Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So what we're landing on here is because they didn't get one, they're rubbish anyway.
Maybe they didn't get one because they didn't want to hear the kids whinging all night?

Maybe, or maybe they knew that they simply don’t work very well outdoors, and that regular checks though more effort are usually more reliable. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

That is a definition of struggling.

Care to have another go?

No,  I am not struggling, and you are attacking me for no reason.

[ShiningInLuz]

No,  I am not struggling, and you are attacking me for no reason.

Eeek.  Wheels came off the bus.

Report me.

[The General]

Maybe, or maybe they knew that they simply don’t work very well outdoors, and that regular checks though more effort are usually more reliable.

Equally, locking the back door would ensure reliability.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Equally, locking the back door would ensure reliability.

Not really.  Locking thr back door may reduce risk but not provide surety about anything.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Eeek.  Wheels came off the bus.

Report me.

It’s really not worth the effort. 

[The General]

Not really.  Locking thr back door may reduce risk but not provide surety about anything.

Of course it would. It would make it much harder for Jimmy to get in. It might even deter Jimmy altogether.
An open door, however, is Merry Christmas, Jimbo*


*if Jimmy exists

[The General]

It would provide surety that it reduced the risk, wouldn’t it?

Of course it would. The extent some supporters will compromise themselves to defend or excuse this litany of deplorable decisions amuses me.
Simple risk assessment. You're not eliminating the risk, you're mitigating it - lock the door, ffs. If you don't, then you don't mitigate risk at all - and we're back to acts or omissions of a reasonable person.

[Robittybob1]

It was abject stupidity. Any one of the children could have been sick and choked or succumbed to smoke inhalation following a house fire.  You never ever leave young children alone for any more than a few minutes. At least David Payne had the forethought to bring a child monitor with him.

Can you hear a child choking over a baby monitor?   You'd need one monitor per child to be really safe IMO.  And then your ear would have to be glued to it all the time.

[Mr Gray]

Of course it would. The extent some supporters will compromise themselves to defend or excuse this litany of deplorable decisions amuses me.
Simple risk assessment. You're not eliminating the risk, you're mitigating it - lock the door, ffs. If you don't, then you don't mitigate risk at all - and we're back to acts or omissions of a reasonable person.

they were wrong to do what they did....I wouldnt do it...but i understand why they did it

[The General]

Can you hear a child choking over a baby monitor?   You'd need one monitor per child to be really safe IMO.  And then your ear would have to be glued to it all the time.

Are we saying that a baby monitor is useless? What was Payne thinking? Idiot.

[G-Unit]

It was abject stupidity. Any one of the children could have been sick and choked or succumbed to smoke inhalation following a house fire.  You never ever leave young children alone for any more than a few minutes. At least David Payne had the forethought to bring a child monitor with him.

It seems plenty of people do it; goodness knows what else goes on. It was DP's fault they were all running up and down, but he didn't have to do it. Although Gerry thought he did on Wednesday for some reason.

[The General]

they were wrong to do what they did....I wouldnt do it...but i understand why they did it

I do mate, so they didn't have to walk all the way round to the front.
They must have been gutted when they found the patio door only locked from the inside.

[Mr Gray]

I do mate, so they didn't have to walk all the way round to the front.
They must have been gutted when they found the patio door only locked from the inside.

I dont want to get into pointless discussions so just take thsi as my opinion....they said early on that he raeson they didnt use the front door was because it was noisy and could have woken the children

[The General]

I dont want to get into pointless discussions so just take thsi as my opinion....they said early on that he raeson they didnt use the front door was because it was noisy and could have woken the children

I reckon my reason is the reason.