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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #90 on: October 16, 2018, 06:21:53 PM »
There was a case recently of a young man whose body was presumed to have been carried in a garbage truck to the tip and buried.  It happened within the last couple of years or so.  I believe the tip was extensively searched but no body was discovered, though the police are adamant that’s where he ended up.  I believe his family have accepted this the most likely explanation for his disappearance.  Given that the police couldn’t find a grown man in landfill a year or two after his disappearance, what is the likelihood of being able to find a small girl’s body buried 11 years hence?  And what could the body tell the police to help them secure a conviction against the McCanns anyway?

I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Stranger and more unlikely things have happened.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #91 on: October 16, 2018, 06:25:30 PM »
Crikey!  Who was that?
Crikey!  Your short term memory appears to be failing you.

ME:  What further avenues of investigation are left for thr PJ to explore vis-a-vis the McCanns?  Which stones did the original PJ investigation leave unturned?

YOU: The wheelie bin one, perchance?

Hence why we’re now having a discussion about cooking methods and mummified guacamole.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #92 on: October 16, 2018, 06:28:26 PM »
I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Stranger and more unlikely things have happened.
So the questions remain - given that it shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand, what efforts have the PJ made to find Madeleine’s body in landfill and what clues pointing to McCann involvement would an eleven year old corpse burried under tons of landfill possibly reveal?

Rhetorical of course, not expecting even the smartest arse to know the answers to these questions.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #93 on: October 16, 2018, 06:32:17 PM »
So the questions remain - given that it shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand, what efforts have the PJ made to find Madeleine’s body in landfill and what clues pointing to McCann involvement would an eleven year old corpse burried under tons of landfill possibly reveal?

Rhetorical of course, not expecting even the smartest arse to know the answers to these questions.

Then why bother posting it?

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Offline Sunny

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #94 on: October 16, 2018, 06:34:29 PM »
So the questions remain - given that it shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand, what efforts have the PJ made to find Madeleine’s body in landfill and what clues pointing to McCann involvement would an eleven year old corpse burried under tons of landfill possibly reveal?

Rhetorical of course, not expecting even the smartest arse to know the answers to these questions.

Seeing as they have been able to ascertain what these pharaohs died from

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150303-pharaoh-senebkay-forensic-skeleton-abydos-egypt-archaeology/

And this one

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/9752002/Pharaohs-murder-riddle-solved-after-3000-years.html

They died over 3000 years ago,, so you never know VS.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #95 on: October 16, 2018, 06:36:09 PM »
Yes I am aware of that, however someone else on this thread suggested that the PJ would be looking for her body in the landfill in order to find evidence against the McCanns, which incidentally is what this thread is about.
Cobblers, I never did.
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Offline Sunny

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #96 on: October 16, 2018, 06:38:58 PM »
@)(++(* OK.  They would follow it all the way to a great big landfill and then what?  Dig up 11 years of garbage in the vain hope of finding a few bones which would reveal what about the McCanns’ alleged involvement?

That would be you then VS.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #97 on: October 16, 2018, 06:45:46 PM »

Then why bother posting it?
Because I can.  8(>((
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #98 on: October 16, 2018, 06:47:58 PM »
Cobblers, I never did.
What does “follow the wheelie bin trail” mean and how would this help amass evidence against the McCanns, or are you just going to refuse to shed any further light on your thought processes as usual?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #99 on: October 16, 2018, 06:48:49 PM »
Sous Vide involves an airtight bag with no water inside... Please correct your post according ly
Cooked in a water bath of some sort.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #100 on: October 16, 2018, 06:53:46 PM »
I think not


Sous-vide cooking
Sous-vide (/suːˈviːd/; French for "under vacuum")[1] is a method of cooking in which food is placed in a plastic pouch or a glass jar and cooked in a water bath or steam environment for longer than normal cooking times (usually 1 to 7 hours, up to 48 or more in some cases) at an accurately regulated temperature. The temperature is much lower than normally used for cooking, typically around 55 to 60 °C (131 to 140 °F) for meat, higher for vegetables. The intent is to cook the item evenly, ensuring that the inside is properly cooked without overcooking the outside, and to retain moisture.

The point I was originally making was that if flesh is exposed to temperatures of 55 degrees for long enough it will cook.
What I've discovered is that DNA is destroyed by higher temperatures.  It seems like the DNA testing could still be done on Sous Vide cooked meat cooked at temperatures below 70 degrees Celcius.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #101 on: October 16, 2018, 06:57:14 PM »
The point I was originally making was that if flesh is exposed to temperatures of 55 degrees for long enough it will cook.
What I've discovered is that DNA is destroyed by higher temperatures.  It seems like the DNA testing could still be done on Sous Vide cooked meat cooked at temperatures below 70 degrees Celcius.

Steak cooked for 45 mins at 50 deg.. Then throw it on the barbie.... The collagen certainly  breaks down at this temp

Offline Sunny

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #102 on: October 16, 2018, 07:02:00 PM »
Steak cooked for 45 mins at 50 deg.. Then throw it on the barbie.... The collagen certainly  breaks down at this temp

I can see why you say you post here for fun because it can't be for any other reason.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #103 on: October 16, 2018, 07:11:02 PM »
I can see why you say you post here for fun because it can't be for any other reason.
Admit it you know nothing about low temp cooking

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: What routes are left to investigate re: the McCanns?
« Reply #104 on: October 16, 2018, 07:11:47 PM »
That would be you then VS.
And the reply to my post from SIL tends to suggest that that is exactly what he meant, unless you can discern another meaning from this:

“The exercise would accurately assess the probability thereof”
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