Netflix launches new 8-part documentary about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

[Brietta]

Didn't Mark Harrison shoot some video footage on his phone of the dogs working in Luz? Is that what Grime showed  Harper, being the property of UK police & therefore lawfully shared?

There definitely was mobile phone footage of Eddie in Haute de la Garenne Misty, but I've no idea if any was taken in Luz.

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As the emails to Coupland demonstrate, at first Harper displayed a healthy scepticism. So what made him change his mind? According to a senior detective who worked on Harper's team, one factor was sniffer dog Eddie's handler, Martin Grime.

'Grime made a presentation, showing him [Harper] a video of the dog finding the "scent of death" in Kate and Gerry McCann's car,' the detective said.

'They were still formal suspects and the case had got worldwide publicity. It seemed to get Lenny very excited. I think Grime kind of bewitched him.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html

[The General]

Accusations of sexual misconduct were not levelled against Sir Clement Freud until after his death.  Consequently no criminal charges were brought against him and he never faced trial.

Being dead he was never given the opportunity to defend himself against these allegations.  Unlike the other celebrity Algarve property owner Sir Cliff Richard who was also accused of sexual impropriety; being alive Sir Cliff would have been in the situation to be able to defend his good name should he have been charged and brought to trial.

Which he would have been unable to do had the accusation been made post mortem.

That did not happen because despite a wide ranging two year investigation no criminal charges could be brought against him ...
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""After careful consideration of the evidence provided to them, the CPS has concluded that no further action should be taken against the man due to there being insufficient evidence to prosecute."

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Sir Cliff made a statement which has relevance to the situation Madeleine McCann's parents are in despite there being no evidence against them ...
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""I know the truth and in some people's eyes the CPS' announcement today doesn't go far enough because it doesn't expressly state that I am innocent; which of course I am. There lies the problem.

"My reputation will not be fully vindicated because the CPS' policy is to only say something general about there being 'insufficient' evidence.

"How can there be evidence for something that never took place!"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/sir-cliff-richard-cleared-of-sex-assault-claims-after-prosecutor/

I suppose Jimmy Saville should be given the benefit of the doubt too.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I suppose Jimmy Saville should be given the benefit of the doubt too.

Maybe so.  What actual evidence is there against him apart from accounts of his alleged victims?  Are they all truthful?  What evidence for him interfering with corpses?  Has this been proved beyond all reasonable doubt?  Should society simply accept as truth all allegations made against dead people?  Apparently there is a law against it in Portugal...

[Eleanor]

I suppose Jimmy Saville should be given the benefit of the doubt too.

Of course he should.

[The General]

Of course he should.

Despite Jeremy Hunt, the then Heath Secretary, apologised on behalf of the Government and the NHS to all Savile’s victims. Describing Savile as a “callous, opportunistic, wicked predator”, he said systems had been “too weak” to deal with their complaints and that “little or no action” had been taken at the time.
Despite there being over 500 accounts spanning 5 decades?
Still now? Still the benefit of the doubt?

[Eleanor]

Despite Jeremy Hunt, the then Heath Secretary, apologised on behalf of the Government and the NHS to all Savile’s victims. Describing Savile as a “callous, opportunistic, wicked predator”, he said systems had been “too weak” to deal with their complaints and that “little or no action” had been taken at the time.
Despite there being over 500 accounts spanning 5 decades?
Still now? Still the benefit of the doubt?

Too many liars making complaints for my liking.

[The General]

Too many liars making complaints for my liking.

All 500+?
So you don't believe any of it? Or are a few rapes OK?

[Carana]

There definitely was mobile phone footage of Eddie in Haute de la Garenne Misty, but I've no idea if any was taken in Luz.

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As the emails to Coupland demonstrate, at first Harper displayed a healthy scepticism. So what made him change his mind? According to a senior detective who worked on Harper's team, one factor was sniffer dog Eddie's handler, Martin Grime.

'Grime made a presentation, showing him [Harper] a video of the dog finding the "scent of death" in Kate and Gerry McCann's car,' the detective said.

'They were still formal suspects and the case had got worldwide publicity. It seemed to get Lenny very excited. I think Grime kind of bewitched him.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html

A lingering question: would Grime have got that contract in the absence of any alerts by Eddie in PDL?

[G-Unit]

A lingering question: would Grime have got that contract in the absence of any alerts by Eddie in PDL?

What are you suggesting?

[Eleanor]

All 500+?
So you don't believe any of it? Or are a few rapes OK?

I believe in The Rule of The Law.  Do you have proof that Jimmy Savile raped anyone.

Have you been following The Case of "Nick" who was supposedly raped by most of The Establishment, including Jimmy Savile?

[Eleanor]

A lingering question: would Grime have got that contract in the absence of any alerts by Eddie in PDL?

What do you think?  My answer is No.

[faithlilly]

A lingering question: would Grime have got that contract in the absence of any alerts by Eddie in PDL?

If the alerts were manufactured and Grime knew that no evidence would be found to corroborate them, and remember Grime said that the alerts needed to be corroborated by forensic evidence, then I don’t see the point. Please explain ?

[faithlilly]

The fact that the police released the information about the dogs into the public domain three weeks prior to Clement Freud commiserating with Kate about her horrendous treatment at the hands of the press, demonstrates that secrecy of justice was no longer in force as far as that information was concerned.

Therefore logic dictates that a private conversation ... the subject of which no longer fell under the secrecy law because it had been officially released under the auspices of a named police spokesperson ... and which we would not have known about but for Kate's book which was published well after Madeleine's case was archived ... could not possibly be construed as breaking the secrecy laws.
It defies logic to promote that it does ... in my opinion ~just something else dreamt up to keep up the harassment on the family of a missing child.

The information was no longer secret immediately the police spokesperson released it to the public domain a full three weeks before the fluid nonsense of hilarity was promoted ... and when that hit the skids ... replaced by falsely accusing Kate of an impossibility using the same material.
Nothing if not inventive.

A cite still needed, re forum rules, for this part of the above post

‘The fact that the police released the information about the dogs into the public domain three weeks prior to Clement Freud commiserating with Kate about her horrendous treatment at the hands of the press, demonstrates that secrecy of justice was no longer in force as far as that information was concerned.’

[Mr Gray]

If the alerts were manufactured and Grime knew that no evidence would be found to corroborate them, and remember Grime said that the alerts needed to be corroborated by forensic evidence, then I don’t see the point. Please explain ?

i have many times

[faithlilly]

i have many times

And that information would be useful if id asked you.