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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: jassi on May 06, 2018, 01:34:16 PM
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What time is 'crack of dawn' in Portugal in May ?
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What time is 'crack of dawn' in Portugal in May ?
Today (6 May 2018) sunrise was 06.39, according to the weather site used by the Habana.
Perhaps 06.45-ish on 4 May.
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Today (6 May 2018) sunrise was 06.39, according to the weather site used by the Habana.
Perhaps 06.45-ish on 4 May.
But it must be getting light before that too.
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It's light by 6 so it looks like your times are about an hour out...
There is a difference between getting light and sunrise.
Sunrise is more like 5.45, not sure why SIL is so far out.
Do they have daylight saving time as we do?
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Today (6 May 2018) sunrise was 06.39, according to the weather site used by the Habana.
Perhaps 06.45-ish on 4 May.
That was a cite.
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I thought UK & Portugal were in the same timezone in May
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https://magicseaweed.com/Praia-da-Luz-Surf-Report/4325/Tide/
Today - First light 6.04am Sunrise -6.32am
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https://magicseaweed.com/Praia-da-Luz-Surf-Report/4325/Tide/
Today - First light 6.04am Sunrise -6.32am
Which is pretty much what SIL said originally.
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https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&client=firefox-b&ei=1VHvWqXHOoaZgQaqs6SQCw&q=sunrise+in+lagos+portugal&oq=sunrise+in+lagos+portugal&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0j0i8i30k1.71912.74502.0.78536.6.6.0.0.0.0.164.848.0j6.6.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.6.842...0i7i30k1j0i8i7i30k1.0.vfQXceSnaBk
Sunrise in Lagos 06.34
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Countries/cities can be in the same time zone but that doesn't mean they share the same sunrise times. Sunrise is an hour later in Madrid than it is in Naples, for example.
Dawn, when it starts to become light, was at 6 am in the Algarve today.
Faro, Portugal — Sunrise, Sunset, and Daylength, May 2018
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Daylight
06:32 – 20:25
13 hours, 52 minutes
Current Time: 6 May 2018, 20:05:50
Sun Direction: ↑ 288.88° WNW
Sun Altitude: 2.99°
Sun Distance: 150.926 million km
Next Solstice: 21 Jun 2018 11:07 (Summer)
Sunrise Today: 06:32↑ 68° East
Sunset Today: 20:25↑ 292° Northwest
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/portugal/faro
Date Sunrise Sunset Length Change Dawn Dusk Length Change
Today 06:32 20:25 13:53 06:04 20:53 14:49
https://www.gaisma.com/en/location/faro.html
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Today (6 May 2018) sunrise was 06.39, according to the weather site used by the Habana.
Perhaps 06.45-ish on 4 May.
The camera doesnt lie.
Just had a look at the other camera at Ocean Villas in Praia da Luz which points east and you are correct, on the 4th May the sun rose between 7am and 7.10am. Confirmed too that at the moment Portugal and the UK share the same timezone.
The reality for PdL is that the headland blocks the sunrise for anyone standing on or near the beach. Locations further east and higher above sea level which have a clear line of sight to the horizon will have a slightly earlier sunrise.
Official sunrise though is 6.38 pm for 3 May.
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I thought UK & Portugal were in the same timezone in May
They are always on the same time. Clocks spring forward at the same time, clocks fall back at the same time.
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Just looked at Google, Dawn is when the mccannns said they started, searching and that's 6.01...lisbon
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https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@2266934?month=5&year=2007
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Just looked at Google, Dawn is when the mccannns said they started, searching and that's 6.01...lisbon
Cite re Lisbon. *&(+(+
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Cite re Lisbon. *&(+(+
When I get back.... Luz is, similar
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When I get back.... Luz is, similar
Another 'I'll cite it later'?
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Just looked at Google, Dawn is when the mccannns said they started, searching and that's 6.01...lisbon
Fiona said it was still cold and dark when they left the apartment - she estimated it was between 5 and 6am.
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Another 'I'll cite it later'?
(removed personal remark) I post from my phone... Simply Google... Dawn luz Portugal and you will get the answer... 6.04...on the 9th of may
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Wasn't it still dark when they made their first press statement ? I seem to remember Gerry with a torch.
So when did this searching take place - before or after ?
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Wasn't it still dark when they made their first press statement ? I seem to remember Gerry with a torch.
So when did this searching take place - before or after ?
The press hadn't arrived by the first morning!
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The press hadn't arrived by the first morning!
Certainly not in the numbers who would fly in later. Just those within easy reach to begin with.
Snip
As the case of missing Madeleine McCann reaches its tenth anniversary, Olive Press editor JON CLARKE – the first journalist on the scene – analyses why her parents were not involved… and recalls the shocking way he ended up accused of being involved.
I RECEIVED the call at 7.15am from the Daily Mail foreign desk. It was a Friday morning as we approached deadline for one of the first editions of the Olive Press, then in its early fledgling stage.
The daughter of a pair of British doctors had gone missing on the Algarve the night before. Could I get over and investigate?
I was on the road half an hour later from Ronda, where we had our office, based out of a cowshed next to my home.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2017/05/11/madeleine-mccann-olive-press-editor-talks-first-journalist-scene-10th-anniversary-disappearance/
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Wasn't it still dark when they made their first press statement ? I seem to remember Gerry with a torch.
So when did this searching take place - before or after ?
We could always chuck in the old "do you mean astronomical dawn, nautical dawn,civil dawn" including, especially for us oiks, "crack o' sparrerfart dawn"? Why not just round it off to six Ack Emma.....it would be well light by then.
https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/different-types-twilight.html
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(removed personal remark) I post from my phone... Simply Google... Dawn luz Portugal and you will get the answer... 6.04...on the 9th of may
Cite for Lisbon still awaited.
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https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@2266934?month=5&year=2007
6.37am
The end.
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https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@2266934?month=5&year=2007
6.37am
The end.
Many thanks. *&(+(+
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Cite for Lisbon still awaited.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dawn+lisbon&oq=dawn+lisbon&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.4775j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
06:01
Wednesday, 9 May 2018 (WEST)
Dawn in Lisbon, Portugal
https://www.gaisma.com/en/location/lisbon.html
from Kates book it seems dawn is a more accurate time for the beginning of the search
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dawn+lisbon&oq=dawn+lisbon&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.4775j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
06:01
Wednesday, 9 May 2018 (WEST)
Dawn in Lisbon, Portugal
https://www.gaisma.com/en/location/lisbon.html
from Kates book it seems dawn is a more accurate time for the beginning of the search
It would seem dawn happens half an hour before sunrise, who knew?! I always assumed they were one and the same, I obviously just don’t get up early enough.
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The press hadn't arrived by the first morning!
Ok, so when was that statement given, where Kate looks like a startled rabbit and Gerry is reading from notes?
https://www.google.com/search?q=McCann+press+statement+4+may+2007&safe=off&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVjeXGjvjaAhVHC8AKHVvuB2QQ_AUIDSgE&biw=1262&bih=760#imgrc=p4Hflrzt1KERWM:
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Ok, so when was that statement given, where Kate looks like a startled rabbit and Gerry is reading from notes?
https://www.google.com/search?q=McCann+press+statement+4+may+2007&safe=off&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVjeXGjvjaAhVHC8AKHVvuB2QQ_AUIDSgE&biw=1262&bih=760#imgrc=p4Hflrzt1KERWM:
looks late in the day to me.
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Ok, so when was that statement given, where Kate looks like a startled rabbit and Gerry is reading from notes?
https://www.google.com/search?q=McCann+press+statement+4+may+2007&safe=off&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVjeXGjvjaAhVHC8AKHVvuB2QQ_AUIDSgE&biw=1262&bih=760#imgrc=p4Hflrzt1KERWM:
Friday 4th in the evening after they returned from giving their police statements.
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https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@2266934?month=5&year=2007
6.37am
The end.
No chance.
See post #13.
I guess some folk just don't know how to open links or plain just can't read.
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The press hadn't arrived by the first morning!
They had arrived early enough to get still photos, and a video of Kate and Gerry getting into a police car for the trip to Portimão, for their 4 May 2007 interviews.
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They had arrived early enough to get still photos, and a video of Kate and Gerry getting into a police car for the trip to Portimão, for their 4 May 2007 interviews.
I would suggest local press. The rest flew in later after the news broke on the morning of the 4th.
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I would suggest local press. The rest flew in later after the news broke on the morning of the 4th.
Len Port was on the scene around 9:30 AM.
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Or are lazy, or just assumed it was a link to a youtube video of some random old pop song.
That would explain the not knowing A from a bulls foot.
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That would explain the not knowing A from a bulls foot.
Undoubtedly.
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Ok, so when was that statement given, where Kate looks like a startled rabbit and Gerry is reading from notes?
https://www.google.com/search?q=McCann+press+statement+4+may+2007&safe=off&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjVjeXGjvjaAhVHC8AKHVvuB2QQ_AUIDSgE&biw=1262&bih=760#imgrc=p4Hflrzt1KERWM:
4 May 2007
"It was 10pm, it was dark and I found the huge crowd and incessant flashbulbs incredibly intimidating. I was only grateful that at least Gerry was used to public speaking and I wouldn’t have to say anything, though it wasn’t easy for him, either. This was hardly the same as addressing a conference and he was completely traumatized. His voice cracked with emotion as he read out his statement by torchlight."
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xVoeOPRNOVw/WEctuiLaihI/AAAAAAAAMY8/Hoxel_ohnWEU5jhxgnPPHr7x0rSmhp_MACLcB/s640/image003.jpg)
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10 PM - another long day!