Author Topic: Netflix launches new 8-part documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  (Read 196709 times)

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Offline Robittybob1

I haven't.
Get the PJ to find the body first.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

1) I haven't ruled it out because anything is possible.

2) Appearances can deceive

3) I could care less
1) Anything??  Even an abductor??  Surely not!!
2) Yes, the McCanns could even actually be innocent of all involvement despite how you perceive them!
3) That’s very obvious.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

If they are actually innocent of all involvement, Mr McCann and his best buddy shouldn't have provided the police with two completely different versions of the last time they allege they seen the missing child alive. Never a good sign imo but I'm sure if definitive evidence emerges that clears them of any involvement they'll be the first to let us all know about it. I'll wait until I see that definitive evidence, if you don't mind.
If their innocent of all involvement, they've only got themselves to blame for how I perceive them. I can't see any apology being required anytime soon.
Mr McCann said he last saw Madeleine on his 9pm check.  Which best buddy contradicts this?
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Offline Mr Gray

If they are actually innocent of all involvement, Mr McCann and his best buddy shouldn't have provided the police with two completely different versions of the last time they allege they seen the missing child alive. Never a good sign imo but I'm sure if definitive evidence emerges that clears them of any involvement they'll be the first to let us all know about it. I'll wait until I see that definitive evidence, if you don't mind.
If their innocent of all involvement, they've only got themselves to blame for how I perceive them. I can't see any apology being required anytime soon.

From the poster who misunderstood what Grime said..... Grime said in his opinion the, alerts, were suggestive of cadaver odour not that they were to cadaver odour.. As you have mistakenly posted

Offline Mr Gray

Mr McCann told police he took two completely different routes and used two completely different entry methods = two completely different versions of the last time he alleges he seen Madeleine alive on his 9pm check. Best buddy doesn't contradict this but he tells police he last seen Madeleine at 5pm and Kate and Gerry were there which changes to 6.30 and only Kate was there. Another two completely different versions of when the best buddy alleges he last seen the missing child alive. Never a good sign imo but I'll be sure to look out for word of this definitive evidence that clears them of any involvement. The two current investigations, haven't released any for consideration. I acknowledge that may well change.

I think the differences are down to the totally appalling way the PJ chose to record their statements

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Mr McCann told police he took two completely different routes and used two completely different entry methods = two completely different versions of the last time he alleges he seen Madeleine alive on his 9pm check. Best buddy doesn't contradict this but he tells police he last seen Madeleine at 5pm and Kate and Gerry were there which changes to 6.30 and only Kate was there. Another two completely different versions of when the best buddy alleges he last seen the missing child alive. Never a good sign imo but I'll be sure to look out for word of this definitive evidence that clears them of any involvement. The two current investigations, haven't released any for consideration. I acknowledge that may well change.
What definitive evidence would clear them of any involvement in your book?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

A conviction of someone else responsible for Madeleine's disappearance would be pretty definitive evidence they weren't involved imo.
Wouldn’t that probsbly be a stitch up job by the High-Ups to protect the McCanns though?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

I don't follow you. I'll give you the opportunity to expand if you like?
Sure.  If someone else was found guilty of the crime then don’t you think that would be likely to be some sort of cover up perpetuated by the establishment to protect the McCanns and the police’s own reputation?  The poor b....r they put away for it would probably be some local simpleton paedo patsy or some such.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

I think personally you are travelling into the realms of fantasy with that one. I find it hard to believe that the establishment would be capable of manufacturing compelling evidence that was strong enough to convict any innocent individual. I find it even more unlikely given any defence solicitor will have Kate, Gerry and all their chums in that witness box to testify on behalf of the defence quicker than you could say, where did that abductor go.
So no, I don't think any conviction outwith the McCanns would be a cover up perpetuated by the establishment to protect the McCanns. Is that what you think?
Of course it’s not what I think, but I’m pretty confident it’s what many people who are convinced the parents are guilty would think in such an eventuality.  If and when the case is finally shelved and the Met once again reiterate that they hsve been pusuing the stranger abduction theory but reached a dead end then a conspiracy theory along these lines will be rife amongst the sceptics, mark my words.
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Offline Wonderfulspam



No mention in the Netflix doc of that mystery couple who entered 5a & soothed Maddie.


Mystery couple seen going into McCanns’ flat on night before sobbing Madeleine disappeared

SCOTLAND YARD detectives are trying to find a middle-aged couple said to have entered Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment to comfort her because she was crying, we can reveal today.

By JAMES MURRAY
PUBLISHED: 00:00, Sun, May 19, 2013

It is believed they entered the bedroom on May 2, 2007, the evening before Madeleine disappeared from the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve.

The tip-off was given by two key witnesses who were reinterviewed as part of the Yard’s two-year, £4.5million  investigation.

It is already known that Pamela Fenn, who lived directly above apartment 5a, heard a child, believed to be Madeleine, crying for about an hour on the evening of May 2.

She was so concerned she rang a friend in the village to ask what to do and considered ringing Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria.

At the time, Madeleine’s mother Kate and father Gerry were dining with friends at a tapas bar some 50 yards from the apartment.

A source said: “Police were astonished when this new information came to light. Officers spoke to other key witnesses to discover more about the middle-aged couple.

“Apparently they were concerned about the crying and went to see if they could comfort the girl.”

Pamela Fenn has since died, so police have been speaking to other people who were staying in the same apartments.

Our revelation comes as Scotland Yard detectives say there are potentially 20 suspects they want to speak to. Retiring Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, head of the Yard’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command, urged Portuguese authorities to investigate the new leads.

He said: “There are a lot of people of interest. There are people who could be properly explored further, if only to be eliminated.”

Scotland Yard officers have been interviewing witnesses here for months, although the public prosecutor in Portugal has decided against reopening the investigation.

Despite claims of a “Mexican stand off” between Portuguese police and Yard officers, the Sunday Express understands there is in fact very good co-operation between both squads.

Pedro de Carmo, deputy national leader of the PJ, said yesterday: “We still co-operate with their team. There are good communications.”

Portuguese officers are very impressed with the diligence of the Met investigation and have been impressed with their interviews with witnesses in Britain.

We can confirm that a couple staying in the same block as apartment 5a were interviewed last February.

They were in their apartment on the night Madeleine vanished. Afterwards they wrote an account of what they saw but were never formally interviewed by Portuguese detectives.

They had been at a restaurant earlier in the evening and left at about 9pm.

On their way home they walked directly past the entrance to the Ocean Club pool, where the “Tapas 7” (the name given to the friends eating with the McCanns on the night Madeleine disappeared) were enjoying the meal with Kate and Gerry.

They walked past apartment 5a but noticed nothing untoward. The woman said in her statement: “I stood on the balcony at about 9.15 with a whisky.

“I saw people eating at the tapas bar and children in the play area. We went to bed at 10pm-ish. We were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted. The friend asked if we had a computer so they could get the media involved in the search.

“Two police were on the corner of our block, one lady said that off-duty police had come and were searching. We did see single men on mobiles while we were out who could have been police.”

The couple took part in the search for Madeleine and then returned to their apartment.

The woman’s statement continues: “We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g b........s have taken her’. Finally, at around 4am, we said: ‘Is it OK if we go to bed?’ We directed this comment towards a man in a white shirt and jeans, who seemed to be authoritative.”

At the couple’s home here, two Yard officers questioned them separately for three hours and got them to sign lengthy statements. They further interviewed them this year to double check their information.

The couple are key because at precisely 9.15pm on May 3, Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, said she left the tapas bar and walked past Gerry, who was talking to holidaymaker Jez Wilkins outside apartment 5a.

Neither Gerry nor Kate said they saw Jane. She reported that she had seen a man carrying a child, believed to be Madeleine, walking across the top of the road.

At the time she had not realised the significance. Officers asked the couple if they saw Jane, Gerry or Jez but they insist they did not.

The Sunday Express has visited the couple’s holiday apartment, which looks over the tapas bar. From its balcony you can see directly into the garden of apartment 5a.

The woman said: “We have one of the best views of the whole block. We are sure of the timings. If we had seen anyone we would have remembered.

“We will continue to answer the Yard’s questions. We have given our fingerprints and DNA. We were happy to assist. They should be left to get on with their inquiries.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared
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Offline Erngath

Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline G-Unit

Of course it’s not what I think, but I’m pretty confident it’s what many people who are convinced the parents are guilty would think in such an eventuality.  If and when the case is finally shelved and the Met once again reiterate that they hsve been pusuing the stranger abduction theory but reached a dead end then a conspiracy theory along these lines will be rife amongst the sceptics, mark my words.

It won't be a surprise if OG say they have been investigating the stranger abduction theory; that was their remit.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

It won't be a surprise if OG say they have been investigating the stranger abduction theory; that was their remit.
You may not be aware of this but some sceptics actually believe that Operation Grange have spent the last 8 years investigating the McCanns, crazy I know!
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Offline Erngath

This sceptic is starting to believe that whatever they were investigating over the eight years, they might not have been very good at it.

But as yet.
And it has been a lengthy investigation.
No indicaion  yet that Madeleine's parents are involved in her disappearance.
I'm sure you will agree.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

This sceptic is starting to believe that whatever they were investigating over the eight years, they might not have been very good at it.
Never mind, I’m sure the PJ are getting ready to pounce on the McCanns, any day now...  @)(++(*
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