Netflix launches new 8-part documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

[John]

I thought the film portrayed rather well, the very very suspicious way imo, in which they all completely destroyed the crime scene. I never have understood the forensic logic by medically trained professionals who believed their apartment had been burgled and were a child down. I felt it followed the template of Panorama and proceeded to let those whom allege they believe an abduction took place, drown the few critical bits they included out, without challenge. The inclusion that Martin Smith had changed his mind, stripped a good deal of it's credibility imo. I find it difficult to believe that the producers where not aware of Gemma O'Doherty's report. I'm well aware that there those who are satisfied with this production but I'm not one of them. Are you allowed to say crap on here?

Most certainly...  or LIXO in Portuguese if you like.

[Eleanor]

So this is all going now where.  What utter regurgitated crap.

[John]

Yes, there doesn't seem to be mention of it in the Nannys statement? could the PJ have forgotten to write that down as well? mabeez mis translated.... Or maybe just made up by Miss Berry or her dad?

The Smiths changed their story? what really?  Oh.. pity we couldn't hear that from the Smiths.

I don't think the nannys would want to say anything which could have reflected badly on their supervision of the children. 

[Erngath]

So this is all going now where.  What utter regurgitated crap.

It has proved the "crap",( John has just sanctioned the use of this deccriptive language), although I believe its use is still very much frowned on in schools, which has been peddled on CMOMM.
But you already knew it was such.

[Erngath]

I don't think the nannys would want to say anything which could have reflected badly on their supervision of the children.

If Madeleine had fallen into the sea and  may have swallowed any sea water, surely the nannies would have been duty bound to tell her parents incase of any complications.

[John]

I apologise unreservedly. In my opinion you heard exactly what I heard and saw exactly what I saw (the clip of a child in the sea, added for effect). What you didn't do was report the whole of Berry's story. You missed out the bit about Madeleine launchimg herself into the water to rescue his child's hat. I asked you repeatedly to confirm what he said but you ignored me. So I withdraw ny accusation that you didn't listen properly, but because you missed out some important information I am still of the opinion that your reports are not to be trusted.

Davel did admit on the day the documentary was released that he only skim watched the episodes.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10613.msg515685#msg515685

[Mr Gray]

Davel did admit on the day the documentary was released that he only skim watched the episodes.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10613.msg515685#msg515685

for the record

That was on the day... I've watched in more detail now... It was gunit and faith who were misquoting Neil Berry... I haven't misquoted anyone or made one false clain

[John]

If Madeleine had fallen into the sea and  may have swallowed any sea water, surely the nannies would have been duty bound to tell her parents incase of any complications.

One would have thought so but self preservation usually takes precedence.

[Erngath]

One would have thought so but self preservation usually takes precedence.

Then she would.have to have to be thoroughly dried, her hair and clothes dried before being returned.to her parents.
I doubt it very much.
IMO she tried to reach over and grab the.hat, was pulled back and that was it.
The.details are irrelevant.
It just proves the irrelevance and stupidity of the.theory promoted elsewhere.
I don't imagine.you ever put any credence to it.either.

[G-Unit]

Do I sound like Dave Edgar?
Is that a compliment?

Why the need to be so personal?
Just to reassure you that if a pupil of mine had "gone into the sea", there would certainly have been a very detailed report logged

I never suspected for one moment that you would ever believe the nonsense on CMOMM.
I credit you with far more intelligence than to believe such rubbish.

Dave Edgar told Jane Tanner it didn't matter where she, Gerry and Jes were located, what mattered was what she saw. From his viewpoint he was right, because he was looking for an abductor, nothing else. I thnk you;re probably coming at things from the same direction.

Schools and holiday companies are, of course, different things. Mark Warner had a good reputation but were exposed as less than perfect by an uncover BBC journalist posing as a Mark Warner nannyl

 Next, I was asked to supervise the children on the beach. Again, no one had checked if I had any swimming or rescue qualifications.

Even more worrying, I had to take children out on a boat without enough safety gear for all of them. When I raised the issue with my manager, he told me to go ahead with the boat trip anyway.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-526248/The-shocking-truth-daycare-nurseries-creches.html

Finally, as no-one shares CMOMM's theory I wonder why it gets mentioned?

[John]

Then she would.have to have to be thoroughly dried, her hair and clothes dried before being returned.to her parents.
I doubt it very much.
IMO she tried to reach over and grab the.hat, was pulled back and that was it.
The.details are irrelevant.
It just proves the irrelevance and stupidity of the.theory promoted elsewhere.
I don't imagine.you ever put any credence to it.either.

Have you ever been in a small dingy in the sea?  Getting wet is a certainty regardless of whether one goes into the water or not.

Surely these kids would have been in swimming wear anyway?

[Mr Gray]

Dave Edgar told Jane Tanner it didn't matter where she, Gerry and Jes were located, what mattered was what she saw. From his viewpoint he was right, because he was looking for an abductor, nothing else. I thnk you;re probably coming at things from the same direction.

Schools and holiday companies are, of course, different things. Mark Warner had a good reputation but were exposed as less than perfect by an uncover BBC journalist posing as a Mark Warner nannyl

 Next, I was asked to supervise the children on the beach. Again, no one had checked if I had any swimming or rescue qualifications.

Even more worrying, I had to take children out on a boat without enough safety gear for all of them. When I raised the issue with my manager, he told me to go ahead with the boat trip anyway.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-526248/The-shocking-truth-daycare-nurseries-creches.html

Finally, as no-one shares CMOMM's theory I wonder why it gets mentioned?

It's mentioned because people like you refer to it as a good source of information... Its the leading sceptic site...it's good to show how misguided these sceptics are

[John]

Dave Edgar told Jane Tanner it didn't matter where she, Gerry and Jes were located, what mattered was what she saw. From his viewpoint he was right, because he was looking for an abductor, nothing else. I thnk you;re probably coming at things from the same direction.

Schools and holiday companies are, of course, different things. Mark Warner had a good reputation but were exposed as less than perfect by an uncover BBC journalist posing as a Mark Warner nannyl

 Next, I was asked to supervise the children on the beach. Again, no one had checked if I had any swimming or rescue qualifications.

Even more worrying, I had to take children out on a boat without enough safety gear for all of them. When I raised the issue with my manager, he told me to go ahead with the boat trip anyway.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-526248/The-shocking-truth-daycare-nurseries-creches.html

Finally, as no-one shares CMOMM's theory I wonder why it gets mentioned?

Edgar was wrong.  He unreasonably brushed off inconsistences as being inconsequential but then who was paying him?

Now off to watch Part 4.

[Mr Gray]

Very good question and the answer, imo is we shouldn't. Kate McCann is a self confessed liar, why should we believe her and her husband?

We base who and what we believe based on the evidence... Amaral lied in court... That's quite a serious level... Telling kids santas real isn't quite so important

[G-Unit]

Then she would.have to have to be thoroughly dried, her hair and clothes dried before being returned.to her parents.
I doubt it very much.
IMO she tried to reach over and grab the.hat, was pulled back and that was it.
The.details are irrelevant.
It just proves the irrelevance and stupidity of the.theory promoted elsewhere.
I don't imagine.you ever put any credence to it.either.

This is how Netflix illustrated Berry's narrative so they seem to think he meant Madeleine went overboard;