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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #150 on: July 07, 2019, 09:40:51 PM »
More importantly, why didn't the PJ want to find Smithman between 3rd May & 6th September 2007?

When did Martin Smith first contact the Police?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #151 on: July 07, 2019, 09:51:28 PM »
More importantly, why didn't the PJ want to find Smithman between 3rd May & 6th September 2007?

Why does it matter? Investigations change and new theories explored in unsolved cases.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #152 on: July 07, 2019, 09:55:35 PM »
Are you of the opinion that Mitchell knows Smithman was Gerry?

How would I know what Mitchell knows? I'm just throwing the question out there. Why did Mitchell not want Smithman to be found? One explanation, IMO, is because he knew Smithman was GM. There may well be other feasible reasons.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #153 on: July 07, 2019, 09:59:00 PM »
No it is not clear.  You have to ask why there isn't "an innocent tourist or a local"?

One of the reasons could be that the Smiths are lying.
Well what reason does Barrier put forward himself?

It's quite clear to me that barrier is suggesting smithman is Gerry... And not an innocent tourist or local

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #154 on: July 07, 2019, 10:08:42 PM »
How would I know what Mitchell knows? I'm just throwing the question out there. Why did Mitchell not want Smithman to be found? One explanation, IMO, is because he knew Smithman was GM. There may well be other feasible reasons.
Wow, you have an extraordinarily low opinion of Mitchell, don’t you?!
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #155 on: July 07, 2019, 10:23:39 PM »
It's quite clear to me that barrier is suggesting smithman is Gerry... And not an innocent tourist or local
  Does he offer the reason himself; not yet but Billy offers this reason "because he [Clarence] knew Smithman was GM"  without explain how Clarence could know how he found that out.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #156 on: July 07, 2019, 10:26:05 PM »
  Does he offer the reason himself; not yet but Billy offers this reason "because he [Clarence] knew Smithman was GM"  without explain how Clarence could know how he found that out.

I think it's obvious from his post exactly  what he means

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #157 on: July 07, 2019, 10:30:30 PM »
I think it's obvious from his post exactly  what he means
You could well be right.  But to be fair I'll wait for Barrier to reply.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #158 on: July 07, 2019, 10:36:29 PM »
Wow, you have an extraordinarily low opinion of Mitchell, don’t you?!

My own opinion of Mitchell is not the point. The question is why didn't he want Smithman to be found? How many feasible answers fit that question?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #159 on: July 07, 2019, 10:39:17 PM »
  Does he offer the reason himself; not yet but Billy offers this reason "because he [Clarence] knew Smithman was GM"  without explain how Clarence could know how he found that out.

You misquoted me. I said:

One explanation, IMO, is because he knew Smithman was GM. There may well be other feasible reasons.

That would be a feasible explanation, would it not?

Offline misty

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #160 on: July 07, 2019, 10:51:58 PM »
When did Martin Smith first contact the Police?

It certainly wasn't during the remainder of his holiday in Luz, which ended on 9/5/07, despite his thoughts on 4th
May.
His memory was prompted by his son around the same time Murat was made an arguido, i.e. 14/5/07 & the family approached the Garda in Eire.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

"— Urged, states that when he passed this individual it would have been around 22H00, and at the time he was completely unaware that a child had disappeared. He only became aware of the disappearance of the child the next morning, through his daughter, L*****, in Ireland who had sent him a message or called him regarding what had happened. At this point he thought that MADELEINE could have been the child he saw with the individual.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #161 on: July 07, 2019, 10:54:05 PM »
My own opinion of Mitchell is not the point. The question is why didn't he want Smithman to be found? How many feasible answers fit that question?
You will of course have a cite for Clarence wanting Smithman not to be found...?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #162 on: July 07, 2019, 10:57:25 PM »
It certainly wasn't during the remainder of his holiday in Luz, which ended on 9/5/07, despite his thoughts on 4th
May.
His memory was prompted by his son around the same time Murat was made an arguido, i.e. 14/5/07 & the family approached the Garda in Eire.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

"— Urged, states that when he passed this individual it would have been around 22H00, and at the time he was completely unaware that a child had disappeared. He only became aware of the disappearance of the child the next morning, through his daughter, L*****, in Ireland who had sent him a message or called him regarding what had happened. At this point he thought that MADELEINE could have been the child he saw with the individual.

So therefore that answers the earlier question about why the Police weren't looking for him in early May!

Why oh why if Mitchell wanted to pursue every feasible lead didn't he want to find Smithman? He wanted to trace Cooperman yet the episode of him on the beach following kids wasn't reported straight away.

Offline misty

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #163 on: July 07, 2019, 11:35:01 PM »
So therefore that answers the earlier question about why the Police weren't looking for him in early May!

Why oh why if Mitchell wanted to pursue every feasible lead didn't he want to find Smithman? He wanted to trace Cooperman yet the episode of him on the beach following kids wasn't reported straight away.

It doesn't. The PJ didn't release any information about Tannerman either until 25th May 2007, the day before 3 of the Smiths flew to Portugal to make further statements. Smiths described a man wearing clothing very similar to Tannerman, carrying a young girl wearing pyjamas. Do you not think that if the PJ had released the description of Tannerman in the early hours of 4th May, the Smiths could have been prompted into immediate contact with the PJ?

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Is it true the PJ may have "Smithman" on video?
« Reply #164 on: July 08, 2019, 01:45:26 AM »
You will of course have a cite for Clarence wanting Smithman not to be found...?

He ignores the Smithman sighting for months at his Press Conferences. Yet displays to the public other "suspects" quite happily.