Has Scotland Yard dodged a bullet in the Maddie case?

[John]

No one has tried to discredit the dogs....they've just told the truth.... amaral says the dogs have solved 200 cases...he says Eddie found a body under a slab of concrete at Jersey..he says the dogs have never been wrong...the pj files say the dogs alerted to cadaver odour...it's all rubbish...bout time you realised

There are no real grounds to reject the abduction theory

There is nothing to support the abducted from the apartment theory but abducted from the street outside is another matter.

[Erngath]

If you believe the abduction story you're believing what the McCanns want you to believe. It's their story and the only 'evidence' supporting it has been provided by them. The only 'evidence' ruling out woke and wandered was provided by them. It was their lawyers who found 'evidence' aimed at discrediting Grime's dogs.

Amaral and his colleagues looked at the evidence before them and rejected the McCanns abduction story.  He gave his opinion about what happened in his book. Others looked at the evidence and also rejected the abduction story. That doesn't mean they accepted Amaral's theory, however.

However you must accept that others have looked at the arguments against abduction and found those arguments lacking.
You reduce the reasons why folk and at present NSY accept that abduction was possible to " believing what the McCanns want you to believe"
Rather insulting in my opinion.

[Vertigo Swirl]

If you believe the abduction story you're believing what the McCanns want you to believe. It's their story and the only 'evidence' supporting it has been provided by them. The only 'evidence' ruling out woke and wandered was provided by them. It was their lawyers who found 'evidence' aimed at discrediting Grime's dogs.

Amaral and his colleagues looked at the evidence before them and rejected the McCanns abduction story.  He gave his opinion about what happened in his book. Others looked at the evidence and also rejected the abduction story. That doesn't mean they accepted Amaral's theory, however.

Abduction is the only logical and plausible explanation for Madeleine’s disappearance IMO.  That’s why I subscribe to it, not because the McCanns made me believe it.  I am not a stupid brainless sheep much as it might please you to think otherwise.

[Brietta]

There is nothing to support the abducted from the apartment theory but abducted from the street outside is another matter.

Madeleine's case was reopened in Portugal because significant new evidence was found after a two year very hush hush police operation had been conducted which reports at the time claimed had reached the conclusion that Madeleine had been taken "in a pre-planned abduction".

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Detectives in Porto, who have been conducting a review of the Madeleine McCann case for the past two years, are believed to have made the request for the investigation to be reopened so colleagues in the Algarve can formally interview potential key witnesses they have approached informally during trips to southern Portugal.

They are understood to be focussing on the theory that Madeleine, aged three when she disappeared in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007, was kidnapped in a pre-planned abduction.

Correio da Manha, a Portuguese newspaper, has reported officers have been looking at the possibility that a foreign paedophile gang took Madeleine.

A spokesman for the Attorney General's office said she was unable to comment on the new lines of inquiry.

He said: "I do not know what they are and how significant they are and even if I did I couldn't comment because of the secrecy order.

"However it is clear from the statement we have released that the decision to reopen the Madeleine McCann investigation has been based on new elements that indicate it's a justifiable action."

Portugal's police officially closed their first inquiry into the case in 2008, after wrongly naming her parents as suspects.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10402102/Madeleine-McCann-case-reopened-by-Portugal-police.html

[faithlilly]

Madeleine's case was reopened in Portugal because significant new evidence was found after a two year very hush hush police operation had been conducted which reports at the time claimed had reached the conclusion that Madeleine had been taken "in a pre-planned abduction".

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Detectives in Porto, who have been conducting a review of the Madeleine McCann case for the past two years, are believed to have made the request for the investigation to be reopened so colleagues in the Algarve can formally interview potential key witnesses they have approached informally during trips to southern Portugal.

They are understood to be focussing on the theory that Madeleine, aged three when she disappeared in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007, was kidnapped in a pre-planned abduction.

Correio da Manha, a Portuguese newspaper, has reported officers have been looking at the possibility that a foreign paedophile gang took Madeleine.

A spokesman for the Attorney General's office said she was unable to comment on the new lines of inquiry.

He said: "I do not know what they are and how significant they are and even if I did I couldn't comment because of the secrecy order.

"However it is clear from the statement we have released that the decision to reopen the Madeleine McCann investigation has been based on new elements that indicate it's a justifiable action."

Portugal's police officially closed their first inquiry into the case in 2008, after wrongly naming her parents as suspects.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10402102/Madeleine-McCann-case-reopened-by-Portugal-police.html

This is the actual quote from the Attorney General’s office.

‘A spokesman for the Attorney General's office said she was unable to comment on the new lines of inquiry.

He said: "I do not know what they are and how significant they are and even if I did I couldn't comment because of the secrecy order.

"However it is clear from the statement we have released that the decision to reopen the Madeleine McCann investigation has been based on new elements that indicate it's a justifiable action."

The quote says absolutely nothing about a pre-planned abduction. In fact it says that they are not able to comment on new lines of enquiry.

[sadie]

There is nothing to support the abducted from the apartment theory but abducted from the street outside is another matter.

So what is there to support the abducted from the street outside.  Can you elaborate please John

[Brietta]

This is the actual quote from the Attorney General’s office.

‘A spokesman for the Attorney General's office said she was unable to comment on the new lines of inquiry.

He said: "I do not know what they are and how significant they are and even if I did I couldn't comment because of the secrecy order.

"However it is clear from the statement we have released that the decision to reopen the Madeleine McCann investigation has been based on new elements that indicate it's a justifiable action."

The quote says absolutely nothing about a pre-planned abduction. In fact it says that they are not able to comment on new lines of enquiry.

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The request of the PJ was the result of more than two years of reanalysis of the process carried out by a team from PJ do Porto, created in March 2011. A group of four inspectors led by research coordinator Helena Monteiro - who never contacted the inquiry, thus avoiding any contamination in the assessment - will have identified witnesses who were never questioned while the proceedings were in progress, by July 2008.

This is confirmed in a statement released Thursday by the PJ. "This work of reanalysis, which took place during the last two and a half years, allowed us to know new evidence that, by imposing the continuation of the investigation, fulfills the requirements ... for the reopening of the investigation," reads the note. The PJ goes on to point out that, in common with all cases of missing children, despite the formal closure of the inquiry, "he continued to be attentive to any information that would make it possible to know the whereabouts of Madeleine McCann, the circumstances in which their disappearance and the identity of their author (s) ".

Investigation centered on the rapture thesis
The PÚBLICO knows that the members of PJ do Porto have already visited the Algarve several times to gather elements and carry out informal investigations that will support the need to reopen the case. The reopening of the inquiry is the only way for the PJ to formally inquire these witnesses.

The reanalysis of the case returns to focus the investigation on the kidnapping thesis, the main line followed by Scotland Yard, who also opened an investigation into the disappearance of Maddie. The PJ do Porto team was convinced of this thesis in view of the careful observation of all the information in the process.

PJ's source made it clear to PÚBLICO that the request for the reopening of the proceedings is the result of the work of the Oporto team and not of elements collected by Scotland Yard, who also opened an investigation into the disappearance of Maddie .

https://www.publico.pt/2013/10/24/sociedade/noticia/ministerio-publico-reabre-processo-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie-1610207

[Robittybob1]

So what is there to support the abducted from the street outside.  Can you elaborate please John

Here's what I think.
1. No sign of break in.
2. Tracker dogs tracking to the car park opposite the secondary reception.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Here's what I think.
1. No sign of break in.
2. Tracker dogs tracking to the car park opposite the secondary reception.

What signs of a break in would you expect to see in an unlocked apartment?

[Robittybob1]

What signs of a break in would you expect to see in an unlocked apartment?

With the front door being so secluded I think most intruders would target the front door rather than the very visible patio door side of the building. 
The front door was "locked from the outside and needed a key to close behind, so unless the intruder went in and ot the patio door, it didn't happen.  Unless the intruder had a key.  Using a key is the ultimate of course for a "no break in crime".

[xtina]

Then we have...amarals words..

e. Eddie alerts that the car key and the boot had been in contact with a dead body.


It's absolute rubbish...his theory is not based on evidence...it's based on lies


Then we have...

27.23 – The dogs’ reaction is revealing. These dogs have never failed in over 200 case


More rubbish

Dogs don't lie.......

As for his theory ...based on lies ...you are right there...

that is why he called it the truth of the lie.....

He believed ....and still does....there was no abduction....

the book is still there ....for all to read...

not dumped in a rubbish bin..........

[Brietta]

With the front door being so secluded I think most intruders would target the front door rather than the very visible patio door side of the building. 
The front door was "locked from the outside and needed a key to close behind, so unless the intruder went in and ot the patio door, it didn't happen.  Unless the intruder had a key.  Using a key is the ultimate of course for a "no break in crime".

Celis' father reported the girl missing after finding she was not in her bedroom. Christopher Matthew Clements, 36, was charged Saturday in Tuscon, Arizona.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-charged-killing-2-arizona-girls-who-went-missing-n909906


Isabel Celis was allegedly removed from her home by person/s unknown.  It will be interesting to find out how the man facing charges for her murder gained access to her.
Was it through her bedroom window ... or had he acquired a key?

[faithlilly]

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The request of the PJ was the result of more than two years of reanalysis of the process carried out by a team from PJ do Porto, created in March 2011. A group of four inspectors led by research coordinator Helena Monteiro - who never contacted the inquiry, thus avoiding any contamination in the assessment - will have identified witnesses who were never questioned while the proceedings were in progress, by July 2008.

This is confirmed in a statement released Thursday by the PJ. "This work of reanalysis, which took place during the last two and a half years, allowed us to know new evidence that, by imposing the continuation of the investigation, fulfills the requirements ... for the reopening of the investigation," reads the note. The PJ goes on to point out that, in common with all cases of missing children, despite the formal closure of the inquiry, "he continued to be attentive to any information that would make it possible to know the whereabouts of Madeleine McCann, the circumstances in which their disappearance and the identity of their author (s) ".

Investigation centered on the rapture thesis
The PÚBLICO knows that the members of PJ do Porto have already visited the Algarve several times to gather elements and carry out informal investigations that will support the need to reopen the case. The reopening of the inquiry is the only way for the PJ to formally inquire these witnesses.

The reanalysis of the case returns to focus the investigation on the kidnapping thesis, the main line followed by Scotland Yard, who also opened an investigation into the disappearance of Maddie. The PJ do Porto team was convinced of this thesis in view of the careful observation of all the information in the process.

PJ's source made it clear to PÚBLICO that the request for the reopening of the proceedings is the result of the work of the Oporto team and not of elements collected by Scotland Yard, who also opened an investigation into the disappearance of Maddie .

https://www.publico.pt/2013/10/24/sociedade/noticia/ministerio-publico-reabre-processo-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie-1610207

Again where does it say anything about a ‘pre planned abduction ‘ ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

With the front door being so secluded I think most intruders would target the front door rather than the very visible patio door side of the building. 
The front door was "locked from the outside and needed a key to close behind, so unless the intruder went in and ot the patio door, it didn't happen.  Unless the intruder had a key.  Using a key is the ultimate of course for a "no break in crime".

I think most intruders would use the path of least resistance, as provided by an unlocked door, but hey, what do I know?

[Lace]

Dogs don't lie.......

As for his theory ...based on lies ...you are right there...

that is why he called it the truth of the lie.....

He believed ....and still does....there was no abduction....

the book is still there ....for all to read...

not dumped in a rubbish bin..........

A dog will bark at what it has been trained to bark for,  with Eddie it was pig and blood.   A cadaver dog will also bark if there is a scent of blood that was on an article that had been taken away.   

Amaral took the bark of dogs as confirmation Madeleine died,  he also took the DNA results as confirmation that Madeleine had died.   Wrong conclusion. IMO