Author Topic: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.  (Read 95060 times)

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #375 on: July 09, 2019, 10:03:14 PM »
It’s quite pungent.
I haven't experienced human cadaver odour myself.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #376 on: July 09, 2019, 10:04:43 PM »
It's, all a bit odd.. In the lane case Morse ran straight TO the car and in PDL  Eddue, walked, straight past the car

Offline The General

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #377 on: July 09, 2019, 10:10:22 PM »
It's, all a bit odd.. In the lane case Morse ran straight TO the car and in PDL  Eddue, walked, straight past the car
Different dogs. Different good boys. And girls.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #378 on: July 09, 2019, 10:13:13 PM »
It's, all a bit odd.. In the lane case Morse ran straight TO the car and in PDL  Eddue, walked, straight past the car

Then he went back to the car, had a right good sniff of the door seal then snapped his head back & nearly barked himself off his feet. This can only mean one thing......abduction!
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #379 on: July 09, 2019, 10:23:04 PM »
Then he went back to the car, had a right good sniff of the door seal then snapped his head back & nearly barked himself off his feet. This can only mean one thing......abduction!
Or “is this the one you want me to bark at?  OK, then, anything for a laugh and a Scooby Snack”
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #380 on: July 09, 2019, 11:24:18 PM »
Or “is this the one you want me to bark at?  OK, then, anything for a laugh and a Scooby Snack”
That's precisely why they shouldn't be rewarded while they are on the job IMO.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #381 on: July 10, 2019, 12:45:39 AM »
I missed where they were rewarded in the McCann dog footage?

14 May 2008 Martin Grime Rogatory

Q. Based upon your experience with the dogs, can you specify whether the positive signals given by them have always matched the scientific results?

A. I cannot. In this case, for example, not all the alert signals have been investigated by the appropriate agencies in order to provide forensic comparisons, in spite of indications to the contrary. It also should be taken into account that the procedures for forensic testing are still less discriminating than the system of dogs’ smell. During training, the dogs are barely rewarded for positive alert signals regarding targets of known substances.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #382 on: July 10, 2019, 04:28:41 AM »
I missed where they were rewarded in the McCann dog footage?

14 May 2008 Martin Grime Rogatory

Q. Based upon your experience with the dogs, can you specify whether the positive signals given by them have always matched the scientific results?

A. I cannot. In this case, for example, not all the alert signals have been investigated by the appropriate agencies in order to provide forensic comparisons, in spite of indications to the contrary. It also should be taken into account that the procedures for forensic testing are still less discriminating than the system of dogs’ smell. During training, the dogs are barely rewarded for positive alert signals regarding targets of known substances.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

OK During training, the dogs are barely rewarded for positive alert signals regarding targets of known substances.

What does barely mean in this context.  I think in terms of giving the dog a reward but not over doing it.  So when is it given a thorough reward?

I'm not saying Grime rewarded his dogs during investigation work, but I do wonder how he kept his dogs enthusiasm up.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #383 on: July 10, 2019, 07:28:09 AM »
I missed where they were rewarded in the McCann dog footage?

14 May 2008 Martin Grime Rogatory

Q. Based upon your experience with the dogs, can you specify whether the positive signals given by them have always matched the scientific results?

A. I cannot. In this case, for example, not all the alert signals have been investigated by the appropriate agencies in order to provide forensic comparisons, in spite of indications to the contrary. It also should be taken into account that the procedures for forensic testing are still less discriminating than the system of dogs’ smell. During training, the dogs are barely rewarded for positive alert signals regarding targets of known substances.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm
Have you access to the full, unedited rushes of the dog searches?  Because if you haven’t then you can’t be sure.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #384 on: July 10, 2019, 07:58:09 AM »
The alerte in this case were coroborated by anectdotal witness statemnts...why didnt grime say the same in 2007...what has caused his change of mind

Offline The General

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #385 on: July 10, 2019, 08:47:52 AM »
The alerte in this case were coroborated by anectdotal witness statemnts...why didnt grime say the same in 2007...what has caused his change of mind
He didn't. He did a cracking job, as did the dogs. Well done to all concerned, getting over there at short notice to help to find out what happened to a missing little girl. Bravo that man.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #386 on: July 10, 2019, 08:52:52 AM »
If the McCann case had happened in Detroit the parents would be doing 30 years inside now.  Do forum members think that would be the correct decision of the jury?  If so why?
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"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #387 on: July 10, 2019, 08:56:29 AM »
He didn't. He did a cracking job, as did the dogs. Well done to all concerned, getting over there at short notice to help to find out what happened to a missing little girl. Bravo that man.

My statement is based on fact... Not opinion.. In the lane case Grime has stated that the alerts, are confirmed by anectdotal witness statements... Why did he, say something  totally different in 2007

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #388 on: July 10, 2019, 08:58:12 AM »
If the McCann case had happened in Detroit the parents would be doing 30 years inside now.  Do forum members think that would be the correct decision of the jury?  If so why?

If Grimes evidence had been put before a jury as it was in the lane case ..I think there, no doubt the McCann's would have been found guilty

Offline G-Unit

Re: Exhibit A and the Trial of D'Andre Lane.
« Reply #389 on: July 10, 2019, 08:59:06 AM »
He didn't. He did a cracking job, as did the dogs. Well done to all concerned, getting over there at short notice to help to find out what happened to a missing little girl. Bravo that man.

Well said! I can't believe that people are questioning Lane's coviiction just because (imo) Grime was involved. I think that's a step too far.
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