Has Scotland Yard dodged a bullet in the Maddie case?

[Sunny]

I would have thought each individual country would have to agree...

The terms in accordance with which a JIT operates vary from case to case, but they are based on the model JIT agreement as appended to Council Resolution (2017/C 18/01). This resolution “encourages the competent authorities of the Member States that wish to set up a Joint Investigation Team with the competent authorities from other Member States, in accordance with the terms of the Framework Decision and the Convention, or from non-EU States, on the basis of the relevant international instruments, to use, where appropriate, the Model Agreement […] in order to agree upon the modalities for the joint investigation team”.




looks like Im correct...no will...no way

Do you know of any examples where the UK has allowed another EU member state JIT status within our own country, particularly if the crime was wholly within the UK, Davel?  I can't find any.

[ShiningInLuz]

I would have thought each individual country would have to agree...

The terms in accordance with which a JIT operates vary from case to case, but they are based on the model JIT agreement as appended to Council Resolution (2017/C 18/01). This resolution “encourages the competent authorities of the Member States that wish to set up a Joint Investigation Team with the competent authorities from other Member States, in accordance with the terms of the Framework Decision and the Convention, or from non-EU States, on the basis of the relevant international instruments, to use, where appropriate, the Model Agreement […] in order to agree upon the modalities for the joint investigation team”.





looks like Im correct...no will...no way

2017 is how many years too late?

[Mr Gray]

Do you know of any examples where the UK has allowed another EU member state JIT status within our own country, particularly if the crime was wholly within the UK, Davel?  I can't find any.

are there any examples where its been requested....Im fairly sure SY officers have travelled to other countries

Obviously  JIT status would be very helpful to SYs investigation... But is the PJ resentful

[Alice Purjorick]

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/joint-investigations-team-manual-2011.pdf

[Alice Purjorick]

are there any examples where its been requested....Im fairly sure SY officers have travelled to other countries

Obviously  JIT status would be very helpful to SYs investigation... But is the PJ resentful

What makes you think that SY would have lead the JIT had one been set up?
Why did not SY ask for one?

[Mr Gray]

What makes you think that SY would have lead the JIT had one been set up?
Why did not SY ask for one?

A JIT is a contract for cooperation ....meaning no Ilors necessary.......we dont know if one was asked for or if the portuguese refused....it would seem sensible from the point of view of SY

[Alice Purjorick]

A JIT is a contract for cooperation ....meaning no Ilors necessary.......we dont know if one was asked for or if the portuguese refused....it would seem sensible from the point of view of SY

Except the leaders of the JIT would be the Portuguese.

"The team is set up inthe Member State in which investigations are expected to be predominantly
carried out".
"Article 13 of the 2000 MLA Convention provides that: "... the leader of the team shall be a
representative of the competent authority participating in criminal investigations from the Member
State in which the team operates".

[Mr Gray]

Except the leaders of the JIT would be the Portuguese.

"The team is set up inthe Member State in which investigations are expected to be predominantly
carried out".
"Article 13 of the 2000 MLA Convention provides that: "... the leader of the team shall be a
representative of the competent authority participating in criminal investigations from the Member
State in which the team operates".

Of course.....but no need for Ilors......the question is did the portuguese or SY want it

[misty]

Except the leaders of the JIT would be the Portuguese.

"The team is set up inthe Member State in which investigations are expected to be predominantly
carried out".
"Article 13 of the 2000 MLA Convention provides that: "... the leader of the team shall be a
representative of the competent authority participating in criminal investigations from the Member
State in which the team operates".

IMO a JIT would have been detrimental to what SY were trying to achieve. There certainly would have been difficulty without an ILOR for re-questioning people who had already been "ruled out" by the original PJ team. It would also have provided the opportunity for further leaks, with each side blaming the other.

[Alice Purjorick]

IMO a JIT would have been detrimental to what SY were trying to achieve. There certainly would have been difficulty without an ILOR for re-questioning people who had already been "ruled out" by the original PJ team. It would also have provided the opportunity for further leaks, with each side blaming the other.

I couldn't agree more. With the Portuguese in the lead they could have requested SY to do all sorts of things they would rather not have.

[Mr Gray]

I couldn't agree more. With the Portuguese in the lead they could have requested SY to do all sorts of things they would rather not have.

tHen dont blame SY for apparent lack of progress when they have no ability to investiagte

[ShiningInLuz]

tHen dont blame SY for apparent lack of progress when they have no ability to investiagte

What were the arguido interviews in July 2014?  And the witness interviews in Dec 2014?

 

[Mr Gray]

What were the arguido interviews in July 2014?  And the witness interviews in Dec 2014?

 

a list of questions ...submited 6 months previously with no opprtunity to follow up...without anothe ILor

[Sunny]

What were the arguido interviews in July 2014?  And the witness interviews in Dec 2014?

 

Who took the dogs into Praia Da Luz too?

[Mr Gray]

Who took the dogs into Praia Da Luz too?

and.....the dogs were offered and the PJ accepted...problem was the PJ thought they were 100% accurate