Netflix launches new 8-part documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

[Miss Taken Identity]

It's easy to criticise the Portuguese police with hindsight. What I don't know is if any other police force would have reacted as quickly and as comprehensively as he's recommending in the same circumstances.

I think the confusion was, perhaps deliberate, they were looking for a missing child that may have wandered, not an 'abducted' one.   Ther was no seperating of the tapas /parents  to interview-they managed to run up a collaberated time line- when was this done exactly?

IF as they claim they were checking every 20/30 minutes they had no need to write up a time line now did they.

left apartment at 8.00
  1st check 8.30
second check 9.00
third check 9.30
next check 10.00


 ...and IF it was that simple why all the erm um yeah like you know erm um yeah err um err um um um  you know.
they all became very bloody forgetful- in order for the police to assist them with their memory they offered a  walk through... this was declined. In my opinion  it was declined as it would show up a huge hole in the story they so ridgidly stuck to.

There is no independant evidence of the checking at all.

[Lace]

I think the confusion was, perhaps deliberate, they were looking for a missing child that may have wandered, not an 'abducted' one.   Ther was no seperating of the tapas /parents  to interview-they managed to run up a collaberated time line- when was this done exactly?

IF as they claim they were checking every 20/30 minutes they had no need to write up a time line now did they.

left apartment at 8.00
  1st check 8.30
second check 9.00
third check 9.30
next check 10.00


 ...and IF it was that simple why all the erm um yeah like you know erm um yeah err um err um um um  you know.
they all became very bloody forgetful- in order for the police to assist them with their memory they offered a  walk through... this was declined. In my opinion  it was declined as it would show up a huge hole in the story they so ridgidly stuck to.

There is no independant evidence of the checking at all.

The McCann's didn't write the timeline.   The timeline showed the comings and goings of them all.   Whether or not they ermed and ahed is of no importance either,  most people would come across like that if they were taped or every word was written down,  people don't realise they are doing it.   The waiters noticed the checking system.

[G-Unit]

The McCann's didn't write the timeline.   The timeline showed the comings and goings of them all.   Whether or not they ermed and ahed is of no importance either,  most people would come across like that if they were taped or every word was written down,  people don't realise they are doing it.   The waiters noticed the checking system.

There is no independent corroberation of the checking. The Tapas staff certainly didn't confirm anything except someone being missng when their meal was ready. Who cleared off for 30 minutes, I wonder?

[Brietta]

There is no independent corroberation of the checking. The Tapas staff certainly didn't confirm anything except someone being missng when their meal was ready. Who cleared off for 30 minutes, I wonder?

 
Wonder why the PJ didn't pick up on that at the time?  More utter incompetence ??

[Robittybob1]

Mark Rowley gives a ringing endorsement of the first investigation.

Firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the
original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was
all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of
investigation.

Well you missed my point entirely.  Look have you listened to the commentary on the link?  If you haven't you are not really qualified to comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qADoUpzEOu8&feature=youtu.be

The ex-detective seems to be saying the area of the crime scene was set too small IMO.

[G-Unit]

 
Wonder why the PJ didn't pick up on that at the time?  More utter incompetence ??

I expect it was noticed but the police can't arrest people because no-one corroberates their story, afaik.

[Brietta]

I expect it was noticed but the police can't arrest people because no-one corroberates their story, afaik.

It will be mentioned in the files then ... I wonder whereabouts ... any ideas?

[G-Unit]

It will be mentioned in the files then ... I wonder whereabouts ... any ideas?

We know that the checks weren't corroberated; that's why the reconstitution was required.

[Vertigo Swirl]

We know that the checks weren't corroberated; that's why the reconstitution was required.

Who would have corroborated them?  Did the members of the group take independent witnesses with them each time they went on a check?   A reconstitution would not have provided any corroboration or confirmation IMO.
BTW note the correct spelling of corroborated.

[barrier]

Well you missed my point entirely.  Look have you listened to the commentary on the link?  If you haven't you are not really qualified to comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qADoUpzEOu8&feature=youtu.be

The ex-detective seems to be saying the area of the crime scene was set too small IMO.

Is that for you to judge.

[G-Unit]

Who would have corroborated them?  Did the members of the group take independent witnesses with them each time they went on a check?   A reconstitution would not have provided any corroboration or confirmation IMO.
BTW note the correct spelling of corroborated.

You seem to think I'm criticising them because their checks were uncorroborated (thanks for the spell check). All I;m doing is pointing out a fact. The other fact is that the parents were insisting that an abduction had taken place..In the opinion of the investigators the events of the evening as described by the group needed confirming abd they thought a reconstitution would help.

[Eleanor]

Well you missed my point entirely.  Look have you listened to the commentary on the link?  If you haven't you are not really qualified to comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qADoUpzEOu8&feature=youtu.be

The ex-detective seems to be saying the area of the crime scene was set too small IMO.

A well balanced video, Rob.  But even this contained a couple of mistakes.  Calpol Night wasn't released onto the market until Autumn 2007.  And Dr Totman would have been walking from entirely the wrong direction.  But you need to know a bit about Praia De Luz to spot that.  Which an awful lot of people don't seem to have bothered with.

It was a kind video.  Compassion is all, and since my life has always been about Hope, I will go on Hoping.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You seem to think I'm criticising them because their checks were uncorroborated (thanks for the spell check). All I;m doing is pointing out a fact. The other fact is that the parents were insisting that an abduction had taken place..In the opinion of the investigators the events of the evening as described by the group needed confirming abd they thought a reconstitution would help.

I don't think you're criticising the group just pointing out that no amount of reconstituting the events will corroborate or confirm them, so a completely pointless exercise.  IMO. 

[G-Unit]

One interesting point raised by Mark Goldbridge is when was Madeleine last seen by anyone ither than her oarents and their friends. That led me back to the files and I noticed that her nanny, Cat Baker, wasn't asked about 3rd May in her first interview on 6th May. Her colleague says that Madeleine attended the Mini Club on the afternoon of 3rd, but she doesn't remember what time she arrived or whether she was there when the children were taken to the Tapas for high tea. Clearly she and Cat took all the children together. Each nanny had up to seven children in their care, but on 3rd Cat only had three to take to the Tapas; two boys and Madeleine.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

It's only durimg her rogatory interview that Cat speaks about High Tea. She says;

Kate went to get Madeleine from the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she was practicing some form of athletics. It was around 15h25/18h00. I think that Gerry was playing tennis.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm

Although Cat was interviewed at the request of the McCanns, her account seems vague and it's phrased oddly imo. Saying that Kate went to get Madeleine isn't saying Kate actually collected her.

[jassi]

One interesting point raised by Mark Goldbridge is when was Madeleine last seen by anyone ither than her oarents and their friends. That led me back to the files and I noticed that her nanny, Cat Baker, wasn't asked about 3rd May in her first interview on 6th May. Her colleague says that Madeleine attended the Mini Club on the afternoon of 3rd, but she doesn't remember what time she arrived or whether she was there when the children were taken to the Tapas for high tea. Clearly she and Cat took all the children together. Each nanny had up to seven children in their care, but on 3rd Cat only had three to take to the Tapas; two boys and Madeleine.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

It's only durimg her rogatory interview that Cat speaks about High Tea. She says;

Kate went to get Madeleine from the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she was practicing some form of athletics. It was around 15h25/18h00. I think that Gerry was playing tennis.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm

Although Cat was interviewed at the request of the McCanns, her account seems vague and it's phrased oddly imo. Saying that Kate went to get Madeleine isn't saying Kate actually collected her.

That's an awfully wide time span. Are those figures correct?