New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.

[Robittybob1]

John Fernie mentioned 17 times on this page http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682461/December%2026%20Before%20Noon

[Robittybob1]

What I find is there are a lot of presumptions are being made.

Patsy could have rang the Whites and the Fernies but who did she talk to?   There was nothing stopping the perpetrators ringing the Fernies before Patsy did, especially if the perpetrators know that John Fernie is John Ramsey's best friend.

Here is another presumption being made by a LE officer covered on https://www.disboards.com/threads/jonbenet-ramsey-a-question-for-those-who-follow-this-story.3192257/page-4, it says:

"Thomas provides a very similar account: "In the basement he also came to the white door at the far end of the that was closed and secured at the top by the wooden block on a screw. French was looking for exit points from the house and the door obviously was not one. No one could have gone through that door, closed it behind them, and locked it on the opposite side by turning the wooden latch, so he did not open it." (Thomas 2000:22-23).

The officer should have only made a conclusion like  if he had made a detailed study of the wooden block.  How could he be certain there was no way the block could not turned from within the room?

[Robittybob1]

It is horrible when large chunks of doubt hit you. 

But I promise those that read the entire thread and go to the links provided, I will do my best to validate every point I make.  That means a lot of work is required on my part.

Thank you all for reading the thread.

It is horrible when large chunks of despair hits you.  (Studying the in and outs of John Fernie nearly made me give up again.)
But I promise those that read the entire thread and go to the links provided, I will do my best to validate every point I make.  That means a lot of work is required on my part.

Thank you all for reading the thread.

[Robittybob1]

I'm struggling with the John Fernie timeline, struggling to understand which glass door he read the ransom note through, struggling to understand who would put the ransom note down on the floor in front of a door, struggling to understand when the butler kitchen door was found open.
Those 4 issues are somewhat connected IMO and if my theory is correct they all have to be compatible with the theory. 

Patsy says she rang the Whites and the Fernies.   So do we know who answered the call in each case?  Who rang the minister?

"7:13 AM | Rev. Hoverstock Arrived. Reverend Rol Hoverstock arrived at the residence (Steve Thomas notes). Rev. Hoverstock from St. John's Episcopalian Church arrives at Ramsey house just before Burke left to go to White's house (Schiller 1999a:45); the search warrant affidavit states the pastor arrived "shortly after the note was found" (Byfield 1997:1). However, acandyrose.com gives Hoverstock's arrival time as 7:00 AM without providing documentation/source." http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682461/December%2026%20Before%20Noon

"and later by the Ramseys' minister, Father Rol Hoverstock"

Why would there be a dispute as to when the 911 call was made?  "5:52 AM Patsy Ramsey Made 911 Call. John told Patsy to call police; 911 call logged at 5:52 AM (Schiller 1999a:78). The Daily Camera places this call at 5:45 AM, as does Bardach (1997)." https://www.disboards.com/threads/jonbenet-ramsey-a-question-for-those-who-follow-this-story.3192257/page-4

[Robittybob1]

Vanity Fair Article,
Who Killed JonBenet?
September 16, 1997
by Ann Louise Bardach

http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/09161997vanityfair.htm

"John Ramsey's children from his first marriage, Melinda, 25, and John Andrew, 21, along with Melinda's boyfriend, Stewart Long, arrived at the Ramsey house at 7:55 P.M. on December 26. Ramsey ran to the curb to meet them. Long ,a med-school graduate, told police that Ramsey had said that JonBenet had gone to heaven," and that he had found her body at 11:00 A.M., although, according to police reports, he found the body at 1 in the afternoon. The following day, investigators videotaped an interview with John Andrew, at the conclusion of which they asked him what he thought an appropriate punishment would be for the person that committed this crime. After a long pause he said, "Forgiveness." Incredulous, the detectives went into the brutality of his half-sister's murder and asked him to reconsider his answer. Another silence ensued, then he said again, "Forgiveness." (John Andrew Ramsey and Long declined to comment)"

7:55 PM seems rather late!

"Forgiveness." (John Andrew Ramsey and Long declined to comment)"  I wonder what Melinda would consider an appropriate punishment?

[Robittybob1]

Links to the floor plans http://www.wehaveyourdaughter.net/evidence-1

I can't see two stairways out of the basement.  (only 1 staircase but it might split at the landing.)
Yet the butler pantry appears to have two sets of stairs one going to the first floor and the other does it go down to the basement?

Looking at Google images of the Butler pantry both stair cases are up.  One goes up to the first floor but the other end it may go up to a toilet and wash room that is on the plans but doesn't show any access that I can see on the plans. There is a gap in the wall on the basement plan.

In the video done by Lou Smit he takes this short cut on video.

As I say later (copied from below): "The two sets joined into one hallway. In this video made by Lou Smit starting at 12:12 through 14:01 you can see how they could get from the basement to the Butler kitchen without being seen. At 17:00 he video's the door to the basement and stairs. Also note the Butler Kitchen cannot be seen from the Kitchen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q8YkikAoSk If an intruder, it would make sense why the Butler Door was left open. They didn’t want to close it possibly alerting the Ramseys of their departure."


It is possible for someone to leave the basement at anytime that morning "as they could get from the basement to the Butler kitchen without being seen".

https://youtu.be/2q8YkikAoSk?t=752  follow video from here."

[Robittybob1]

[Many posts have been amended, therefore to get a full understanding of the theory try reading from the beginning again sometime.]

[Robittybob1]

From https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/a7djoe/10_days_of_jonbenetthe_open_butler_door/

"People who observed the Open Butler Door;

When Fernie (JF) arrived after 6:00 AM he said the Butler door was ajar approximately 12 inches."

That confuses me ATM as others have made the claim that the door he (JF) read the ransom note through was the butler kitchen door.

[Robittybob1]

From https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/a7djoe/10_days_of_jonbenetthe_open_butler_door/
"Scott Gibbons a next door neighbor reported some strange goings on at around midnight in the Butler Kitchen;

PMPT Page 76sb "At about midnight, Scott Gibbons, a neighbor, looked out his kitchen window toward the Ramseys' house and saw a light on in the kitchen area.

ST Page 41 A neighbor to the north would say that the butler kitchen lights were on around midnight and considered that unusual since it was the first time he had noticed that light being on in the Ramsey home.

Scott Gibbons also told Officers that around 8:00AM he noticed the Butler Door open/ajar."

I have no reason to refute these observations of the neighbour Scott Gibbons.

[Robittybob1]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57868571f7e0ab31aff0d29f/t/57aa31bb29687fc245f9610c/1470771645683/TS-3+C.jpg 

If the patio door Fernie looked through is the one alongside "John's study"   it is the one in this crime scene photo. 

Why would anyone describe that door as the "patio door"?


http://www.acandyrose.com/093PatioSouthSide.jpg

[Robittybob1]

The bulter pantry area has two stairs leading into it.  If you come in from the outside and turn to the right you take the stairs that lead to the hall of the first floor (main floor).  If you take the stairs to the left you go into a wash room attached to a lavatory.  That washroom area is also accessible from the staircase leading to the basement.  It is therefore possible to go  from the basement  to the Butler Pantry without going through any rooms on the main floor.

Main floor floor plan

Basement floor plan

[Robittybob1]

Finally I might be able to make sense of the video taken by Lou Smit mentioned here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/a7djoe/10_days_of_jonbenetthe_open_butler_door/
"Who Opened the Butler Door?

Mark Beckner’s explanation for the Butler Door being open was because Forensics had opened it. The problem with this is they hadn’t arrived at 6:00 in the morning. I don’t think they arrived until later that morning or afternoon. We do know the door was open at 6-ish in the morning and still open at 8:00AM according to the neighbor.

Kids? To be fair in his 1998 interview with Lou he stated that occasionally he had found the door open. There wasn’t anything wrong with the door but when kids were over they would leave doors open and unlocked. Kids going in and out to play, if you have kids you can understand how this could happen. On the 25th there were kids at the house and it is plausible they went out the Butler Door that morning. It is also plausible the door was left open unbeknown to the Ramseys and the Ramseys didn’t check the doors before they left for the Whites as far as I know. However Mr. Gibbons who noticed odd lights in the Butler Kitchen at around midnight did not notice the door open until the morning of the 26th. Here is an image from his house view to the Ramseys.

If kids were responsible and the door was left ajar, it made for an easy access for an Intruder to enter the Ramsey home.

http://www.acandyrose.com/jamesons-photo-JCn3RS.jpg

John? If John checked the doors on the first floor as he said he did, he either did not check the Butler Kitchen or the Butler Door was closed. If it had been opened I believe John would have stated so. This would be evidence of how an Intruder could have entered into the home. If John had opened it to make it look like an Intruder entered via the Butler Door he would definitely tell the Responding Officers. According to John he wasn’t aware of any unlocked doors and windows until his 1998 Interview. He was taken aback by that fact the Butler Door was not only unlocked but open.

DOI (HB) Page 270 John Wrote:

"The investigators spent a great deal of time talking with me about a large diagram of the house on the wall behind me. I later learned that they also used the same diagram with Patsy. I was shocked to see that they had found the butler kitchen door, which led to the outside, open. This was reported by one of our friends when he arrived shortly after six in the morning. I'd never even noticed that open door as we frantically rushed around making phone calls, and yet there on the police diagram of our home was the note: "Door found open."

An Intruder? The Intruder/s may have left the home from the Butler Kitchen. There were two sets of stairs going down to the basement, one from the butler kitchen and one from the front hall. The two sets joined into one hallway. In this video made by Lou Smit starting at 12:12 through 14:01 you can see how they could get from the basement to the Butler kitchen without being seen. At 17:00 he video's the door to the basement and stairs. Also note the Butler Kitchen cannot be seen from the Kitchen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q8YkikAoSk If an intruder, it would make sense why the Butler Door was left open. They didn’t want to close it possibly alerting the Ramseys of their departure."


It is possible for someone to leave the basement at anytime that morning "as they could get from the basement to the Butler kitchen without being seen".

https://youtu.be/2q8YkikAoSk?t=752  follow video from here.

[Robittybob1]

This last bit sounds more like fabrication to me.   https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/a7djoe/10_days_of_jonbenetthe_open_butler_door/

"Adding to this post to for some additional corrections; In a report Fernie said he went around the south side of the house, he wouldn't have seen the Butler Door if he went this route. However Fernie did find the Butler Door open. Thanks to u/mrwonderof he shared this in his book.

"At one point that morning, the time uncertain, but as police were processing the scene, Fernie reported that a draft was coming through the house, and he located the source: the door on the north side of the house by the Butler Pantry was standing open, and he shut it." from "Foreign Faction: Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet?" by A. James Kolar

In Paula Woodwards book:

When John’s friend arrived(John Fernie) at the Ramsey home at 6:01 am he found the butler kitchen door standing open about one foot while it was dark outside and before the evidence team or Det. Arndt arrived. (BPD Report #1-149, BPD Report #1-1315) The time noted was 6 am so it was one of the first things the friend noticed.

So the evidence team had not arrived yet. Kolar gives additional information Fernie noticed it because he felt a draft. Yet the door was still open at 8:00, it could be the evidence team opened it for pictures, re-enacting how Fernie found the door."


The patio door Fernie is supposed to come to first is on the opposite side of this enormous house.  Why does he go to the Butler Pantry door at 6:00 AM.  Total BS IMO.    He can't be rung after 5:55 AM , get dressed, go to the Ramsey's, park car, walk to the patio door, read the note, and get around to the Butler Pantry  all before  6:00 AM!  No way.

[Robittybob1]

In the court transcript of the case "Colorado vs Thomas C. Miller trial June 13, 2001" John Fernie is asked to give evidence.

The transcripts are found at http://www.acandyrose.com/06132001fernietestimony.htm

The page starts off "John Fernie and his wife, Barbara were called by Patsy Ramsey the morning of December 26, 1996 shortly after Patsy called 911 to report JonBenet Ramsey had been kidnapped. "

Yet this is not what is said in the court, on page 4 of the transcript, Mr Fernie is asked the following question:
" ... did you have occasion to come to the Ramsey's house in the early morning hours, I believe Dec. 26th, at the behest of one of the members of the Ramsey family?
Answer "Yes"

So the time of the call is not stipulated and most importantly for the purposes of the new theory is that the member of the Ramsey family who made the call to John is not specified.

http://www.acandyrose.com/06132001fernie-millertrial4.gif

[Robittybob1]

Do you really think John or Patsy Ramsey took the ransom note from the spiral stair case and placed it on the floor close enough to the "patio door" so John Fernie was able to read it upside down through the glass door?

That is something that could easily be tested.  Do a reconstruction of that reading, see if it is possible to read the ransom note through that window.  I have my doubts.

Why does John Fernie's account not make logical sense, seem physically impossible and change depending when he tells the story?