Netflix launches new 8-part documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

[Tortuga]

Here's a few quotes from an ex met detective that pretty much describe it. And I stand by what I said, whether I am misquoted or not.

“The question is do you treat it like a crime scene that needs to be preserved right from the start or is the most likely explanation that she wandered off? The Portuguese police were widely criticised for not sealing off the scene, making it a crime scene.

“But if there is a chance the missing girl could be wandering around lost in the immediate area, then that rightly takes priority. You are prioritising searching the immediate area rather than sealing off the scene.

“If there is sign of a violent struggle or forced entry then it would be different, but that wasn’t the case with Madeleine’s disappearance.

“If there was sign of forced entry, then your thinking starts going down the line of crime rather than just a missing person. But in the absence of any evidence your natural thought is she has wandered off.

“You think, ‘Let’s start looking for her’, rather than thinking of anything as sinister as abduction.

“That would have been the call for the uniformed officers who were first on the scene at the Ocean Club.

“Once she was not found in the immediate area then I would have asked the officers to look for evidence of a crime.

“I can well imagine that the Portuguese police’s initial thoughts were that they were going to find the little girl wandering around in her pyjamas no further than half a mile from the apartment.

“When the searches have proved fruitless I would want to talk to the parents.

“Very quickly there should have been the realisation that this was a crime rather than something more innocent. That should have been realised within 30 minutes, but in Madeleine’s case it clearly wasn’t realised all that quickly."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590

[faithlilly]

I agree with everything you say.  But, just how naive was she?  This wasn't the first time that The PJ had done this.  How many innocent people finished up convicted by the likes of her believing that they were privileged to receive "True" information by dint of corrupt PJ Officers breaking the sacrosanct Secrecy Laws?

She was used, but she is far from blameless.

I absolutely agree with that Eleanor. Long after the files had been released and when she must have known she had been sold a pup she did the ‘ask the dogs’ interview with the parents and certainly went, as Brietta puts it, for the jugular then.

[niklasericson]

Speaking about Jensen.
Here is a funny coincidence
Kate received a 15 sec phone call from the Swansea area at 11:21 on May 2.
Jane Jensen made a 52 sec phone call to this Swansea number at 14:01 the same day.

[faithlilly]

I've watched two parts of the Netflix documentary so far.   Can't believe Amaral saying that he told the McCann's he would do everything he could to find their daughter.   Kate said the first time they met him was at court.


Also the questioning of Murat,  he said he wasn't functioning afterwards,  found it hard to string a sentence together, curled up in a chair when he got home.    Imagine what it was like for Kate,  and some wonder why she refused to answer those questions,  they were trying to frame her. IMO

Amaral has been caught out in lies, Kate has admitted to lying. Tell me why we should believe either of them ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Amaral has been caught out in lies, Kate has admitted to lying. Tell me why we should believe either of them ?

Kate owned up of her own volition, in her own book, to telling a lie, something she said at the time they did not enjoy doing but that needs must to respect judicial secrecy.  When did Amaral EVER admit to lying about anything at all?  He is shameless and barefaced. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Here's a few quotes from an ex met detective that pretty much describe it. And I stand by what I said, whether I am misquoted or not.

“The question is do you treat it like a crime scene that needs to be preserved right from the start or is the most likely explanation that she wandered off? The Portuguese police were widely criticised for not sealing off the scene, making it a crime scene.

“But if there is a chance the missing girl could be wandering around lost in the immediate area, then that rightly takes priority. You are prioritising searching the immediate area rather than sealing off the scene.

“If there is sign of a violent struggle or forced entry then it would be different, but that wasn’t the case with Madeleine’s disappearance.

“If there was sign of forced entry, then your thinking starts going down the line of crime rather than just a missing person. But in the absence of any evidence your natural thought is she has wandered off.

“You think, ‘Let’s start looking for her’, rather than thinking of anything as sinister as abduction.

“That would have been the call for the uniformed officers who were first on the scene at the Ocean Club.

“Once she was not found in the immediate area then I would have asked the officers to look for evidence of a crime.

“I can well imagine that the Portuguese police’s initial thoughts were that they were going to find the little girl wandering around in her pyjamas no further than half a mile from the apartment.

“When the searches have proved fruitless I would want to talk to the parents.

“Very quickly there should have been the realisation that this was a crime rather than something more innocent. That should have been realised within 30 minutes, but in Madeleine’s case it clearly wasn’t realised all that quickly."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590

I see you are refusing to answer how the investigation would have differed significantly if the apartment had been locked and the parents sleeping.  Oh well.

[Tortuga]

I see you are refusing to answer how the investigation would have differed significantly if the apartment had been locked and the parents sleeping.  Oh well.

I do think we would be having a much different conversation had Madeline been abducted from the locked apartment while the family slept and I am sure the initial investigation would have been carried out in a far different manner.


For a 'Justice' forum you don't half misquote people. Another one goes on ignore.

[faithlilly]

I do think we would be having a much different conversation had Madeline been abducted from the locked apartment while the family slept and I am sure the initial investigation would have been carried out in a far different manner.


For a 'Justice' forum you don't half misquote people. Another one goes on ignore.

Well done. Your experience of this forum will be much enhanced by that one simple act.

[ShiningInLuz]

Jon Clarke says he arrived just as the McCanns were leaving for Potimao. He says he went uo onto the balcony of 5A but didn't go in because 'obviously it would have been a crime scene'. Did he reread what he jad said previously? Obviously not.

 When I arrived at about 11.45am I was firstly able to walk into the apartment, where I introduced myself to the McCanns and told them I would do everything I could to help.
https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2017/05/11/madeleine-mccann-olive-press-editor-talks-first-journalist-scene-10th-anniversary-disappearance/

He also says that there was an announcement to the press that the McCanns were going to make their first appeal late on 4th. I wonder who announced that? Kate McCann gives the impression that it was a spur of the moment decision by Gerry.

Having read this article, I consider it to be replete with errors.

Weren't Gerry and Kate in Portimão by 11.45am to give statements?

Amongst many other issues.

[Eleanor]

Amaral has been caught out in lies, Kate has admitted to lying. Tell me why we should believe either of them ?

Plain Logic tells me that The McCanns couldn't have done any of the things they were accused of.  They simply didn't have the time or resources.

Amaral's ideas got more bizarre as time went by.

[barrier]

I do think we would be having a much different conversation had Madeline been abducted from the locked apartment while the family slept and I am sure the initial investigation would have been carried out in a far different manner.


For a 'Justice' forum you don't half misquote people. Another one goes on ignore.

Learning fast.

[Mr Gray]

Here's a few quotes from an ex met detective that pretty much describe it. And I stand by what I said, whether I am misquoted or not.

“The question is do you treat it like a crime scene that needs to be preserved right from the start or is the most likely explanation that she wandered off? The Portuguese police were widely criticised for not sealing off the scene, making it a crime scene.

“But if there is a chance the missing girl could be wandering around lost in the immediate area, then that rightly takes priority. You are prioritising searching the immediate area rather than sealing off the scene.

“If there is sign of a violent struggle or forced entry then it would be different, but that wasn’t the case with Madeleine’s disappearance.

“If there was sign of forced entry, then your thinking starts going down the line of crime rather than just a missing person. But in the absence of any evidence your natural thought is she has wandered off.

“You think, ‘Let’s start looking for her’, rather than thinking of anything as sinister as abduction.

“That would have been the call for the uniformed officers who were first on the scene at the Ocean Club.

“Once she was not found in the immediate area then I would have asked the officers to look for evidence of a crime.

“I can well imagine that the Portuguese police’s initial thoughts were that they were going to find the little girl wandering around in her pyjamas no further than half a mile from the apartment.

“When the searches have proved fruitless I would want to talk to the parents.

“Very quickly there should have been the realisation that this was a crime rather than something more innocent. That should have been realised within 30 minutes, but in Madeleine’s case it clearly wasn’t realised all that quickly."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/6-errors-madeleine-mccann-detectives-10272590

Let's hope the officer quoted has learnt a lesson... A child missing from her bed... An open window and shutter... A potential crime scene... Police make mistakes unfortunately.. It would not have taken long to secure, the bedroom at least... Plenty of people searching.... Then they only carry out a gross inspection of the bedclothes and instead of bagging them let them be sent to the laundry

[Eleanor]

Well done. Your experience of this forum will be much enhanced by that one simple act.

A bit pointless, don't you think.  You finish up just agreeing with those of like mind.  Where is the discussion in that?

[barrier]

A bit pointless, don't you think.  You finish up just agreeing with those of like mind.  Where is the discussion in that?

Theres been no discussion on here for yonks,its all opinion stated as fact in a lot of cases.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I do think we would be having a much different conversation had Madeline been abducted from the locked apartment while the family slept and I am sure the initial investigation would have been carried out in a far different manner.


For a 'Justice' forum you don't half misquote people. Another one goes on ignore.

This is exactly what you wrote
I do think we would be having a much different conversation had Madeline been abducted from the locked apartment while the family slept and I am sure the initial investigation would have been carried out in a far different manner.

I wrote:

I see you are refusing to answer how the investigation would have differed significantly if the apartment had been locked and the parents sleeping.

You then got in a strop and said I misquoted you.  I'll let others be the judge of that.