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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #120 on: June 30, 2019, 08:48:49 PM »
You don’t have one, do you ? You simply made it up.

I refer you to my previous answer

Offline Eleanor

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #121 on: June 30, 2019, 09:20:13 PM »
Not at all. I find Eleanor very affable and someone I have the greatest respect for...despite our earlier troubles...and there is no one more supportive of the McCanns than Eleanor.

Ah well,  as you said,  I don't bear grudges.  And I don't suppose that you do either.  I actually like you whatever you may say.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #122 on: June 30, 2019, 09:28:50 PM »
Ah well,  as you said,  I don't bear grudges.  And I don't suppose that you do either.  I actually like you whatever you may say.
I like Faith too, I think shes’s a really lovely person, and her loveliness shines though on this forum for all to see.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #123 on: June 30, 2019, 09:51:01 PM »
It does say keela was there but made no alerts so not relevant
Did you have the energy to read that link and from that you deduced that Keela did not alert.  If that is the case that is a bit strange. 

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Offline faithlilly

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #124 on: June 30, 2019, 09:57:15 PM »
I like Faith too, I think shes’s a really lovely person, and her loveliness shines though on this forum for all to see.

Thanks VS. Unfortunately the feeling isn’t reciprocated.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #125 on: June 30, 2019, 09:59:11 PM »
Did you have the energy to read that link and from that you deduced that Keela did not alert.  If that is the case that is a bit strange.

I didn't deduce anything.. It's in the report that keela did not alert to the car

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #126 on: June 30, 2019, 09:59:30 PM »
Thanks VS. Unfortunately the feeling isn’t reciprocated.
That’s OK, I know you really, really dislike me, I can live with that.  8**8:/:
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #127 on: June 30, 2019, 10:07:41 PM »
That’s OK, I know you really, really dislike me, I can live with that.  8**8:/:

I don’t actually.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #128 on: June 30, 2019, 10:24:37 PM »
Thanks VS. Unfortunately the feeling isn’t reciprocated.

Did you have to say that.?  I am really trying here.  Snort.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #129 on: June 30, 2019, 10:41:47 PM »
It does say keela was there but made no alerts so not relevant
"According to Grime, on December 4, 2011, he took his dogs to an enclosed warehouse that contained 31 vehicles. Grime was told that Bianca was in one of the vehicles at the time of the carjacking, but was not told which vehicle was involved. Morse alerted Grime to the presence of the odor of decomposition in the back seat and trunk of a silver Grand Marquis. Keela later screened the car and did not alert Grime to the presence of human blood.

Grime testified that, after the vehicle screening, he took the dogs to an administrative building to screen the items removed from Dungey's car. Grime did not know where the objects were located in the building, and the objects had been placed in a room filled with “all sorts of things.” Morse alerted Grime to the odor of decomposition in Bianca's car seat and a bag containing Bianca's blanket. Grime later took the dogs to Dungey's house. Morse https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.htmlalerted him to the odor of decomposition in a room that contained bunk beds and a closet without a door."

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

OK Keela did not alert to blood on the car seat or blanket.  Where did Grime go wrong then?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #130 on: June 30, 2019, 10:43:48 PM »
"According to Grime, on December 4, 2011, he took his dogs to an enclosed warehouse that contained 31 vehicles. Grime was told that Bianca was in one of the vehicles at the time of the carjacking, but was not told which vehicle was involved. Morse alerted Grime to the presence of the odor of decomposition in the back seat and trunk of a silver Grand Marquis. Keela later screened the car and did not alert Grime to the presence of human blood.

Grime testified that, after the vehicle screening, he took the dogs to an administrative building to screen the items removed from Dungey's car. Grime did not know where the objects were located in the building, and the objects had been placed in a room filled with “all sorts of things.” Morse alerted Grime to the odor of decomposition in Bianca's car seat and a bag containing Bianca's blanket. Grime later took the dogs to Dungey's house. Morse https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.htmlalerted him to the odor of decomposition in a room that contained bunk beds and a closet without a door."

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

OK Keela did not alert to blood on the car seat or blanket.  Where did Grime go wrong then?

Do you  intend to deal with the goading towards me

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #131 on: June 30, 2019, 10:46:19 PM »
I’m not interested in the bigger picture. I’m interested in you providing a cite re Grime’s statement to the judge.
So am I.  Where did you deduce that from Davel?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #132 on: June 30, 2019, 10:54:00 PM »
You were right Keela did not alert, so we have an uncorroborated cadaver dog alert.  Now tell us how you know that MG spoke to the judge (was that privately)?  I'll let you tell the story.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #133 on: June 30, 2019, 11:05:24 PM »
Claptrap... You have no problem deleting my posts...
Are you talking about last week or just now, in the last 2 hours?  I haven't deleted any posts today.
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Offline misty

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #134 on: June 30, 2019, 11:18:38 PM »
"According to Grime, on December 4, 2011, he took his dogs to an enclosed warehouse that contained 31 vehicles. Grime was told that Bianca was in one of the vehicles at the time of the carjacking, but was not told which vehicle was involved. Morse alerted Grime to the presence of the odor of decomposition in the back seat and trunk of a silver Grand Marquis. Keela later screened the car and did not alert Grime to the presence of human blood.

Grime testified that, after the vehicle screening, he took the dogs to an administrative building to screen the items removed from Dungey's car. Grime did not know where the objects were located in the building, and the objects had been placed in a room filled with “all sorts of things.” Morse alerted Grime to the odor of decomposition in Bianca's car seat and a bag containing Bianca's blanket. Grime later took the dogs to Dungey's house. Morse https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.htmlalerted him to the odor of decomposition in a room that contained bunk beds and a closet without a door."

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1683760.html

OK Keela did not alert to blood on the car seat or blanket.  Where did Grime go wrong then?
https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id421.htm
Expert testifies that cadaver dog gave signals about toddler in D'Andre Lane's car, house Detroit Free Press
 Bianca Jones
Bianca Jones
October 4, 2012

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Local investigators took Grime and Morse, who is trained to detect decomposing human remains, to an enclosed garage at the Detroit Police Department's impound lot. Inside, he released Morse, leading him through a maze of 31 parked cars, including Lane's silver Mercury.

"He went underneath Mr. Lane's car then came out and barked ... like woof-woof-woof-woof-woof-woof-woof," Grime said, adding that he wasn't told that the silver Mercury was Lane's until after the search was complete.

"What was the response what you opened the door and the trunk, sir?" Assistant Prosecutor Carin Goldfarb asked.

"There was a positive response -- the dog barked continuously," he said, adding that the dog didn't bark at any other cars.

He said they then went to a Detroit Police Department evidence room, where investigators wrapped Bianca's car seat in brown paper and hid it in an office within a number of rooms.


Grime said there was no response during the first search, when the car seat was sealed inside the brown paper. He then asked officers to put a slit in the paper and move the car seat to another room.

"The second time, when the dog got close to the package, he put his nose in the package and gave a positive response," Grime said.

Investigators then set up a search in another warehouse using Bianca's blanket that had been in the car seat. Grime said the dog barked when it came across a brown paper bag on the floor with the blanket inside.

"Were you aware of where any of these items were going to be when Morse signaled on them?" Goldfarb asked.

"No," Grime said, adding that he can't force the dog to bark continuously and he never saw the actual car seat or blanket.

Grime said he then took Morse to Lane's house, where Morse sat and barked in Bianca's bedroom, close to the opening of a door-less closet.

"Have the results you've come up with ever been contradicted?" Judge Vonda Evans asked. He said no.

But Lane's attorney, Terry Johnson, raised questions about the dog's ability to detect decomposition during his cross-examination.

"You have no way of telling what Morse responded to at any location?" Johnson asked Grime.

"He gave us a positive response," Morse said. "The corroboration would normally be to find a cadaver or bone or blood that you can see."

"The dog did not give a positive response to the clothing worn by Mr. Lane, correct?" Johnson asked.

"No," Grime said.

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Why did Grime ask for a concealed item, not alerted to by Morse on first examination, to be moved for a second test whilst claiming afterwards he didn't know what the concealed item was?