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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #690 on: June 29, 2019, 10:55:00 AM »
What are the odds on a Flawed Expert Witness?  There are two mentioned in this article.

Well Prof Roy Meadows, a pediatrician, ventured outside his area of expertise into the world of murky statistics.  Dr Alan Williams, a HO pathologist, withheld evidence. 

From looking at other cases I have found most experts to be competent and reliable but when unusual cases present, as above, that imo is when they go awry not just with experts but police and judiciary too.  The common theme running through the cases I've looked at is that they're unusual:

- Bamber - Family annihilation
- Bain - Family annihilation
- Dando - Law abiding woman, shot on her doorstep at point blank range in broad daylight on a busy street
- Rettendon murders - 3 drug dealers shot at point blank range in Range Rover
- McCanns - Child abducted from holiday apartment/filicide for sceptics

The above are not your run of the mill case for police, experts, judiciary. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Eleanor

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #691 on: June 29, 2019, 10:59:27 AM »
Well Prof Roy Meadows, a pediatrician, ventured outside his area of expertise into the world of murky statistics.  Dr Alan Williams, a HO pathologist, withheld evidence. 

From looking at other cases I have found most experts to be competent and reliable but when unusual cases present, as above, that imo is when they go awry not just with experts but police and judiciary too.  The common theme running through the cases I've looked at is that they're unusual:

- Bamber - Family annihilation
- Bain - Family annihilation
- Dando - Law abiding woman, shot on her doorstep at point blank range in broad daylight on a busy street
- Rettendon murders - 3 drug dealers shot at point blank range in Range Rover
- McCanns - Child abducted from holiday apartment/filicide for sceptics

The above are not your run of the mill case for police, experts, judiciary.

Don't you think that even one is bad enough?  Sally Clark was killed by their ignorance.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #692 on: June 29, 2019, 11:03:50 AM »
Well Prof Roy Meadows, a pediatrician, ventured outside his area of expertise into the world of murky statistics.  Dr Alan Williams, a HO pathologist, withheld evidence. 

From looking at other cases I have found most experts to be competent and reliable but when unusual cases present, as above, that imo is when they go awry not just with experts but police and judiciary too.  The common theme running through the cases I've looked at is that they're unusual:

- Bamber - Family annihilation
- Bain - Family annihilation
- Dando - Law abiding woman, shot on her doorstep at point blank range in broad daylight on a busy street
- Rettendon murders - 3 drug dealers shot at point blank range in Range Rover
- McCanns - Child abducted from holiday apartment/filicide for sceptics

The above are not your run of the mill case for police, experts, judiciary.

The professor should have understood statistics... It's not rocket science.  He made a very basic error.  He ignored the fact that there could have been a genetic disposition shared by siblings that increases the incidence if cot deaths.
We cannot simply trust so called experts

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #693 on: June 29, 2019, 11:09:24 AM »
Don't you think that even one is bad enough?  Sally Clark was killed by their ignorance.

Of course.  Another feature of all these cases is that they are almost all presided over by males from similar backgrounds which tends to produce 'group think' and 'herd mentality' whether it be police officers, experts, judiciary, media, crime writers etc, etc.

How many females appear in this case, McCanns? 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #694 on: June 29, 2019, 11:10:50 AM »
The professor should have understood statistics... It's not rocket science.  He made a very basic error.  He ignored the fact that there could have been a genetic disposition shared by siblings that increases the incidence if cot deaths.
We cannot simply trust so called experts

The professor was a pediatrician not a statistician. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #695 on: June 29, 2019, 11:11:01 AM »
Of course.  Another feature of all these cases is that they are almost all presided over by males from similar backgrounds which tends to produce 'group think' and 'herd mentality' whether it be police officers, experts, judiciary, media, crime writers etc, etc.

How many females appear in this case, McCanns?

Justice Hogg who returned a child to her abusive parent who killed her...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #696 on: June 29, 2019, 11:12:49 AM »
The professor was a pediatrician not a statistician.

Medics discuss statistics everyday... It's part if their training.
Expert witnesses quote statistics regularly..

His mistake was medical... Not statistical
« Last Edit: June 29, 2019, 11:17:30 AM by Davel »

Offline Robittybob1

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #697 on: June 29, 2019, 11:19:46 AM »
I think robs just making a complete and utter fool of himself...AIMO of course
Thanks a million.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #698 on: June 29, 2019, 11:23:25 AM »
This is total ad hom and reveals your true motive.
Without having to resort to a dictionary... A deduction is based on evidence an assumption is not... You obviously don't understand  the English language.
 
As for accusing me of not being honest ...I'm not allowed to post my response.  I will report your post to John... It proves what I've been saying to him for some time
Are you telling me you will swear by Almighty God that you are being absolutely honest in all you write on the forum.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #699 on: June 29, 2019, 11:26:44 AM »
Are you telling me you will swear by Almighty God that you are being absolutely honest in all you write on the forum.

Why do you think I would swear by almighty god.  .ridiculous
You need to point out a post ewhere you think I have not been honest... You won't find one... You should apologise and move on... I'm honest and you have no right to suggest I'm not... That's totally against forum rules

Offline Eleanor

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #700 on: June 29, 2019, 11:26:54 AM »
Are you telling me you will swear by Almighty God that you are being absolutely honest in all you write on the forum.

I am.  So why suspect that Davel isn't?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #701 on: June 29, 2019, 11:27:34 AM »
Yet Rob thinks they should be believed simply because they are regarded as experts
Did I say that?  I would never say "they should be believed simply because they are regarded as experts".
« Last Edit: June 29, 2019, 11:28:47 AM by Eleanor »
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #702 on: June 29, 2019, 11:32:15 AM »
Why do you think I would swear by almighty god.  .ridiculous
You need to point out a post ewhere you think I have not been honest... You won't find one... You should apologise and move on... I'm honest and you have no right to suggest I'm not... That's totally against forum rules
'I already have.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10798.msg540301#msg540301

In the linked post I believe you are misquoting me, all in an effort to embarrass me.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2019, 11:35:24 AM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #703 on: June 29, 2019, 11:35:51 AM »
'I already have.

I haven't told any lies on this forum and you should not accuse me of lying

Offline Robittybob1

Re: what do you think the odds are of abduction in this case?
« Reply #704 on: June 29, 2019, 11:41:07 AM »
I haven't told any lies on this forum and you should not accuse me of lying
Did you not see that I said that your claim: "Yet Rob thinks they should be believed simply because they are regarded as experts", is untrue?
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