thing a resort manager wants.
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I see I made an error in the OP when I said "I see Margret Hall has been discussed some 10 times on the forum but not in a thread dedicated to her statement", that is incorrect in the thread http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3140.msg115271#msg115271 "Suspects / Prowler (Margaret Hall)" is a single post thread discussing Margaret's testimony in depth.
Interesting thing was the sketch of the person lurking outside apartment 5A (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3140.0;attach=2864;image)
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So the end of the previous Season. It will be interesting to see where this Thread leads. Lurking about in the dark after midnight is suspicious.
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Anything is possible really but it is a giant leap from seeing someone lurking in the dark outside the apartments to establishing that there had been a previous attempt at an abduction. What concerns me most is that there was no effort apparently to follow this up, bad publicity is the last thing a resort manager wants.
What I find odd also is the parents telling the babysitter about the rodents and then the babysitter going outside and finding the man. Were there rodents or was it a peeping tom lurking in the undergrowth? The site doesn't look like a place that would be infested by rodents.
Quote http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3140.msg115271#msg115271: "Parents of the youngster she was looking after were out for the night and had warned her about rodents in Apartment 5A at Praia da Luz's Ocean Club complex.
Margaret encountered the prowler as she went to check for rats at about 12.30am."
In another version "It reported: “During the night she received a call from her bosses warning her there was a problem with rats in the apartments.” " So was it the parents or the boss who told her about the rodents?
I have yet to meet a woman who goes outside to investigate rodents in the middle of the night, and then to just go back inside after being approached by a man who had been lurking in the bushes. She has a particularly high degree of courage if I may say so.
One night I heard a noise down the back of my section and I went to explore the unusual noise and came across a man in the orchard sound asleep but snoring loudly. Now by the time I had gone the distance and stumbled upon him my fear level had risen to the maximum.
And then later "she reported the sighting to her boss – but he “seemed more worried about the rats”" That makes me think it was a setup to scare her out of the job! Did they not like her for some reason?
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According to the Mirror, this lady reported her story to her local police, but they didn't come back to her. She then decided to contact Metodo 3. In October 2007 the PJ were contacted by;
the Commissary General, located in Madrid, by the Chief of the Kidnapping Unit, Alberto Carbas, who passed to us the information that the McCann family had contracted a Spanish company known as 'METODO 3', composed of Spanish private detectives. This business, or in other words, the costs of the activities of this business were being covered by a Scottish multi-millionaire whose name is BRIAN KENNEDY and whose objective was to locate the British minor.
They agreed to a request to meet, and were given Ms Hall's statement, taken by Metodo 3. They weren't very interested but had the statement translated and filed it.
Then the Mirror got involved and produced the sketch with Ms Hall two years after she had seen him.
It seems to me to be one of the many probably unimportant pieces of information which emerged due to the publicity of the case.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARGARET_HALL.htm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-nannys-new-sketch-329189
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIAN-KENNEDY.htm
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Where were the bushes in 5a in which a grown man could hide?
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Where were the bushes in 5a in which a grown man could hide?
Depending on when they were last heavily cut back, there were dense and low hanging trees, which virtually blocked out all the light from the street lamps.
Remembering that the whole of block 5 was built into a hillside and that the car park at 5A end was considerably raised in comparison to the street outside and to this view, it looks as tho the greenery must have virtually reached the ground in the car park near 5A. If the trees were like this at the time, then there would be ample greenery to hide a man in the greenery especially as it was so dark there.
IIRC the trees were a little like willows in as much as they had longish fonds hanging down. SIL, will you please correct me if i am remembering incorrectly.
Oh, i have just remembered, they were all ruthlessly cut down in time for Pat Browns visit.
IMO, of course but the pointers are there.
http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PB/back5a10.jpg
(http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PB/back5a10.jpg)
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Depending on when they were last heavily cut back, there were dense and low hanging trees, which virtually blocked out all the light from the street lamps.
Remembering that the whole of block 5 was built into a hillside and that the car park at 5A end was considerably raised in comparison to the street outside and to this view, it looks as tho the greenery must have virtually reached the ground in the car park near 5A. If the trees were like this at the time, then there would be ample greenery to hide a man in the greenery especially as it was so dark there.
IIRC the trees were a little like willows in as much as they had longish fonds hanging down. SIL, will you please correct me if i am remembering incorrectly.
Oh, i have just remembered, they were all ruthlessly cut down in time for Pat Browns visit.
IMO, of course but the pointers are there.
http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PB/back5a10.jpg
(http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PB/back5a10.jpg)
Pointers Sadie ?
There are also pointers for other things.
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Pointers Sadie ?
There are also pointers for other things.
Do you not agree, stephen, that if the trees had been likie that at the time, there would have been ample opportunity for a man hiding to have hidden in the darkness, in the head of that tree?
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Do you not agree, stephen, that if the trees had been likie that at the time, there would have been ample opportunity for a man hiding to have hidden in the darkness, in the head of that tree?
Were there movement-sensitive lights by the trees?
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Do you not agree, stephen, that if the trees had been likie that at the time, there would have been ample opportunity for a man hiding to have hidden in the darkness, in the head of that tree?
So he was on the car park side of the apartment? It does really give us an idea or does it?
In the previous thread it does not define the door but Margaret's statement does: "Given that there were problems with rodents in the apartments she went out to have a look in the area at about 00.30. She left by the front door and in the darkness, by the movement sensitive lights, she saw something move and thought its was a rat.
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So he was on the car park side of the apartment? It does really give us an idea or does it?
Where did a man hide so only his feet would be visible from under the foliage?
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Do you not agree, stephen, that if the trees had been likie that at the time, there would have been ample opportunity for a man hiding to have hidden in the darkness, in the head of that tree?
It seems wishful thinking on your part Sadie.
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Were there movement-sensitive lights by the trees?
They used to be triggered by infrared so it could have been anyone's movement that triggered the light going on, but once it was on she saw movement of the guy's shoe.
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They used to be triggered by infrared so it could have been anyone's movement that triggered the light going on, but once it was on she saw movement of the guy's shoe.
So would any passing animal such as a cat.
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So would any passing animal such as a cat.
That is right, cat, dog, person. But not a tree waving in the wind. For it wasn't movement on its own but movement of the infra red source that triggers the sensor AFAIK.
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They used to be triggered by infrared so it could have been anyone's movement that triggered the light going on, but once it was on she saw movement of the guy's shoe.
The lights outside the front doors were operated by a push button according to Rachel.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
....." so the car park was quite dark and then when you actually got, you came down a ramp, or down some steps into the sort of area in front of the apartments and erm you know they were, there were sort of lights, you press a button and they come on for a certain length of time, so you know, you put those on to get to the front door, it wasn't pitch black but I'm not keen on the dark anyway so erm'. "
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Where did a man hide so only his feet would be visible from under the foliage?
That photo misty was at the time of the abductioin.
The "rat" incident was at an earlier date and there could well have been trees as shown in my photo then
http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PB/back5a10.jpg
(http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PB/back5a10.jpg)
We dont know how thw trees were then, do we?
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The lights outside the front doors were operated by a push button according to Rachel.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
....." so the car park was quite dark and then when you actually got, you came down a ramp, or down some steps into the sort of area in front of the apartments and erm you know they were, there were sort of lights, you press a button and they come on for a certain length of time, so you know, you put those on to get to the front door, it wasn't pitch black but I'm not keen on the dark anyway so erm'. "
Yep, but I think that she is talking about the open hallway area that the stairs and several of the flats branched off from.
Is there any sign of a push button outside 5A front door?
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Where were the bushes in 5a in which a grown man could hide?
I think he was in the private garden area.
She left by the front door and in the darkness, by the movement sensitive lights, she saw something move and thought its was a rat.
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She said that the front door was the main door to enter the apartment, situated at the back.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARGARET_HALL.htm
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Yeah well look on the positive side.
There was no evidence found of break in or abduction on 3rd May 2007.
What 'appened on other dates is largely irrelevant.
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It seems wishful thinking on your part Sadie.
mistys photo shows what it was like immediately after Madekleine vanished
The "rat" incident was previous to that by a good period of time. Foliage increases at an amazing rate in the western Algarve.
What I am pointing out is that the foliage could have been like in my picture at the time of the rat incident. We dont know, do we?
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I think he was in the private garden area.
She left by the front door and in the darkness, by the movement sensitive lights, she saw something move and thought its was a rat.
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She said that the front door was the main door to enter the apartment, situated at the back.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARGARET_HALL.htm
Margaret Hall is in a mess with which was the front and which was the back IMO
We all were to begin with if you remember.
She says the main dioor and, imo, that cannot mean patio doors. Almost certainly she means the Front door.
But in the darkness, apart from maybe his lower legs, a man would be well hidden by foliage such as I have shown. Remember Margaret was coming from a lighted araea and looking out into blackness. It takes time for the eyes to adjust in such circumstances.
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mistys photo shows what it was like immediately after Madekleine vanished
The "rat" incident was previous to that by a good period of time. Foliage increases at an amazing rate in the western Algarve.
What I am pointing out is that the foliage could have been like in my picture at the time of the rat incident. We dont know, do we?
There again they could have been newly planted.
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It seems to me that reported crimes are not always recorded in Portugal
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It seems to me that reported crimes are not always recorded in Portugal
Impossible to tell.
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Impossible to tell.
It seems none of the cases reported to SY which had been reported to the Portuguese police had been recorded
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It seems none of the cases reported to SY which had been reported to the Portuguese police had been recorded
Which are they?
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Which are they?
Redwood has referred to several
Are you unaware
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Redwood has referred to several
Are you unaware
So which are they?
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It seems to me that reported crimes are not always recorded in Portugal
Are you referring to the man seen by Ms Hall? What crime was committed? Did she report it to the police?
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Margaret Hall is in a mess with which was the front and which was the back IMO
We all were to begin with if you remember.
She says the main dioor and, imo, that cannot mean patio doors. Almost certainly she means the Front door.
But in the darkness, apart from maybe his lower legs, a man would be well hidden by foliage such as I have shown. Remember Margaret was coming from a lighted araea and looking out into blackness. It takes time for the eyes to adjust in such circumstances.
What exactly is the sequence of events after Madeleine's disappearance?
Margaret Hall reported the event she experienced to the police.
The police put her in touch with metodo3 who were working for Madeleine's parents.
They took her statement and relayed it to the Portuguese.
The Portuguese police ruled it out of the investigation because it was not considered of relevance.
What is right and what is wrong with that?
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What exactly is the sequence of events after Madeleine's disappearance?
Margaret Hall reported the event she experienced to the police.
The police put her in touch with metodo3 who were working for Madeleine's parents.
They took her statement and relayed it to the Portuguese.
The Portuguese police ruled it out of the investigation because it was not considered of relevance.
What is right and what is wrong with that?
In my book,
- It is right that Margaret reported it to the Police
X It is wrong that the Police ignored it, but I am glad they passed it on to Metodo, because otherwise we might never have heard about it.
- It is unusual that Metodo had to take the statement from Margaret, that should have been the Polices job ... but good that they passed the statement on to the Police.
X It is bad that they ruled it out of their investigation, because they say they did not consider it of relevance
Presumably it was considered of NO relevance because it went against Amarals almost immediate thesis that Madeleine died in 5A. He was set in that thesis and didn't want anything indicating or proving it wrong, IMO
So analysing it:
The right things were done by Metodo and the wrong things were done by the Portuguese Police under Amarals command.
Poor Madeleine, she was badly let down by Amarals fixation that she died in 5A. IMHO
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In my book,
- It is right that Margaret reported it to the Police
X It is wrong that the Police ignored it, but I am glad they passed it on to Metodo, because otherwise we might never have heard about it. The police didn't pass anything to Metodo 3, she found them herself
- It is unusual that Metodo had to take the statement from Margaret, that should have been the Polices job ... but good that they passed the statement on to the Police.
X It is bad that they ruled it out of their investigation, because they say they did not consider it of relevance
Presumably it was considered of NO relevance because it went against Amarals almost immediate thesis that Madeleine died in 5A. He was set in that thesis and didn't want anything indicating or proving it wrong, IMO
By the time Metodo 3 met with the PJ Amaral had gone from the investigation, so you can't hang that one on him...sorry!
So analysing it:
The right things were done by Metodo and the wrong things were done by the Portuguese Police under Amarals command. Not under Amaral's command!
Poor Madeleine, she was badly let down by Amarals fixation that she died in 5A. IMHO
Corrected in red.
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Corrected in red.
That is contrary to previous media reports contained on this thread. MH reported the matter initially to the police in Bolton.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3140.msg115271#msg115271
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That is contrary to previous media reports contained on this thread. MH reported the matter initially to the police in Bolton.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3140.msg115271#msg115271
They did nothing, so she contacted Metodo 3.
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They did nothing, so she contacted Metodo 3.
Why do you believe the UK police did nothing, not that the PJ failed to act upon receipt of the information? How many times have we read that the PJ have disregarded potentially important information?
Did the PJ ever follow up Amanda Mills' information? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html
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Why do you believe the UK police did nothing, not that the PJ failed to act upon receipt of the information? How many times have we read that the PJ have disregarded potentially important information?
Did the PJ ever follow up Amanda Mills' information? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html
A mother described today how she saw a "scruffy, unshaven" man acting suspiciously in the same resort from where three-year-old Madeleine McCann was abducted.
Amanda Mills, 34, said the man, who had a dark tan, was loitering around children and "hiding in the shadow" outside a ground floor flat yards from where Madeleine's family were staying.
She said she alerted reception staff at the Ocean Village complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal, but did not hear any more about it. Madeleine disappeared last Thursday night.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html
The newspaper report is dated 08th May 2007 and states Mrs Mills had visited the resort "a fortnight ago". Does that mean that she was on holiday at the same time as the McCanns?
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A mother described today how she saw a "scruffy, unshaven" man acting suspiciously in the same resort from where three-year-old Madeleine McCann was abducted.
Amanda Mills, 34, said the man, who had a dark tan, was loitering around children and "hiding in the shadow" outside a ground floor flat yards from where Madeleine's family were staying.
She said she alerted reception staff at the Ocean Village complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal, but did not hear any more about it. Madeleine disappeared last Thursday night.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html
The newspaper report is dated 08th May 2007 and states Mrs Mills had visited the resort "a fortnight ago". Does that mean that she was on holiday at the same time as the McCanns?
There was an Adam Mills booked in for 2 weeks from 21/4.... 2+1 3year old.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_617.jpg
His wife was listed as Mrs J Mills, though http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P2/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_340.jpg but that booking shows only 7 nights.
ETA Has a keen interest in the case. https://twitter.com/ad_mills/status/389465949843124225/photo/1
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What exactly is the sequence of events after Madeleine's disappearance?
Margaret Hall reported the event she experienced to the police.
The police put her in touch with metodo3 who were working for Madeleine's parents.
They took her statement and relayed it to the Portuguese.
The Portuguese police ruled it out of the investigation because it was not considered of relevance.
What is right and what is wrong with that?
What I find wrong is that Ms. Hall's initial report to the MW management seemed to be ignored and they were more interested in the rat problem than the prowlers around the apartments.
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A mother described today how she saw a "scruffy, unshaven" man acting suspiciously in the same resort from where three-year-old Madeleine McCann was abducted.
Amanda Mills, 34, said the man, who had a dark tan, was loitering around children and "hiding in the shadow" outside a ground floor flat yards from where Madeleine's family were staying.
She said she alerted reception staff at the Ocean Village complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal, but did not hear any more about it. Madeleine disappeared last Thursday night.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html
The newspaper report is dated 08th May 2007 and states Mrs Mills had visited the resort "a fortnight ago". Does that mean that she was on holiday at the same time as the McCanns?
The man has some similarities to the description of the person seen by Margaret Hall. I'm surprised now that he hasn't been on the wanted list.
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Why do you believe the UK police did nothing, not that the PJ failed to act upon receipt of the information? How many times have we read that the PJ have disregarded potentially important information?
Did the PJ ever follow up Amanda Mills' information? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html
There's no evidence that Bolton police passed the information to anyone. That suggests they did nothing with it. The PJ were told about it a year after it happened. Just what they were supposed to do escapes me. The Mills person didn't report anything to the PJ, so how could they follow up her information?
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There's no evidence that Bolton police passed the information to anyone. That suggests they did nothing with it. The PJ were told about it a year after it happened. Just what they were supposed to do escapes me. The Mills person didn't report anything to the PJ, so how could they follow up her information?
That person may have been known to the PJ. I think it a little simplistic to say " just what they were supposed to do escapes me".
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That person may have been known to the PJ. I think it a little simplistic to say " just what they were supposed to do escapes me".
There will always be a cost/benefit element when deciding what to investigate. If the PJ had investigated everything reported to them by the enthusiastic British public, no matter how tenuous the possible connection, Portugal would probably be bankrupt now. I think it's simplistic to suggest that all information is equally valid and worthy of spending time and resources on.
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There will always be a cost/benefit element when deciding what to investigate. If the PJ had investigated everything reported to them by the enthusiastic British public, no matter how tenuous the possible connection, Portugal would probably be bankrupt now. I think it's simplistic to suggest that all information is equally valid and worthy of spending time and resources on.
But these two sightings were for lone male in PDL. I think that it would be fairly likely he was known to the public there. I don't understand why that would be an expensive exercise to track this person down and see if he had an alibi for 3 May 2007.
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But these two sightings were for lone male in PDL. I think that it would be fairly likely he was known to the public there. I don't understand why that would be an expensive exercise to track this person down and see if he had an alibi for 3 May 2007.
1. Interview Ms Hall themselves. Cost; flight/accommodation, officer's time.
2. Produce efit of suspect. Cost not known.
3. Find him. How? Lots of officer time involved here.
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But these two sightings were for lone male in PDL. I think that it would be fairly likely he was known to the public there. I don't understand why that would be an expensive exercise to track this person down and see if he had an alibi for 3 May 2007.
Why would you think that would be the case ?
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But these two sightings were for lone male in PDL. I think that it would be fairly likely he was known to the public there. I don't understand why that would be an expensive exercise to track this person down and see if he had an alibi for 3 May 2007.
Its seems as if the last 4 arguidos were likely to be known locally,where did that get Grange?
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Its seems as if the last 4 arguidos were likely to be known locally,where did that get Grange?
Not alot farther than you could kick a lamp post without hurting yourself it would seem.
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Its seems as if the last 4 arguidos were likely to be known locally,where did that get Grange?
I'm happy with what they did. In my theory there could have been an attempted burglary, they might have been involved in that but in my theory the burglars don't abduct Madeleine. So if they deny having anything to do with Madeleine's abduction that is possible, but they might still have been the ones who raised the shutters and opened the window. But unless their finger prints matched there would be no proof.
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Why would you think that would be the case ?
It is a small local area where everyone knows what others are up to.
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When a child had gone missing & there were reports of people having been seen behaving oddly in the same locale during the previous weeks/months, it beggars belief that the Mills & Hall information was not given the same priority as the Flack/Silence/Tranmer sightings.
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When a child had gone missing & there were reports of people having been seen behaving oddly in the same locale during the previous weeks/months, it beggars belief that the Mills & Hall information was not given the same priority as the Flack/Silence/Tranmer sightings.
I think you're being unrealistic. The UK police didn't appear to treat either women's information as urgent. The others you mention were near 5A during the right timescale.
Mrs Mills, from Basildon, Essex, contacted Leicestershire police, Mark Warner and the British Embassy in Portugal as soon as she heard Madeleine had gone missing, but again criticised the response, accusing officials of being uninterested.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html
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I think you're being unrealistic. The UK police didn't appear to treat either women's information as urgent. The others you mention were near 5A during the right timescale.
Mrs Mills, from Basildon, Essex, contacted Leicestershire police, Mark Warner and the British Embassy in Portugal as soon as she heard Madeleine had gone missing, but again criticised the response, accusing officials of being uninterested.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html
An article linked to that one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550732/Paedophile-abducted-Madeleine-police-say.html had a surprise "Police searching for Madeleine McCann, the British toddler abducted while on holiday in Portugal, fear she has been seized by a paedophile.
Officers have a prime suspect but were last night refusing to release any details, including a sketch, for fear of endangering Madeleine's life.
They believe the girl, whose fourth birthday falls this week, is alive and may be being held no more than three miles from where she was abducted. They fear they are now in a race against time to find Madeleine, known as Maddy, before she is murdered."
Were they already looking for this guy who had been hanging around apartment 5A?
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I think The Police know who did it, and how, but they don't know where he is, or can't actually prove it, yet.
All in my not so humble opinion, of course.
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It is a small local area where everyone knows what others are up to.
You are assuming that this mystery person is local.
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I think The Police know who did it, and how, but they don't know where he is, or can't actually prove it, yet.
All in my not so humble opinion, of course.
But isn't that the problem. When the police "know who did it" but have no proof. That implies they could be very wrong if that is the case.
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You are assuming that this mystery person is local.
I was for it seems to be the same person some weeks apart. That is just about the definition of a local person.
I'm not saying he was involved with the McCann case but I do believe he needed to have been eliminated ASAP.
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But isn't that the problem. When the police "know who did it" but have no proof. That implies they could be very wrong if that is the case.
That might depend on where Madeleine is and who she is with now.
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An article linked to that one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550732/Paedophile-abducted-Madeleine-police-say.html had a surprise "Police searching for Madeleine McCann, the British toddler abducted while on holiday in Portugal, fear she has been seized by a paedophile.
Officers have a prime suspect but were last night refusing to release any details, including a sketch, for fear of endangering Madeleine's life.
They believe the girl, whose fourth birthday falls this week, is alive and may be being held no more than three miles from where she was abducted. They fear they are now in a race against time to find Madeleine, known as Maddy, before she is murdered."
Were they already looking for this guy who had been hanging around apartment 5A?
The article linked to has a rather interesting photo in it. Whilst the article is dated at 1 minute into 6 May 2007, presumably the photo dates to 5 May 2007.
IF that is inside Luz (i.e. not a search outside of town) THEN the only place that I know of that matches is the Mound, the area that SY searched in June 2014.
There is insufficient evidence for me to be certain of that. But if everyone keeps a beady eye open for similar photos it may be possible to nail this.
Irrespective, this tells me 3 things. That locals were out searching. That the weather was hot and sunny at the time. And that much could have been missed due to the height of the vegetation.
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The article linked to has a rather interesting photo in it. Whilst the article is dated at 1 minute into 6 May 2007, presumably the photo dates to 5 May 2007.
IF that is inside Luz (i.e. not a search outside of town) THEN the only place that I know of that matches is the Mound, the area that SY searched in June 2014.
There is insufficient evidence for me to be certain of that. But if everyone keeps a beady eye open for similar photos it may be possible to nail this.
Irrespective, this tells me 3 things. That locals were out searching. That the weather was hot and sunny at the time. And that much could have been missed due to the height of the vegetation.
There appears to be some sort of structure at the centre top of the photograph. Does that look at all familiar to you?
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There appears to be some sort of structure at the centre top of the photograph. Does that look at all familiar to you?
I don't think that object is man-made. I don't have an infinite memory for tiny details that seem to have no importance at the time, so I can't say if there is a feature like that near the mound, or not.
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Why would they mark Margaret Hall's statement "Very confidential"?
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Why would they mark Margaret Hall's statement "Very confidential"?
That's an interesting question
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Why would they mark Margaret Hall's statement "Very confidential"?
Indeed. What could be the reason for that i.e. “very confidential”?
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Indeed. What could be the reason for that i.e. “very confidential”?
They wouldn't want to advertise the possibility of rats infesting the resort.
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T9 don't mention seeing/hearing rats nor any of the other guests?
It sounds from MH's description she claims to have seen the man around the front?
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Why would they mark Margaret Hall's statement "Very confidential"?
Was that the PJ or Metodo 3, who actually obtained the statement?
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T9 don't mention seeing/hearing rats nor any of the other guests?
It sounds from MH's description she claims to have seen the man around the front?
Who labelled MH's statement as 'Very Confidential'? Mark Warner themselves?
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Who labelled MH's statement as 'Very Confidential'? Mark Warner themselves?
She said the parents were out playing tennis and then goes on to say she went outside at 00.30 to investigate rats?! Did her baby sitting duties extend to rat catching?
She seems to be referring to the front but refers to it as the back?!
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She said the parents were out playing tennis and then goes on to say she went outside at 00.30 to investigate rats?! Did her baby sitting duties extend to rat catching?
She seems to be referring to the front but refers to it as the back?!
Rats eh? In fairness, given that a few here believe it to be a backward, crime infested, lawless, almost 3rd world cesspit, you could be forgiven in thinking rats may be prevalent in such a dystopian hellhole.
Quite how she had the nuts to venture outside at that hour is probably worth pursuing.
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It was probably just some fella got caught short & took a leak in the bushes.
No, that would be too simple an explanation.
It must have been a Portuguese paedophile gang member casing the joint, that seems a more likely explanation, given the amount of abductions that have happened in the area......oh, wait, no that's right, there haven't been any.
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It was probably just some fella got caught short & took a leak in the bushes.
No, that would be too simple an explanation.
It must have been a Portuguese paedophile gang member casing the joint, that seems a more likely explanation, given the amount of abductions that have happened in the area......oh, wait, no that's right, there haven't been any.
But there have been down the road a bit. A couple even.
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But there have been down the road a bit. A couple even.
Yeah, poor Joana.