Netflix launches new 8-part documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

[faithlilly]

Do you not believe that public opinion is important or just not important in this case?

I don’t believe public opinion is relevant in solving any crime and surely the need to solve this crime is something we both agree on ?

[Erngath]

I don’t believe public opinion is relevant in solving any crime and surely the need to solve this crime is something we both agree on ?

 
If the public are led to believe that Madeleine's parents are complicit in her disappearance, then I believe that, that could have a detrimental effect on the  investigation.
The police often require the goodwill and help of the public in solving a crime.

[jassi]

If the public are led to believe that Madeleine's parents are complicit in her disappearance, then I believe that, that could have a detrimental effect on the  investigation.
The police often require the goodwill and help of the public in solving a crime.

It would have no effect at all.
The vast majority of people in this country and abroad have absolutely nothing to bring to this case.

IMO

[The General]

Excellent find Brietta... So about 3 mins in the other appts but 110 in 5a... No wonder the dogs didn't alert in the other apartments... They didn't have time to catch their breath..

Probably more to do with the fact that one was a crime scene and the others weren't.
I wouldn't expect much time was spent sniffing the Mini Mart on the corner either.

[Brietta]

From 8.47pm to 9.20pm, the blood detecting dog goes through

AT 9.10pm Keela alerts

110 minutes is obviously a mistake from the incorrect 8.10 time.

The times are as recorded in the files so the timings are entirely down to the PJ or the volunteer translator who in this case is Anna Esse who has taken the trouble to translate the CDs of the files released by the Portuguese from Portuguese to French and from French to English.  What could possibly go wrong with that?

We have all seen the videos ... as did the contributor to Netflix ... there was an inordinately disproportionate amount of time spent by the dogs in areas associated with the McCanns than anywhere else.
The dog and the villa ... the dog and the gymnasium ... and the piece de resistance of the dog and the hire car, where far from the newspaper headlines of 100% Madeleine's DNA being found ~ there actually was none.

[Erngath]

It would have no effect at all.
The vast majority of people in this country and abroad have absolutely nothing to bring to this case.

IMO

It wouldn't take " the vast majority of people", only one person who had been influenced by the negative smearing, not to report something which could be important.

[faithlilly]

If the public are led to believe that Madeleine's parents are complicit in her disappearance, then I believe that, that could have a detrimental effect on the  investigation.
The police often require the goodwill and help of the public in solving a crime.

The police investigating Claudia Lawrence’s disappearance has classified the case as a murder. Do you think that would stop anyone with pertinent information from going to the police ?

[jassi]

It wouldn't take " the vast majority of people", only one person who had been influenced by the negative smearing, not to report something which could be important.

IMO you are clutching at straws.

[faithlilly]

The times are as recorded in the files so the timings are entirely down to the PJ or the volunteer translator who in this case is Anna Esse who has taken the trouble to translate the CDs of the files released by the Portuguese from Portuguese to French and from French to English.  What could possibly go wrong with that?

We have all seen the videos ... as did the contributor to Netflix ... there was an inordinately disproportionate amount of time spent by the dogs in areas associated with the McCanns than anywhere else.
The dog and the villa ... the dog and the gymnasium ... and the piece de resistance of the dog and the hire car, where far from the newspaper headlines of 100% Madeleine's DNA being found ~ there actually was none.

Supporters sneer at the translations done by others yet I have never seen one supporter trying to rectify the situation by doing their own translations.

You ignore what you don’t want to hear. Eddie’s behaviour changed at the doorway of 5a, you hear Grime say that. That is why much more time was spent in 5a. Eddie’s behaviour changes around the Scenic. That is why more time is spent there and I’m not sure what you mean about the gym. As to the DNA, it is an absolute red herring.

[G-Unit]

And I think you are underestimating the impact of her words.
Did you know that only one page of the report had been translated?
It's never too late to be contrite and IMO that is exactly how she looked.
 Haven't watched all the episodes yet, so I cannot comment on what she now believes.

Sometimes knowledge of the PJ Files is very useful. The PJ didn't have the FSS report when they were notified by Bob Small that the McCanns were leaving Portugal on 11th September, nor on 3rd September when Ricardo Paiva told them the PJ were going to interview them before they left.

It was on 4th September that they received an email from Stuart Prior with details of Lowe's findings and opinions. That email was translated and it covered three pages.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm#p10p2617-2623

When the email was translated, by whom or for whom isn't clear. In my opinion it's possiblr that the PJ had only a shortened amateur translation in their possession when they interviewed the McCanns due to lack of time.

[Erngath]

The police investigating Claudia Lawrence’s disappearance has classified the case as a murder. Do you think that would stop anyone with pertinent information from going to the police ?

If her family had been smeared by the police, then perhaps it would.
Having seen again in the Netflix programme, the smear campaign against Madeleine's family and the resulting hate filled comments on public forums, then it is impossible for me not to believe any possibility.

[Eleanor]

Supporters sneer at the translations done by others yet I have never seen one supporter trying to rectify the situation by doing their own translations.

You ignore what you don’t want to hear. Eddie’s behaviour changed at the doorway of 5a, you hear Grime say that. That is why much more time was spent in 5a. Eddie’s behaviour changes around the Scenic. That is why more time is spent there and I’m not sure what you mean about the gym. As to the DNA, it is an absolute red herring.

Eddie was already pulling at his leash as he was taken down the pathway, and some distance from the front door, which was around a corner.
I think he knew he was going to "Work", engendering some excitement.

[Eleanor]

Sometimes knowledge of the PJ Files is very useful. The PJ didn't have the FSS report when they were notified by Bob Small that the McCanns were leaving Portugal on 11th September, nor on 3rd September when Ricardo Paiva told them the PJ were going to interview them before they left.

It was on 4th September that they received an email from Stuart Prior with details of Lowe's findings and opinions. That email was translated and it covered three pages.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm#p10p2617-2623

When the email was translated, by whom or for whom isn't clear. In my opinion it's possiblr that the PJ had only a shortened amateur translation in their possession when they interviewed the McCanns due to lack of time.

Couldn't wait to get in there, before the law changed and The McCanns left.

[G-Unit]

Thus, at the appointed time, the search with the dogs began, covering the following apartments:

5A:

From 8.30pm to 9.20pm, the dogs go through.
8.20pm: The cadaver dog, "marks," the couple's wardrobe area in the bedroom.
8.22pm: The cadaver dog, "marks" an area behind the sofa in the sitting room near the window overlooking the road.
From 8.47pm to 9.20pm, the blood detecting dog goes through.
8.10 (should it be 9.10?) The dog, "marks" an area of floor behind the sofa in the sitting room, near the window overlooking the road.  ~ 110minutes

5B: 9.24 to 9.27pm: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything. ~ 3minutes

5D: 9.29 to 9.34pm: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything. ~ 5minutes

5H : 9.35 to 9.38pm : The cadaver dog did not alert on anything. ~ 3minutes

4G : 9.42 to 9.45pm : The cadaver dog did not alert on anything. ~ 3minutes

Garden belonging to apartment 5A (with access via the balcony and the steps):

9.49 to 10pm: The cadaver dog "marks" an area of the garden immediately below the window. ~ 11minutes

Date: 01 ao? 2007 - 06h00

Inspection of the surrounding areas.

Date: August 1st - 6am

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm



The time spent by the dog inspection team in apartment 5A and the garden are in bold red and is recorded in the files as noted above ...

The time spent in the other apartments is in bold and is also recorded in the files.

There is an obvious difference in the amount of time spent in one apartment as opposed to the total amount of time spent in all the others.

From 8.30pm to 9.20pm, the dogs go through. I make that 50 minutes in total. It doesn't seem correct anyway.

Eddie appears to have been in 5A from 8.10 to 8.22 (12 minutes)

He was then returned to the car and Keela was brought in.

From 8.47pm to 9.20pm, the blood detecting dog goes through.(33 minute)

So 45 minutes rather than the 110 quoted. Most of that time was taken up by Keela's more exact searches, which take more time as she is looking for tiny specks of blood.

[Brietta]

Couldn't wait to get in there, before the law changed and The McCanns left.

I was astounded to learn from Netflix that the caveats attached to the communication from the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham had not been translated for the benefit of the Portuguese investigators.
Resulting in them only getting half of the information they should have.
No wonder they screwed things up.

Snip
"Ultimately when you read through the detail of the DNA you see the absolute red herring it was, but it was a dangerous red herring because I think investigators in Portugal thought this was a smoking gun."  Jim Gamble: former child protection officer.  Netflix Documentary

As a direct result of that slip shod work Kate and Gerry lost their reputation ... they almost lost their liberty ... and Madeleine McCann lost years of investigation of her case.