Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.

[Robittybob1]

Are you talking about last week or just now, in the last 2 hours?  I haven't deleted any posts today.

To all members:
I'm telling you how to make our moderator job easier, so in the end we can be more effective.  Like if you report a post even then we don't know anything about that till we check our emails.
But that would be best is to report it and not reply to the reported post, but just to keep on to the thread's topic.

[Robittybob1]

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id421.htm
Expert testifies that cadaver dog gave signals about toddler in D'Andre Lane's car, house Detroit Free Press
 Bianca Jones
Bianca Jones
October 4, 2012

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Local investigators took Grime and Morse, who is trained to detect decomposing human remains, to an enclosed garage at the Detroit Police Department's impound lot. Inside, he released Morse, leading him through a maze of 31 parked cars, including Lane's silver Mercury.

"He went underneath Mr. Lane's car then came out and barked ... like woof-woof-woof-woof-woof-woof-woof," Grime said, adding that he wasn't told that the silver Mercury was Lane's until after the search was complete.

"What was the response what you opened the door and the trunk, sir?" Assistant Prosecutor Carin Goldfarb asked.

"There was a positive response -- the dog barked continuously," he said, adding that the dog didn't bark at any other cars.

He said they then went to a Detroit Police Department evidence room, where investigators wrapped Bianca's car seat in brown paper and hid it in an office within a number of rooms.


Grime said there was no response during the first search, when the car seat was sealed inside the brown paper. He then asked officers to put a slit in the paper and move the car seat to another room.

"The second time, when the dog got close to the package, he put his nose in the package and gave a positive response," Grime said.

Investigators then set up a search in another warehouse using Bianca's blanket that had been in the car seat. Grime said the dog barked when it came across a brown paper bag on the floor with the blanket inside.

"Were you aware of where any of these items were going to be when Morse signaled on them?" Goldfarb asked.

"No," Grime said, adding that he can't force the dog to bark continuously and he never saw the actual car seat or blanket.

Grime said he then took Morse to Lane's house, where Morse sat and barked in Bianca's bedroom, close to the opening of a door-less closet.

"Have the results you've come up with ever been contradicted?" Judge Vonda Evans asked. He said no.

But Lane's attorney, Terry Johnson, raised questions about the dog's ability to detect decomposition during his cross-examination.

"You have no way of telling what Morse responded to at any location?" Johnson asked Grime.

"He gave us a positive response," Morse said. "The corroboration would normally be to find a cadaver or bone or blood that you can see."

"The dog did not give a positive response to the clothing worn by Mr. Lane, correct?" Johnson asked.

"No," Grime said.

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Why did Grime ask for a concealed item, not alerted to by Morse on first examination, to be moved for a second test whilst claiming afterwards he didn't know what the concealed item was?

The funniest bit, if there can ever be anything funny about the murder of a little girl, is this line in that article:
""He gave us a positive response," Morse said. "The corroboration would normally be to find a cadaver or bone or blood that you can see."

Morse is the dog so I wonder how he told the reporter that?

[Mr Gray]

It's a shame we can't have a grown up discussion... From what I can see in the lane case... Grime considers the alerts  corroborated.... Hes moved the goalposts

[faithlilly]

It's a shame we can't have a grown up discussion... From what I can see in the lane case... Grime considers the alerts  corroborated.... Hes moved the goalposts

Grime said Morse alerted to what he was trained to, that is all.

[Mr Gray]

Grime said Morse alerted to what he was trained to, that is all.

grime has said a lot more than that...hes moved the goalposts...hes written a 180 page white paper with his latest thoughts...read it and you will be in a position to comment

[faithlilly]

grime has said a lot more than that...hes moved the goalposts...hes written a 180 page white paper with his latest thoughts...read it and you will be in a position to comment

We are talking about this case.

[Mr Gray]

We are talking about this case.

it is extremely relevant to this case

[faithlilly]

it is extremely relevant to this case

Do you have a link to the white paper ?

[The General]

Do you have a link to the white paper ?

It's freely available, so I've provided a link.
http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/

[G-Unit]

It's freely available, so I've provided a link.
http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/

Here's a link to the whole paper.
http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/1/Forensic%20Canine%20Foundation%20.pdf

[Mr Gray]

It's freely available, so I've provided a link.
http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/

It raises many.. Many questions.

One is Grime is now, saying that cadaver dogs do not react to teeth unless they have been recently lost.  Extracted teeth may have remnants of connective tissue bone and blood attached.

The teeth in Jersey were, reported, as being naturally shed so this wouldnt apply
Eddie alerted 11times in Jersey... To a coconut...which is discounted... Baby teeth... Which can be discounted... And we are left with sone bone fragments that MAY be human

Lanes, attorney raised the coconut question,  Grime replied his dog is not always, right.... It actually seems he, was never right in Jersey

[Mr Gray]

It's freely available, so I've provided a link.
http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/

From your link..


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Since then we have conducted research and developed doctrine and methodology based upon published scientific proof of concept. Our success has continued, and the use of this type of detection has been included within judicial process where prosecutors have thought it appropriate within the laws of the country or State.


Has any of this research been published or made public... Where is it ...grime is making claims here... Does he have anything to support it.... Or is it more anecdotal... Not scientific... research

[faithlilly]

It's freely available, so I've provided a link.
http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/

Thanks.

[faithlilly]

Here's a link to the whole paper.
http://eprints.staffs.ac.uk/4750/1/Forensic%20Canine%20Foundation%20.pdf

Thanks.

[The General]

It raises many.. Many questions.

One is Grime is now, saying that cadaver dogs do not react to teeth unless they have been recently lost.  Extracted teeth may have remnants of connective tissue bone and blood attached.

The teeth in Jersey were, reported, as being naturally shed so this wouldnt apply
Eddie alerted 11times in Jersey... To a coconut...which is discounted... Baby teeth... Which can be discounted... And we are left with sone bone fragments that MAY be human

Lanes, attorney raised the coconut question,  Grime replied his dog is not always, right.... It actually seems he, was never right in Jersey

Funny, I read it with a balanced viewpoint and reached a different conclusion. Confirmation bias is a funny thing.
Bottom line for me remains: would I use Grime / Morse if I was in the unfortunate position of needing them? Yes.