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Offline G-Unit

The one and only study carried out which was quoted here shows that false alerts are given due to handler bias...the alerts themselves are not reliable...

Scientists know better than to quote the resuts of a 'one and only study' as proof of anything.
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Offline faithlilly


Perhaps she is trying to disassociate herself from the botched enquiry?

She’s had 11 years to do that. She choose not to as the ‘ask the dogs’ interview proves.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Erngath

Paid for her participation.

I notice you are avoiding answering any of my questions. SF clearly upset Kate on a number of occasions, and when she was at her most vulnerable,  simply to heighten her profile. Do you think she’d baulk at a similarly pragmatic approach this time ?

SF was one of many who upset Kate when she was at her most vulnerable.
Perhaps she had no concern about upsetting Kate
She's had quite some time to reflect and now has publicly expressed her embarrassment.

Perhaps for future career prospects ,trying to dissociate herself from her rather hard nosed,  insensitive younger self?
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Offline faithlilly

SF was one of many who upset Kate when she was at her most vulnerable.
Perhaps she had no concern about upsetting Kate
She's had quite some time to reflect and now has publicly expressed her embarrassment.

Perhaps for future career prospects ,trying to dissociate herself from her rather hard nosed,  insensitive younger self?

I’m sure you’re right. I’m sure she does want to dissociate herself from younger self....especially if there’s money to be made and her profile to be raised.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

In the end she is a journalist.

Absolutely.  She is probably trying to cash in on what she sees coming.  She certainly won't be able to harass The McCanns again.

Offline ShiningInLuz

The forum appears to be particularly busy today with 550 guests viewing at the same time, has something happened to create this interest?
I have had a massive spike in viewing figures on my blog since the Netflix series was released, so I would guess it is simply because viewers want opinions on the 8-parter.
What's up, old man?

Offline Erngath

I’m sure you’re right. I’m sure she does want to dissociate herself from younger self....especially if there’s money to be made and her profile to be raised.


Whatever her motives, it doesn't alter a scintilla the impact of her statements. I M O.
Unless you believe she is lying.

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Offline Mr Gray

Scientists know better than to quote the resuts of a 'one and only study' as proof of anything.

The one and only study shows handler bias to be highly significant... Therefore until further, studies handler bias cannot be ruled out...
You are simply quoting opinion when you say handler bias is not significant... You are, quoting opinion when you say the alerts are reliable... It's all opinion.... Suddenly  you accept opinion... How convenient

Offline faithlilly


Whatever her motives, it doesn't alter a scintilla the impact of her statements. I M O.
Unless you believe she is lying.

I believe that she is pragmatic. If she had voiced the opinion she did in the documentary straight after the release of the files her statements may have had some impact, now not so much. While even us armchair detectives knew in 2008 that the ‘100% DNA’ wasn’t true Sandra ploughed ahead, maligning the parents.

Strangley I don’t remember her categorically saying she thought the McCanns innocent....perhaps she’s still hedging her bets.....just in case.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline ShiningInLuz

The one and only study shows handler bias to be highly significant... Therefore until further, studies handler bias cannot be ruled out...
You are simply quoting opinion when you say handler bias is not significant... You are, quoting opinion when you say the alerts are reliable... It's all opinion.... Suddenly  you accept opinion... How convenient
Do you ever conduct your own practical experiments?

My dog has alerted to two cadavers to date.

The first one I knew about in advance, when signs of life were in evidence, i.e. not dead.  The dog did not alert then.  The day after, Gonçalo alerted, and sure enough, life had expired.

Perhaps a week or so later, Gonçalo was at the wire-mesh fence to our neighbour.  He was barking animatedly.  I went over to see if he was barking at one of the neighbours' many cats.

When I peered through the fence, lo and behold, no cat, but another cadaver.

You need to come up with more than a single scientific study.  My practical experiments suggest you need to approach such studies with extreme caution.

 &^^&*
What's up, old man?

Offline Erngath

I believe that she is pragmatic. If she had voiced the opinion she did in the documentary straight after the release of the files her statements may have had some impact, now not so much. While even us armchair detectives knew in 2008 that the ‘100% DNA’ wasn’t true Sandra ploughed ahead, maligning the parents.

Strangley I don’t remember her categorically saying she thought the McCanns innocent....perhaps she’s still hedging her bets.....just in case.


So you knew she had been lied to by Amaral etc?

I didnt , but then I'm not an  "armchair detective"
I would imagine that many watching that episode were also "gobsmacked" by her  words.
I'm sure it made an impact on many who aren't as familiar with the "facts" as you and many here.
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Offline faithlilly


So you knew she had been lied to by Amaral etc?

I didnt , but then I'm not an  "armchair detective"
I would imagine that many watching that episode were also "gobsmacked" by her  words.
I'm sure it made an impact on many who aren't as familiar with the "facts" as you and many here.

When the files were opened everyone who was interested knew that the ‘100% DNA’ result was a fiction. Why you think Sandra wouldn’t I can’t fathom. As to Amaral being the source of the misinformation, did Sandra say that or is that your interpretation?

I think you are overestimating the impact of Sandra’s words. I think those seeing her for the first time would think that she wasn’t a particularly good journalist to have been taken by her source....and her contrition now rather too little, too late.

BTW did you hear Sandra say that she believed the parents to be innocent?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Do you ever conduct your own practical experiments?

My dog has alerted to two cadavers to date.

The first one I knew about in advance, when signs of life were in evidence, i.e. not dead.  The dog did not alert then.  The day after, Gonçalo alerted, and sure enough, life had expired.

Perhaps a week or so later, Gonçalo was at the wire-mesh fence to our neighbour.  He was barking animatedly.  I went over to see if he was barking at one of the neighbours' many cats.

When I peered through the fence, lo and behold, no cat, but another cadaver.

You need to come up with more than a single scientific study.  My practical experiments suggest you need to approach such studies with extreme caution.

 &^^&*

You dont have a cadaver dog....

Offline G-Unit

The one and only study shows handler bias to be highly significant... Therefore until further, studies handler bias cannot be ruled out...
You are simply quoting opinion when you say handler bias is not significant... You are, quoting opinion when you say the alerts are reliable... It's all opinion.... Suddenly  you accept opinion... How convenient

In my opinion it's dispicable to dredge up any informatiion you can find to use in your mission to try to discredit the best dog trainer and handler in the UK in 2007. I have made my points before and am not interested in engaging in further off topic arguments about issues I have already discussed with you previously.
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Offline Erngath

When the files were opened everyone who was interested knew that the ‘100% DNA’ result was a fiction. Why you think Sandra wouldn’t I can’t fathom. As to Amaral being the source of the misinformation, did Sandra say that or is that your interpretation?

I think you are overestimating the impact of Sandra’s words. I think those seeing her for the first time would think that she wasn’t a particularly good journalist to have been taken by her source....and her contrition now rather too little, too late.

BTW did you hear Sandra say that she believed the parents to be innocent?


And I think you are underestimating the impact of her words.
Did you know that only one page of the report had been translated?
It's never too late to be contrite and IMO that is exactly how she looked.
 Haven't watched all the episodes yet, so I cannot comment on what she now believes.
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