The Science Of Sleep - Does It Offer A Better Explanation Than Sedation?

[Holly Goodhead]

There's much talk about the possibility MM was drugged/sedated along with the twins by an abductor or the McCanns.  I do not believe this to be the case since the science of sleep can provide a more plausible explanation.

I studied the above on a psychology course in the 80's but like most things since then it has been developed further through such things as sleep laboratories. 

In a nutshell we go through sleep cycles which feature stages 1 - 4.  3 and 4 are difficult to wake from and this is especially so for small children.

The fact the McCanns are medical doctors would not necessarily mean they had an awareness or knowledge of the science of sleep.  It is usually studied on neuroscience, psychology and psychiatry courses.

Matthew Walker:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Walker_(scientist)

has written a best selling book:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-We-Sleep-Science-Dreams/dp/0141983760/ref=asc_df_0141983760/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310834580283&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4294046357075605393&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006933&hvtargid=pla-395333668264&psc=1&th=1&psc=1

[Holly Goodhead]

People can see with their own eyes a sleeping Shaun against a backdrop of movement and noise:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pepDNi7WSYs

Does anyone believe the McCanns drugged/sedated SM prior to his flight home?

[G-Unit]

In my opinion the point isn't whether the children were sedated or not. The point ia why Kate McCann wanted people to think they were.

As to sedating children on flights, apparently it's quite common. Something that was news to me, I must admit.

[Eleanor]

In my opinion the point isn't whether the children were sedated or not. The point ia why Kate McCann wanted people to think they were.

As to sedating children on flights, apparently it's quite common. Something that was news to me, I must admit.

When did Kate McCann suggest she wanted people to think the children had been sedated?

You are twisting this.

[Holly Goodhead]

In my opinion the point isn't whether the children were sedated or not. The point ia why Kate McCann wanted people to think they were.

Did she want people to think they were?  What's the evidence for this?  I thought she put it forward as a hypothesis to explain why the twins did not wake in the aftermath of MM's disappearance ie all the noise in the apartment/bedroom?

As to sedating children on flights, apparently it's quite common. Something that was news to me, I must admit.

So if they sedated SM on the return flight home why not AM too?  She was clearly awake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pepDNi7WSYs

[Mr Gray]

In my opinion the point isn't whether the children were sedated or not. The point ia why Kate McCann wanted people to think they were.

As to sedating children on flights, apparently it's quite common. Something that was news to me, I must admit.

I've never seen it as quite common... I've taken my children from babies on lots of long haul 12 hr flights... Never even thought of sedating them

[Eleanor]

I've never seen it as quite common... I've taken my children from babies on lots of long haul 12 hr flights... Never even thought of sedating them

Nor me neither.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In my opinion the point isn't whether the children were sedated or not. The point ia why Kate McCann wanted people to think they were.

As to sedating children on flights, apparently it's quite common. Something that was news to me, I must admit.

Are you basing your opinion on one article in the Daily Mail written by some idiot yummy mummy or do you have a more reliable source of information for this alleged kid sedation on planes thing?  Personally I don’t think kids under 3 should be allowed on planes full stop, my heart sinks every time I get in a plane and see a baby being carried down the aisle towards my seat. 

[G-Unit]

Are you basing your opinion on one article in the Daily Mail written by some idiot yummy mummy or do you have a more reliable source of information for this alleged kid sedation on planes thing?  Personally I don’t think kids under 3 should be allowed on planes full stop, my heart sinks every time I get in a plane and see a baby being carried down the aisle towards my seat.

Some do it for their own convenience, others because of the disaproving stares of people like you.

A quick chat with friends and a scour of the internet (from the BBC to Mumsnet) revealed that drugging children in the hope that they will sleep is pretty common - sometimes even at home, and particularly when travelling.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/family-holidays/is-it-ok-drug-babies-toddlers-children-sleep-flight-antihistamines/

[Eleanor]

Some do it for their own convenience, others because of the disaproving stares of people like you.

A quick chat with friends and a scour of the internet (from the BBC to Mumsnet) revealed that drugging children in the hope that they will sleep is pretty common - sometimes even at home, and particularly when travelling.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/family-holidays/is-it-ok-drug-babies-toddlers-children-sleep-flight-antihistamines/

Goodness me.  Who'd a thought it?  I never did that.  There must be a lot of horrible parents around.

[Robittybob1]

In my opinion the point isn't whether the children were sedated or not. The point ia why Kate McCann wanted people to think they were.

As to sedating children on flights, apparently it's quite common. Something that was news to me, I must admit.

A very good idea.  When you are stuck in a plane for 12 hours close to a crying child you might also agree.

[Miss Taken Identity]

There's much talk about the possibility MM was drugged/sedated along with the twins by an abductor or the McCanns.  I do not believe this to be the case since the science of sleep can provide a more plausible explanation.

I studied the above on a psychology course in the 80's but like most things since then it has been developed further through such things as sleep laboratories. 

In a nutshell we go through sleep cycles which feature stages 1 - 4.  3 and 4 are difficult to wake from and this is especially so for small children.

The fact the McCanns are medical doctors would not necessarily mean they had an awareness or knowledge of the science of sleep.  It is usually studied on neuroscience, psychology and psychiatry courses.

Matthew Walker:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Walker_(scientist)

has written a best selling book:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-We-Sleep-Science-Dreams/dp/0141983760/ref=asc_df_0141983760/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310834580283&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4294046357075605393&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006933&hvtargid=pla-395333668264&psc=1&th=1&psc=1

"The fact the McCanns are medical doctors would not necessarily mean they had an awareness or knowledge of the science of sleep. "

As parents they know their childs sleeping patters no need for a science degree on their sleep patterns.

They knew their children were waking up their -daughter told them the night before apparently- they claimed they didn't want to put a light on in case they woke the kids or use  a certain door as the noise may wake them so if we are to go by their observational knowledge they kids were light sleepers!

[Brietta]

"The fact the McCanns are medical doctors would not necessarily mean they had an awareness or knowledge of the science of sleep. "

As parents they know their childs sleeping patters no need for a science degree on their sleep patterns.

They knew their children were waking up their -daughter told them the night before apparently- they claimed they didn't want to put a light on in case they woke the kids or use  a certain door as the noise may wake them so if we are to go by their observational knowledge they kids were light sleepers!

Madeleine was known to wake in the early hours of the morning ... hence the star chart on the fridge at home.
There is nothing else as far as I know to indicate that the twins were 'light sleepers' ... in fact the contrary.  We have all seen Madeleine's brother sleeping soundly when carried off a plane in a noisy airport.
Do you have anything other than your opinion to back up the assertion you have made?

[faithlilly]

Madeleine was known to wake in the early hours of the morning ... hence the star chart on the fridge at home.
There is nothing else as far as I know to indicate that the twins were 'light sleepers' ... in fact the contrary.  We have all seen Madeleine's brother sleeping soundly when carried off a plane in a noisy airport.
Do you have anything other than your opinion to back up the assertion you have made?

We were told by Gerry that they began to use the patio doors in order not to wake the children. That certainly suggests that they were light sleepers. We were also told by Kate that she didn’t want to turn the light on on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance because she, again, didn’t want to wake the children. That also suggests that they were light sleepers.

[Vertigo Swirl]

We were told by Gerry that they began to use the patio doors in order not to wake the children. That certainly suggests that they were light sleepers. We were also told by Kate that she didn’t want to turn the light on on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance because she, again, didn’t want to wake the children. That also suggests that they were light sleepers.

No it doesn’t, it just suggests that they were normal parents who didn’t want to risk the possibility of waking their children in the night.  It’s what most parents do, whether their kids are light sleepers or not.