TVI ordered to pay €20,000 to Robert Murat for calling him a "paedophile".

[Robittybob1]

I see even Robert Murat had sympathy for the McCanns and offered them translation help.  He paid the price for that!    OK he won a few court cases but it has damaged his reputation forever (so he said in the interview).

[Brietta]

The question was, how can someone who was awarded £600,000 in damages in 2008, claim now to be depended economically on his 80-year-old mummy?

Am I missing something here?

I found a quote in a Portuguese paper which said that it was as a result of what had happened to him at the time as a result of the media campaign.
I'll never find it again ... but I can see the force of it.

I don't imagine anyone would be too happy to use his services as an estate agent while he was a suspect in Madeleine's case and the leaks regarding allegations regarding his computers and their content must have put the tin hat on it.
Although he did make a killing from the British press in quite a reasonable space of time unlike with the Portuguese courts and TVI ... I think he must indeed have been financially embarrassed until his British libel damages came through and the papers laid off him.

I think the PJ really did muck up anything they might have had on him though by leaking information about him and then taking their eye off the ball to concentrate on Kate and Gerry.
If only half of what was recorded in the files about him had any substance I think he was certainly worthy of a much closer look than he was given.

But I can see why he could have become financially dependant on mum and why he wanted to make that part of his case against TVI ~ bearing in mind this has been dragging on in the background for years.
But exactly when did his dependency come into being ... he was living there with his mum at the time of Madeleine's disappearance ... or was he just visiting? and ended up having to remain there even once the case was archived due to financial constraints?

TVI did only repeat what was said in the Portuguese press.  I know Sergey Malinka and Michaela Walczuch successfully sued them ... did Murat do likewise?

[John]

I found a quote in a Portuguese paper which said that it was as a result of what had happened to him at the time as a result of the media campaign.
I'll never find it again ... but I can see the force of it.

I don't imagine anyone would be too happy to use his services as an estate agent while he was a suspect in Madeleine's case and the leaks regarding allegations regarding his computers and their content must have put the tin hat on it.
Although he did make a killing from the British press in quite a reasonable space of time unlike with the Portuguese courts and TVI ... I think he must indeed have been financially embarrassed until his British libel damages came through and the papers laid off him.

I think the PJ really did muck up anything they might have had on him though by leaking information about him and then taking their eye off the ball to concentrate on Kate and Gerry.
If only half of what was recorded in the files about him had any substance I think he was certainly worthy of a much closer look than he was given.

But I can see why he could have become financially dependant on mum and why he wanted to make that part of his case against TVI ~ bearing in mind this has been dragging on in the background for years.
But exactly when did his dependency come into being ... he was living there with his mum at the time of Madeleine's disappearance ... or was he just visiting? and ended up having to remain there even once the case was archived due to financial constraints?

TVI did only repeat what was said in the Portuguese press.  I know Sergey Malinka and Michaela Walczuch successfully sued them ... did Murat do likewise?

I think the story about the €20,000 is just a little short on facts and the crucial point is that the claim against TVI must be at least ten years old and part of the original actions against the various media which saw them settle to the tune of some £600,000.

On that basis Murat was dependent on his mother financially as the allegations against him left him without work and unable to go anywhere for fear of being assaulted.

I agree too that his public reputation has been inextricably damaged due to his link with the McCann case.

[faithlilly]

I found a quote in a Portuguese paper which said that it was as a result of what had happened to him at the time as a result of the media campaign.
I'll never find it again ... but I can see the force of it.

I don't imagine anyone would be too happy to use his services as an estate agent while he was a suspect in Madeleine's case and the leaks regarding allegations regarding his computers and their content must have put the tin hat on it.
Although he did make a killing from the British press in quite a reasonable space of time unlike with the Portuguese courts and TVI ... I think he must indeed have been financially embarrassed until his British libel damages came through and the papers laid off him.

I think the PJ really did muck up anything they might have had on him though by leaking information about him and then taking their eye off the ball to concentrate on Kate and Gerry.
If only half of what was recorded in the files about him had any substance I think he was certainly worthy of a much closer look than he was given.

But I can see why he could have become financially dependant on mum and why he wanted to make that part of his case against TVI ~ bearing in mind this has been dragging on in the background for years.
But exactly when did his dependency come into being ... he was living there with his mum at the time of Madeleine's disappearance ... or was he just visiting? and ended up having to remain there even once the case was archived due to financial constraints?

TVI did only repeat what was said in the Portuguese press.  I know Sergey Malinka and Michaela Walczuch successfully sued them ... did Murat do likewise?

I’m sure the fact that the dogs didn’t alert to anything connected to Murat helped to refocus the investigation.

[Robittybob1]

I’m sure the fact that the dogs didn’t alert to anything connected to Murat helped to refocus the investigation.

As I see it GA was trying to get Jane to identify RM carrying Madeleine.  If that was the case Madeleine was alive or only just deceased that moment he crossed the road.  Cadaver odour is not going to set in (on average) for another 2 hours at the minimum.  So why would there be cadaver odour at RM residence?

[barrier]

I think the story about the €20,000 is just a little short on facts and the crucial point is that the claim against TVI must be at least ten years old and part of the original actions against the various media which saw them settle to the tune of some £600,000.

On that basis Murat was dependent on his mother financially as the allegations against him left him without work and unable to go anywhere for fear of being assaulted.

I agree too that his public reputation has been inextricably damaged due to his link with the McCann case.

It certainly wasn't enhanced, I don't think anyone could claim that.

[Brietta]

I’m sure the fact that the dogs didn’t alert to anything connected to Murat helped to refocus the investigation.

Undoubtedly the misinterpretation of the significance of the dog alerts must surely have adversely affected the case for finding Madeline.

[Miss Taken Identity]

The question was, how can someone who was awarded £600,000 in damages in 2008, claim now to be depended economically on his 80-year-old mummy?

Am I missing something here?

any reason why my reply to this was removed?

[Sunny]

Undoubtedly the misinterpretation of the significance of the dog alerts must surely have adversely affected the case for finding Madeline.

Madeline or Madeleine Brietta?

Supporters appear to think the case stopped when Goncalo Amaral was removed. Didn't it go on and weren't the McCanns friends asked to attend a reconstruction afterwards that they all appeared to refuse IMO.

Perhaps the PJ still thought the McCanns and friends had questions to answer even AFTER Goncalo Amaral left yet all I appear to see is dog alerts and DNA as reasons to bash the PJ.

I may be new but I have read a significant portion of this forum and others too some posts going back to 2007/8.  This is all IMO but based on my own research.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Madeline or Madeleine Brietta?

Supporters appear to think the case stopped when Goncalo Amaral was removed. Didn't it go on and weren't the McCanns friends asked to attend a reconstruction afterwards that they all appeared to refuse IMO.

Perhaps the PJ still thought the McCanns and friends had questions to answer even AFTER Goncalo Amaral left yet all I appear to see is dog alerts and DNA as reasons to bash the PJ.



I may be new but I have read a significant portion of this forum and others too some posts going back to 2007/8.  This is all IMO but based on my own research.

I believe it is reasonable to assume that with the 'shelving' of the report- the case was not closed and PJ did  not beliieve  the Tapas versions of account. That is why LP were asked to talk to the Tapas. By that time they almost forgot they were on holiday poor dears!

[Alice Purjorick]

I’m sure the fact that the dogs didn’t alert to anything connected to Murat helped to refocus the investigation.

Bearing in mind the dogs were brought in to sniff over Mr Murat's domain goods and chattels because he was the only suspect at the time; largely by innuendo and comparison with Ian Huntly. Now I wonder who started that hare running and why? It is actually recorded for any one who wishes to turn it up.
It might also explain the "collywobbles" over the dogs as they turned up nowt.

[Brietta]

Madeline or Madeleine Brietta?

Supporters appear to think the case stopped when Goncalo Amaral was removed. Didn't it go on and weren't the McCanns friends asked to attend a reconstruction afterwards that they all appeared to refuse IMO.

Perhaps the PJ still thought the McCanns and friends had questions to answer even AFTER Goncalo Amaral left yet all I appear to see is dog alerts and DNA as reasons to bash the PJ.

I may be new but I have read a significant portion of this forum and others too some posts going back to 2007/8.  This is all IMO but based on my own research.

Everyone associated with Madeleine's case knows that the investigation continued under  the guiding hand of Rebelo ... while the Portuguese press continued apace with the scandal and libel stories.


 
Sunday Herald
Sun October 14, 2007 01:00am

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22 ... public_rss

THE new head of the Madeleine McCann investigation is to bring in a team of murder specialists, he revealed yesterday.
Paulo Rebelo, Portugal's second most senior policeman, has summoned his men from Lisbon to double the size of the squad on the hunt for the four-year-old.

He wants a "root and branch" review of every aspect of the floundering five-month investigation.

Kate and Gerry McCann welcomed the move, which British experts said should have happened months ago.

The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "If they are experts in homicides, then hopefully they can eliminate (the McCanns) as suspects."

But friends of the couple said they wanted to see the inquiry refocus as a search for a missing child, not as a murder hunt.

Mr Rebelo, 45, the deputy national director of the Policia Judiciaria, took over the investigation on Wednesday.

Mr and Mrs McCann, both 39, have been told that results of forensics tests could be handed to Portuguese police on Monday.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/new-team-takes-over-hunt-for-madeleine-mccann-14-1-t730.html

[Sunny]

Everyone associated with Madeleine's case knows that the investigation continued under  the guiding hand of Rebelo ... while the Portuguese press continued apace with the scandal and libel stories.


 
Sunday Herald
Sun October 14, 2007 01:00am

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22 ... public_rss

THE new head of the Madeleine McCann investigation is to bring in a team of murder specialists, he revealed yesterday.
Paulo Rebelo, Portugal's second most senior policeman, has summoned his men from Lisbon to double the size of the squad on the hunt for the four-year-old.

He wants a "root and branch" review of every aspect of the floundering five-month investigation.

Kate and Gerry McCann welcomed the move, which British experts said should have happened months ago.

The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "If they are experts in homicides, then hopefully they can eliminate (the McCanns) as suspects."

But friends of the couple said they wanted to see the inquiry refocus as a search for a missing child, not as a murder hunt.

Mr Rebelo, 45, the deputy national director of the Policia Judiciaria, took over the investigation on Wednesday.

Mr and Mrs McCann, both 39, have been told that results of forensics tests could be handed to Portuguese police on Monday.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/new-team-takes-over-hunt-for-madeleine-mccann-14-1-t730.html

What I was trying to point out was that after Goncalo Amaral left the McCanns were still considered suspects yet on here and elsewhere on some forums. you wouldn't think so as it appears to be all about Goncalo Amaral and his supposed mistakes.  All IMO

Just my thoughts on what I have read.

[Mr Gray]

What I was trying to point out was that after Goncalo Amaral left the McCanns were still considered suspects yet on here and elsewhere on some forums. you wouldn't think so as it appears to be all about Goncalo Amaral and his supposed mistakes.  All IMO

Just my thoughts on what I have read.

i think you will find that posters here understand the landmarks in the case

[John]

As I see it GA was trying to get Jane to identify RM carrying Madeleine.  If that was the case Madeleine was alive or only just deceased that moment he crossed the road.  Cadaver odour is not going to set in (on average) for another 2 hours at the minimum.  So why would there be cadaver odour at RM residence?

Didn't the PJ dig up parts of Casa Liliana back in May 2007 and used probes and ground penetrating radar in an attempt to find any trace of the missing child.